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Re: By Blood Ancestors
In Response To: Re: By Blood Ancestors ()

According to your 4th paragraph, you stated that the descendants today have no recourse under the current rules to prove they have blood. What is your definition of a collateral lineage? Apparently through the dead man's siblings?

My reply:
Collateral lineages are those through relatives not in the direct line of descent, ie siblings, aunts, uncles, in-laws, etc. Direct lineages are those from the mother, father, grandmother, grandfather etc.

Suppose the by blood man had children by his freedmen spouse and he is listed on the by blood roll. You stated if the dead man's parents had lived to enroll, then descendants can jump to them.

My reply:
If the by blood man was alive to enroll, all of his living descendants can enroll through him, that applies to all of the FCT. If he was dead and all of his direct ancestors were dead when the roll was made, then the descendants are outta luck, no matter what race the mother might be (only if they are trying to prove by blood enrollment rights).

Suppose the by blood man and his parents are listed as by bloods, can descendants of freedmen jump to the dead man's parents, and if so which nations would apply?

My reply:
If the by blood man is enrolled, all of his direct descendants can enroll through him. But his brothers and sisters children could not claim his blood because the relationship is collateral. However, if his parents were alive, all of their direct descendants could enroll through them.

There are some real tricky situations when it comes to proving by blood relationships. There are by bloods that are not acknowledging their freedmen relatives.

My reply:
This is true. Many Indian men did not acknowledge their mixed African children. And all of the FCT required a recognized marriage in order for the children to obtain any rights from their Indian father, no matter the race of the mother. This creates an unfortunate situation for those Freedmen of the FCT who have Indian blood from their master/fathers. Because slaves could not legally marry an Indian in all of the FCT, and the issue of such relationships were not recognized as citizens, but were instead, the property of the father, that child could not legally inherit rights from an unacknowledged father. That, of course, does not mean that some Indian men, who had mixed African children, did not love and care for them. Many instances are recorded where Indian men went to their tribal governments and pleaded for legal recognition for their children. The most noteworthy case I know is the relationship between Cherokee chief ShoeBoots and his black slave Doll. He petitioned the Cherokee Council to free his children and recognize them as citizens of the Cherokee Nation. The Council complied, but ordered him to have no more children by his slave. He did have more children though and they were never admitted to citizenship, even though the older siblings were citizens. You can read more about this interesting family by reading the book, "Ties That Bind," by Tiya Miles.

David Cornsilk

18 Dec 2002 :: 14 Nov 2008
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