alt: y'all listen to Bernice last nite?
Seventies: I didn't get to listen to Bernice's show last night, but was an interesting topic. Wish I could've listened and called in.
Daviss: Speaking of the show last night, I was about 10 minutes late but enjoyed the listen
Seventies: Of course, I had a story to tell, but missed the show.
alt: Bernice's guest presented some interesting case studies last nite and I was amazed at how vkn
alt: I too had a story for last night, but I posted it on the AfriGeneas Forum in reply to Bernice's notice for the show.
Seventies: The question goes out again, did anyone listen to the show Fathers of Conscience last night with bbenn?
AYWalton: yes,l I head it, and thought it was a good show!
alt: I did Seventies
vkn: The discussion was interesting Seventies
Seventies: It was good. and alt regarding that Ohio thing, recall I asked you about this with my Manumitted family in Alabama.
Seventies: You said something about it being like a clause in these types of wills manumitting the enslaved.
alt: not sure what you're saying I said Seventies (???)
Selma: I heard some of the show...kept losing the sound..
Seventies: My Alabama ancestors who were Manumitted by their master Baxter Smith had a clause in his will stating that if they could not be freed in Alabama that he wished them to go to Ohio or some other free state.
Seventies: You said at the time that many wills were like that.... remember?
alt: Seventies, in the cases of the Randolph & Gist slaves... they were 'freed' by a clause in the Will of John Randolph & Samuel Gist.
Seventies: About what year was this alt? The will by my supposed ancestor Baxter Smith was in 1827 and executed in 1829
alt: Seventies, and by the laws of VA and some other States they had to leave the slave state in which they were being freed within a specified lenght of time..... or be returned into slavery.
Seventies: We still believe that he was the father of my direct ancestor Harriet Smith as well as her brothers William and Theodrick.
alt: Gist was like around 1817 Randolph ca 1846.
Selma: Wills and deeds were the most common...although by Wills it is supposed the the heirs will honor the wishes and they didn't
Seventies: All three, Harriet, William and Theodrick are listed as mulattoes in the execution of the will.
alt: very true Selma .. Randolph died in 1833, the Will was contested and not settled until 1846.
Selma: Right alt
Seventies: The executor of the estate was a Lewis Tyus whom I presume also owned my cousins father's family at one time. They are also Tyus in surname.
vkn: Horace King was emancipated by owner in Alabama and in Ohio. Ohio was done as assurance Some Alabama jurists ruled that Citizens could not overrule State law and emancipate.
alt: vkn, the 'usual' practice was for a person to be freed/manumited in the slave state with the proper papers being filed .... And then when they entered a 'free' state they usually had to file papers (freedom registration papers) stating they were freed in/from the slave state and citing where the manumission papers in the slave state are/were filed.
Seventies: vkn, similar rules were passed in MS according to Bernice's guest last night. And don't forget they had to have a white sponsor as well.
Khathu: this is all new territory for me i haven't come across an ancestor freed before 1865 yet direct ancestors or otherwise
alt: my 3rd great-grandfather's manumission papers were filed in Shelby County, KY (1813) ... his freedom registration papers filed in Ohio (1816) state .. where and when he was freed.
Seventies: Keep looking Khathu... keep looking.
Khathu: looking for what?
Seventies: Your free peoples... :}
Khathu: i found them after 1865....
alt: Yes Seventies & vkn .. a slave owner could not just arbitrarily free any slaves.... they had to provide proof of 'support' for such an act by other free white persons in their community. of course this varied state by state.
Seventies: And as the years went forward, again it seemed as if the laws became stricter and stricter.
alt: the recent Isaac Hull posting on AfriGeneas is an interesting case.... the slave owner of Isaac freed him from slavery in MD in 1864 so Isaac could enlist in the USCT. and the slave owner received financial compensation for that freeing act.
Selma: There is a list in MD RG 105 of owners receiving compensation for the same
Selma: Hiatt gave a presenation on that at Samford..it was interesting, most did not get the compensation
alt: right Selma.. these guys knew they were probably gonna lose their slaves as contraband or whatever so they freed them and made money in the process... the wonders of Capitalism LOL LOL this happened in other border slave states, Kentucky also being an example.
Seventies: Selma, do you think that would be in M1907 for MS?
Selma: Yes, these were the slave states that stayed in the Union
Seventies: Oh well that answered my question.
Seventies: I wonder though if the slave states slaveowners still tried to apply for compensation.. I believe they did.
Selma: Knowing them they probably did..LOL..I find it best not to rule out anything
Selma: So you spend a little bit of time looking... figure it is worth the effort
alt: Isn't that the 'basis' of the Southern Claims Commission? compensating the Confederates for their losses incurred as a result of the CW.
Selma: Not slaves.. Not compensating them for slaves..
vkn: That is my understanding alt
Selma: I have the title of the record group at home... at my home computer
alt: I thought loss of property included slaves Selma...
alt: I be could wrong...