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2010-06-11*LunchBunchStart: 12:10:19
ProfessorDru: hello 3rd 3rdthawkins: hello Pro Dru ProfessorDru: Where is everybody today? 3rdthawkins: don't know wb Dru, I don't know where they are I wonder if they have a problem getting in ProfessorDru: I just found a marriage date online for my Uncle Andy B. 3rdthawkins: that's great ProfessorDru: It was through an online database on the website of the New York Public Library. 3rdthawkins: really? did you have to have a library card? ProfessorDru: no 3rdthawkins: hmmm, I'm going have to check there, I did before but thought a LC was required, I'm looking for marriage rec for my great grandparents what time period was it Dru? hello Seventies Seventies Soulchild: Good afternoon 3rd and ProfessorDru ProfessorDru: Here is the link, 3rd, http://www.italiangen.org/NYCMarriage.stm Seventies Soulchild: Got your update on facebook. glad everything went good with the seminar ProfessorDru: Hey Soulchile Seventies Soulchild: I hope that those pages helped. 3rdthawkins: oh, italiangen, yeah I've been there, found my gr gm in the death index, ordered her DC ProfessorDru: I was just telling 3rd that I just found the marriage date of my Uncle Andy B. Seventies Soulchild: ok the uncle who passed away in LI? I was browsing through a couple of sites this AM 3rdthawkins: NYC L directed you to that? ProfessorDru: yes, this was his first marriage. Now I plan to order the marriage license yes 3rd 3rdthawkins: as I said, that's where I found my gr gm in the death index but nothing for a marriage rec between her and my gr gf ProfessorDru: Many libraries have some records or indexes online. Seventies Soulchild: So he was married in NY, ProfessorDru ProfessorDru: Was that in NY, 3rd? 3rdthawkins: I think they did get marry in NY ProfessorDru: yes, Soulchile, May 28, 1924 3rdthawkins: 1930, the same year they appeared in the NY census for Jamaica on LI Seventies Soulchild: Jamaica, queens? 3rdthawkins: yes Seventies Soulchild: I'm on HQ looking for surnames in MS 3rdthawkins: well, it was a good find for you Pro Dru, hope I can find one for my gr gps hello Spivey Spivey: Good afternoon everyone. Seventies Soulchild: hi Spivey Spivey: Seventies Soulchild, you live in New York? Seventies Soulchild: Yes Spivey: Did you every hear about the War of 1812 cemetery in upstate New York? ProfessorDru: hello spivey Seventies Soulchild: No I hadn't heard of it. What city or county is it located in? Spivey: Hi ProfessorDru. Seventies Soulchild: heyyyy vicky! lol Spivey: Let me get the URL Seventies Soulchild. vicky: hello ProfessorDru: hello vicky vicky: overslept! Spivey: Hello, Miss vicky!! 3rdthawkins: hello vicky vicky: any research news bust wide open while I was sleeping :? Spivey: http://members.tripod.com/~wnyroots/index-1812.html 3rdthawkins: Pro Dru had some good news concerning her uncle Spivey: That's the URL Seventies Soulchild. Seventies Soulchild: um vicky how do retired folks 'oversleep'??? lol thanks Spivey 3rdthawkins: you get tired over and over again...hence RE-tired :} vicky: lol lol easy seventies easy! Spivey: I found the facts of the cemetery interesting, Seventies Soulchild. I think everyone will. Seventies Soulchild: No you said it like you had somewhere to go or something to do.. lol ProfessorDru: yes I found Uncle Andy B's marriage date online on the site of the New York Public Library Seventies Soulchild: Erie county is up near Ohio Spivey... way far West NY State vicky: heyy I got business sometimes Seventies Soulchild: I could get sassy here, but I'ma keep my mouth SHUT! lol vicky: thats great professorDru lol @ seventies Spivey: The fact I find interesting, Seventies Soulchild, is that of the 200 soldiers buried there only about 20 were from New York. Someone may find a lost ancestor's burial there. They were from about 5 different states. vicky: did you ever get up to the archives prof dru Seventies Soulchild: Right that's interesting indeed. 3rdthawkins: I'm wondering where in the world my great grandparents got married.......and this is staring to be a trend, cause I have the same problem with my great grandparents on my mother side ProfessorDru: not yet, vicky plan to go the week of June 21st. Seventies Soulchild: You know I think I saw this location, don't laugh, in a haunted places book. 3rdthawkins: staring-starting ProfessorDru: I gotta run now. Bye 3rdthawkins: bye Dru Seventies Soulchild: bye prof dru Spivey: The cemetery, Seventies Soulchild? Oh my goodness! 