2012-10-28 Religion, Slaves, Slavery
vkn: Greetings on a stormy Sunday morning. I will/shall return at about a quarter to the hour of Noon
keli1: good morning, vkn and selma
Selma: Good morning keli1 and vkn Lots of rain in Tidewater keli..now is itin central VA
keli1: are you bracing for the storm Selma
Selma: Yep..batting down the hatches.. LOL
keli1: I hope all is less than they predict
Selma: Already flooding in some areas in Norfolk which ae prone to flooding
alt: hello ladies, keli1, Selma & vkn
keli1: good morning Art..
Selma: When they announced last night Busch Gardens was gonna be closed today..figured it would be bad Morning alt
keli1: geez sorry to hear that, well if you need to get out, you got a room here
Selma: I am not afraid of flooding...but live in an area with lots of trees...
keli1: thats good we are going to get rain and high winds
alt: I hope folks in the areas to be affected do the 'early voting' thing.
keli1: Art how are you doing? all with well....?
alt: yep, as weel as can be expected keli1, how bout you? coming down from the "high" of SLC?
keli1: I am hanging in there...and loved SLC, the access was really nice
alt: 3-4 ladies from our AAGGMV genealogy group were at the IBGS... had no idea they were even going said the didn't do much research, but really enjoyed the sessions and the networking.
keli1: there was so much to check out, the mormons are interesting
Selma: Interesting how?
keli1: I went to the museum and walked thru a lot of the history, it is also scary, they assume they are Israelites, I never made that connections I have nothing against any religion, but my goodness...
Selma: yes is interesting
keli1: they were very, very, welcoming and helpful to all, there is so much more than what we have access too via the website (familysearch.org).
alt: no doubt keli1, I use the familysearch.org Library Catalog to see what is available in my areas of research as much as I do their databases.
keli1: being free also is scary, lol vs. ancestry.com
Selma: Art..re: early voting..started yesterday in MD..some polling places were overwhelmed.
vkn: hello to all
alt: I hope those wer Obama voters Selma wb vkn
Selma: Their micorfilm collection is immense..I still order film at the FHC
vkn: thanx alt
Selma: Afternoon vkn
keli1: they are working to improve and offer more access, so look for changes
vkn: selma and keli1 howdy
Selma: Waiting for Seventies to come and give us a genealogy conference update that she was going to yesterday
keli1: but storing things in vaults in the mountains, geez....who else does that besides the federal government? lol
alt: right Selma.. there is so much more information on microfilm that is not on any of the website databases.
keli1: I wonder how Chicago went with Angela?
vkn: change is the name everywhere deannie said angela was grea, keli great
keli1: that's cool, I hope they had a great turnout!
alt: if one is up to the work now seems like a great time to venture out in the world of genealogy beyond the "hooby' phase. hooby=hobby
vkn: Alt a Dorothy Tuck posted her Embry great grandmother to PreciousPhotos
keli1: i agree, I have been going crazy on my mother's father's line, the DNA made great strides for me, but now have to take a break and switch to another side
alt: I see Debbie Abbott has 2-3 things scheduled each month thru OGS here in Ohio and now I see where she is venturing into Mich & KY for speaking engagments.
vkn: It is good to take a breather
keli1: Did I tell you all that Vicki Daviss and I have connections according to our DNA...now I will have to help look for Mariah...lol
Selma: Really.. Lol wow...how great
keli1: Art, yes I saw her schedule in Michigan, interesting
alt: is this thru ancestrDNA keli1?
keli1: actually we pulled up our gedmatch thingy and she was showing me how to use it and saw similiar names, etc..
vkn: Daviss has that DNA thing down pretty good
keli1: yes she does, I need to spend more time with her.
alt: have to look at Dorothy's photo vkn..... if it's an Embry, might be the same lady Laura (Woods) Embry that would be the same line as my children's Embry's.
vkn: that is the name alt
Selma: Will BRB
alt: okay vkn, thought so
vkn: so your kds connect with dorothy
alt: vkn, you probably don't remember Dorothy's cousin, Joyce Bess, from Springfield whom you met in the Talladega area about 10-12 years ago.
vkn: sort of remember
alt: Joyce was there in Alabama doing research thing and Dorothy has picked up on a lot of what Joyce did and is now expanding on it.
vkn: maybe 20 years ago
alt: that is probably right vkn... didn't want to make it that far back LOL LOL
vkn: I think we were trying to make the BELL connection I have a female double first Cousin who married an EMBRY
alt: I think I have an Embry photo on Precious Photos the Gabriel Lewsi Embry Family.
vkn: I have a female double first BELL Cousin who married an EMBRY
alt: is that right? and remember the Wilson fella who used AfriGeneas.. he was an Embry relative from Anniston.
vkn: Yes you do alt and you were trying at some point to help an EMBRY young lady who lived in Anniston
alt: a collateral Embry relative right, and I think she turned out to be doing some 'house work" for you.
keli1: where are the Embry's from Art?
vkn: Ahhhhhh John Wilson sill lives there A thorough researcher as I recall
alt: Calhoun & Talladega county, AL keli1 that's where they were toward the end of slavery and prior to migrating all over the place in the early 1900's.
