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Re: JONES, HARGRAVE,LUCAS
In Response To: JONES, HARGRAVE,LUCAS ()

im not sure if this can help but maybe..just loo at the whoe thing ...lol...I have information on some hargroves in my family...if u look you will see that my gg grandmother was an hargrove ....

henrietta hargrove mother and father was belle hargrove brown and samuel brown...

Okay I looked up Julia and pauls marriage certificate....

both Paul and Julia was born and raised in Halifax......

Name and age , the date they were married on.....
Paul 21 and Julia Ann Johnson (not harris) 20......Aug 11 1867
( A.R Carrington was the person who married them off)

Name of Pauls parents (father, mother)
Mitcheal, Nelly ( no last names)
( I believe....there last name was Williams to start with because when Paul was married he married with the last name Williams in 1867)

Name of Julias parents (father, mother)
"unknown", Allice (no last name)
they had an blank in he fathers spot..she she may have been an Carrington.....i did not get a chance to look over the whole certificate...sorry I will try next time....
I am assuming Allice last name was Johnson because that was Julias name before marriage.....

I am researching the Indian lineage of our family line. We do not have much information.
I have the Harris, Williams, and Coleman of Halifax.....and i need more information..on where Julia A Harris (Williams) came from..it was said that her fathers name may be Samuel.....

1930 Halifax Co., Va Census - ED24 Roanoke Mag. Dist; 4 April, p.59A,
at 10, 14:
Williams, Paul; Laborer-County Road; m, Neg, 49, m30, Va, Va, Va.
(ditto), Henrietta; wife; f, Neg, 32, m27, Va, Va, Va.
(ditto), Claude H.; son, m, Neg, 21, Va.
(ditto), Maggie; dau, f, Neg, 15, Va.
(ditto), Woodrow; son, m, Neg, 12, Va.
(ditto), Grant S.; son, m, Neg, 3 + 9 months, Va.
(ditto), Swanee (?) L.; dau, f, Neg, 2 + 3 months, Va.

Next door at 11, 15:
Reid, Bell; Servant, Private Home; f, Neg, 38, W'd, m19; Va,Va,Va.
Williams, Julia A.; Mother; f, Neg, 80, W'd, m15; Va, Va, Va.

Both Bell and Julia are widowed (W'd); Bell was marr'd at 19 yrs old and Julia marr'd at 15 yrs old.
The "m30" for Paul and "m27" for Henrietta, are their ages when each first married.
(Their fathers and mothers were also born in Virginia.)

In 1930, Paul and Henrietta have been married about 5 years, Henrietta being married at 27 yrs old. Grant and Swanee would then be the children of Paul and Henrietta - the older children's mother is Joanna, per the 1920 census.

1920 Halifax Co., Va Census; ED98 Roanoke; 24 March; p.149A., at 68, --
Williams, P. J.; Farmer; m, B, 39, Va, Va, Va.
(ditto), Joanna; wife, f, B, 40, Va, Va, Va.
(ditto), Jessie; dau, f, B, 19, Va.
(ditto), Mary; dau, f, B, 16, Va.
(ditto), J. A. (?); son, m, B, 14, Va.
(ditto), Claude; son, m, B, 11, Va.
(ditto), Andrew; son, m, B, 8, Va.
(ditto), Maggie; dau, f, B, 5, Va.
(ditto), Woodrow; son, m, B, 2, Va.

1910 Halifax Co., Va Census; ED70 Roanoke Mag.Dist; 16 April, p.87B,
at 28, 29:
Williams, Paul J.; Railroad Lab'r; m, B, 30, m1, 9, Va, Va, Va.
(ditto), Joanah; wife, f, B, 30, m1, 9, 5/5, Va, Va, Va.
(ditto), Jesie D. (?); dau, f, B, 8, Va.
(ditto), Ellen M.; dau, f, B, 6, Va.
(ditto), James A.; son, m, B, 4, Va.
(ditto), Claud H.; son, m, B, 1, Va.
(ditto), Clive S.; son, m, B, 1, Va.

Looks like Claude and Clive were twins.
(Paul & Joanah have each been marr'd once and have been marr'd for 9 years. Joanah has had 5 children and 5 are still living.)

three doors further, at 31, 32:
Blackstock, Ellen; -- , f, B, 78, W'd, 6/0, Va, Va, Va.
(ditto), William H.; G-son, m, B, 21, Va, farmer.
(ditto), Millie J.; G-dau, f, B, 13, Va.
Williams, Paul H.; farmer, m, B, 62, m1, 43, Va, Va, Va.
(ditto), Julia A.; wife, f,MU, 61, m1, 43, 8/6, Va, Va, Va, laundress.
(ditto), Allen L.; son, m, MU, 30, Va. farmer.
(ditto), Walter (?) E.; son, m, MU, 18, Va, farm laborer.
Coleman, Ryal; G-son, m, MU, 21, Va, --hand, Railroad.
(ditto), Helen N.; G-dau, f, MU, 18, Va, laundress.
Williams, Byrd; G-son, m, B, 16, Va, farm laborer.

Between the 1880s and 1920s especially, anyone not obviously 'white' usually was listed as 'black' or 'negro' on census records, particularly in the south - census takers weren't anthropologists - so this is such a very subjective thing that you can't count on it being accurate.

The family states that Paul H Williams was originally a slave belonging to the Carringtons in Charlotte, VA and carried that name until he moved to Clover and worked for a man named Allen Williams, thus the Williams name.

His wife Julia Anne was also a slave of the same Carrington as Paul. She claimed to be Carrington's daughter, refusing to be acknowledged as a Williams prior to marriage. No one remembers the first name of the Carrington that owned the plantation. Through my research I have learned there were many Carringtons in Virginia and am having a hard time figuring out which one it could be.

I see the census recorded Paul H as Black. The family believes that Paul had Irish/Indian blood as well. It was always the explanation for the fair skin, occasional straight hair, green eyes and red hair in the family.

It is said that Julia was part Indian as well. Maybe from the Carrington side? But Blackfoot continues to be mentioned and it is said to come from Julia's side of the family.

Below are additional names of Paul and Julia's children.
Susan - b.1868
Belle - b.1870
Ailis - b.1873
Anne -b.1875
Paul James b. -1881
Allen - b.1884
Florence - b.1887
Walter - b.1891

Census record identification of race is very subjective and therefore "uncertain" at best.

In 1870 Halifax Co., Roanoke Twp, p.659A, Paul H., 21, and Julia Williams, 22, with daughter Susan, 2, lived next door to Rebecca Williams, 19, and the next house was Archer Williams, 31, and wife Cornelia, 25.
Three houses after Archer lived Benjamin Carrington, 65 and wife Lucinda, 55. The census taker's name was J.M. Carrington


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