3rdthawkins: hello Selma Seventies Soulchild: Yes... a lot of those places are historical locations that people claim are haunted. A good side reference for those who are or may be looking. They keep good records at those locations about their histories. Selma: Good Friday Afternoon lunchbunchers Seventies Soulchild: Like the William Johnson house in Natchez is supposed to be haunted. vicky: have you all ever thought you were not alone or seen something wisk by you and there was no one there :? Seventies Soulchild: Nope.. vicky: hello Selma! 3rdthawkins: little tiny flying bugs, but nothing else Spivey: Hmmm. Maybe I should use sites like that, Seventies Soulchild. Have any URLs? vicky: but you saw those bugs 3rd lol lol Seventies Soulchild: Its been so long since I've been on those sites... let me see if I can bring one up. brb Selma: Vicky, where is alt today? Seventies Soulchild: http://www.prairieghosts.com/mosthaunted.html Now I did go to the Myrtles Plantation since its on the way to my grandfather's place about 4 yrs ago... Spivey: It is interesting to note that , of the 205 soldiers buried there, only 12 were from New York State. Others, infantrymen and artillerymen, were from New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Virginia North Carolina, Ohio, and Kentucky. vicky: no idea Selma.. This may be his going to the doctor check up day Spivey: Thanks, Seventies Soulchild. Seventies Soulchild: This one is better Spivey http://theshadowlands.net/places/ Spivey: Alt isn't here. Wonder if he would be interested in that 1812 graveyard site since he researches in Ohio. Seventies Soulchild: I wonder why they put the cemetery so far upstate though? Maybe the Brits were attacking from Canada All I know about the War of 1812 is that they burned down the White House, supposedly It was 'brick' but they had to rebuild and paint it white... lol Spivey: lol I didn't remember which war that was Seventies Soulchild. Seventies Soulchild: I think that's a load of crock Spivey: I didn't think it was brick, at least at the time it was burned down. Seventies Soulchild: Now I'm going to have to locate the 1812 vets buried near me. vicky: the rare photo that was found in NC was really intriguing. That one boy on the right sure resembles my Daviss/Davis folks Seventies Soulchild: ok. you read the article? Did you see the bill of sale? vicky: yes I did Seventies Soulchild: I thought that was interesting that he took the photo of the boys. . . maybe it was for some kind of insurance vicky: dunno even the tree in the background looked old Seventies Soulchild: Whoever that collector is does a h3ll of a job finding the artifacts. vicky: money talks seventies Seventies Soulchild: Well you have to find the stuff first ms vicky Spivey: Lots of slave owners took photos of their slaves, Seventies Soulchild. Maybe just because or, like you said, maybe for insurance purposes. Insurance doesn't sound likely though because I don't think photos would have been sufficient proof of ownership. vicky: people like that have there ways seventies. There are even underground places to acquire stolen artifacts, paintings etc not that that was the case here Seventies Soulchild: Yep... last year I was saying that Christie's and Sotheby's love to come to the Beverly (district) where my mom was raised looking for artifacts. vicky: look at Baker who has those wonderful pics of his ancestors Seventies Soulchild: it is one of the most rural locations in that part of MS But there are about 5 plantations within a 50 mile radius Not to include Natchez Who's Baker? vicky: He (Baker) sent me a pic of one that was given to him but was to late to put in his book Seventies Soulchild: ah okay ryan: Hi all Long time no speak, just stopping by to check on y'all Selma: Afternoon ryan Seventies Soulchild: Where are you in your research? ryan: kinda in a lull, summer is usually slower, I got full steam ahead fall winter 3rdthawkins: anymore slave research ryan? vicky: John Baker.. He wrote The Washingtons Of Wessingtons Spivey ryan: so, not much has changed since last time we talked 70's vicky: heyyy ryan 3rdthawkins: ok ryan ryan: hey vicky Seventies Soulchild: Yep I hear ya ryan. I'm busy thinking about vacay... lol 3rdthawkins: vicky would you know if John Baker could be a descendant of John