vkn: Who was the enslaver alt or should I say how many were there
alt: an Embry.... Gabriel, I think vkn, now that is the area that Dorothy has done a very good job with ... connecting to the slave owning family.
vkn: Keli do you have Alabama research?
alt: she (Dorothy) has the Embry's coming out of NC into GA and then into AL.
vkn: Excellent. I think ske sent me her research at some point. Perhaps I best dust it off and chat with her
keli1: nope, not that I know of. TN, SC/NC, VA, WV, KY and the rest are all up the east coast, CT, PA, NY I met two people at the conference that both were researching Hinds MS so I hope they connect, I shared their emails..both had slaves in the family
alt: the Embry famlies were supposedly Quakers in NC and they split over the issue of slavery .. some going into TN and eventually Ohio as non-slaveholding Quakers and others taking the route of the slave holding Embry families.
vkn: my Benham is CT SC GA
alt: Selma, you still with us?
Selma: yes..still here on the phone
alt: oh, okay
keli1: CT is all white folks then they go to NY, but seem to all come from England, oh I forget the MA folks, the Plymouth folks...can't forget them
vkn: ahhhhh but were not all Quakers slaveholders at some point alt? at what point did the break come
Selma: Do you still remain a Quaker if they put you out
alt: the answer vkn, probably yes, but I think the main thrust for the Quakers was the non-slaveholding tenet causing the split.
keli1: I don't know nothing about Quakers, I am just learning about the Mayflower folks, I believe we were told about them in school, but that was a long time ago my butt forgot about all that stuff, lol...
Selma: Good book written the Mayflower..think that is the name a couple of years
alt: the William Penn Quakers of PA were of the non-slave holding group I think.... and that's why you see the slave holding Quakers leave PA for the South ... I think
keli1: I will have to get it, my mom's dad's line goes right up to the Alden's and Mullins Oh I finished Henry W.'s book, it was good, lots of chatter on it
Selma: I didn't make it Richmond for the book talk last week
alt: keli1, any word on the 'workshop' by the TJ heriatge association's program at UVA yesterday? they were meeting to denounce the TJ-Hemmings theory.
keli1: no, I didn't go, I haven't seen anything yet, I will see Henry in cville
alt: I'm hoping the workshop will be presented on C-Span at some time in the future.
keli1: they might of been there, they keep disputing it, but even more than the Hemming is the stuff in his book, geez, worst than I thought
alt: does the book get into the Jefferson-Randolph-St. Tucker connections which I find to be fabulous reading.
keli1: no not really, he references the Randolphs, but he really gets into the lying that Jefferson did, lol it was unreal there would not of been slavery in LA, if it was not for TJ
Selma: Were you really, really suprised keli.. Cause I ain't...
keli1: yes, I was, I get the slavery, the treatment, etc, but the lying, and decent, he was just bull sh*t
Selma: As most of those folks were
vkn: Any recent work from ed Ball?
keli1: I get the selling and splitting up families, but they have painted this man basically having a little compassion, he had NONE in my mind, none
alt: let's see LA became a territory in 1803 and during that period and later the trade-off for Statehood was that there had to be two States admitted to the Union after 1803 .. 1 had to be a slave state and 1 had to a free state.. so LA's statehood would fall into that category.
vkn: I liked the guy who was on the Bernice show on Island research
alt: and 1803 was under Jefferson's presidency
keli1: he used the system just for himself, which most did, just sad, he had the collars on his slaves, I had not heard or seen that in anything,
Selma: Remember when I did a posting on those records a number of years ago vkn.. I found them when I visited Archives 11 when it first opened
keli1: aparently there were 500 pages sort of set aside from his farm book, it was the slaves records, he recorded everything this is where the controvery will come from "missing pages"
Selma: Because other historians wanted to maintain the image...keli
vkn: Yes I do Selma
Selma: A professor from CA emailed me and said "where did you find that"..
alt: and most of it survived keli1, excpet the birth of Sally's children LOL LOL
keli1: that's for sure, but let's hope henry sells lots of books to get the word out
Selma: Are you on the VA History List keli?
keli1: so true henry, but someone came from France, visiting, and made a reference to so many youngin's looking like TJ, lol, they were hemmings. lol history list? from the historical society or library?
Selma: from LVA
keli1: I am on the list serv,
alt: was it de toucville (sp)?
Selma: Yes..the list serv..it has been silent on the book so far
keli1: yes I have not seen anything except the talk, lol
alt: anyone hearing from Vicky? how is she doing?
keli1: well I wish him more success, he did good on the hariston's and george washington
vkn: How is it trending Keli
keli1: she only posted a couple of things, the girl has had a lot to deal with lately in her family
alt: yes she has....
vkn: She is having her trials Alt
keli1: I dn't know vkn, I would love to see how the sales are going the write ups on the book are good reviews
alt: wish there was more we could do for her, but words of encouragement have to be of some help.
Selma: Folks..I have to run...have the little darlins.. Stay safe
alt: my time is up too ... time for some Football!!!! LOL