Baker Scott? ryan: cool, going somewhere special 70's? Mississippi maybe vicky: ryan in your travels if you come across any Miss Zephyrs let me know no idea 3rd ryan: Zephrs, location ? Seventies Soulchild: I should, but I don't know... haven't gotten my airline tickets yet If I do it will truly be a last moment decision Sad right... lol ryan: plans to go elsewhere? vicky: all I know is Ms ryan lol Seventies Soulchild: My BFF hubby is in basra, Iraq soooo thinking about going on vacay with her to support her thru this tough time ryan: Ok Vicky, got it.. I will keep an eye out.. time frame? vicky: just like NC and Al, all I know is the states no counties Seventies Soulchild: oh yes... at WP ryan: np vicky (thats why we're here) vicky: oh ok, I was thinking H-Town indeed ryan ryan: have you checked the familysearch (pilot search) ? Seventies Soulchild: I should go to MS, huh? vicky: oh yeah, in fact thats is where I found my first Zepher. It seems my ggggrandfathers daughter Lydia married a Zepher/Zephyr the only reason I saw that was because my mother is names zepher and I was curious I was in total shock when I saw the name of her father and the informant was my grandfather ryan: There is a town called Zephyr in Copiah county vicky: I think this Lydia was the first child of my ggggrand because the mother's name was not inc She was born in 1851 or 2 so it was too early for a marrriage lic in Tx Seventies Soulchild: Alright... talk to you all later this weekend vicky: bye seventies ryan: later 70s 3rdthawkins: supposedly TX marr. go back to 1840 on the pilot site but not sure if it will include blacks/slaves I would love to see if there will be a marr rec for my grgrgr grandparents Ed and Rosetta Hughes they "married" in the 1860s ryan: Vicky, I'm sure you've seen these but its worth a shot http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#placeId=54&alivePlaceLoc1=Mississippi%2C%20United%20States&p=recordResults&surname=Zephyr&searchType=close 3rdthawkins: I wonder if familysearch will update TX marr. I would suspect so because the recs suppose to go up to 1973 and they barely have some for 1930s vicky: yes ryan, thats where I got the Lydia you see there she is my gggaunt ryan: ok.. (gotta catch up) vicky: I talked to someone on the phone who is a Minor and asked her if that Ella was in her line ryan: Clue - Isom is a very common surname name in my area around Marshall county The other clue, I know the white folks usually named their sons the surname of the mothers maiden name a lot so, Isom could have been the surname of his mother vicky: I am still trying to get a hit on them. ok thx ryan Marshall County and what was that other one ryan: another clue - Many of the folks from Marshall county, and north MS migrated to TX late 1800s 3rdthawkins: my step-grandfather's grandmother was Henrietta Isom, they lived in TN ryan: Copiah Excactly, Isom, near the MS border ? Selma: Gotta go folks..have a great day Spivey: I will see everyone later. 'Bye for now. 3rdthawkins: ryan, I am following similar clues with my Townsend, my great grandfather was Fed Townsend born in TX, but his father was born in MS.......they lived in Panola Co. TX......which was named after a County in MS, and I find a lot of Fed Townsend's in MS I said great grandfather , I meant great great grandfather I'm just trying to find a connection somehow ryan: Yes, Ms to Tx very common late 1800s 3rdthawkins: but my Townsend's disappear in 1870 ryan: Fayette county texas up to dallas a lot of the whites from Marshall county went, though many of my ancestors disappear then too 3rdthawkins: no Townsends in Panola Co TX in 1870 vicky: who do you have in Fayette ryan? ryan: The slaveowners of my GGgrandfather moved to Lagrange vicky: wow, who were they. I have Sims, and Pierce ryan: What happened there I think Fayette, TX was named after Fayette, TN because lots of the whites that settled in Lagrange, Faytte TX came from Fayette, TN vicky: and Jefferson Jeffersons from Tn ryan: Pennington was a name that went to Fayette Goodlett again, those were names of the white slave owners, I followed thier trackes lookin for my people vicky: awesome! 3rdthawkins: hello vee vicky: hello vee ryan: Hi vee vee: Howdy 2 all and to each 3rdthawkins: hello free vicky: my grandmother on my paternal side and her parents all from Lagrange freeaainnc: hi! vicky: hello there freeaainnc freeaainnc: hi vicky, ryan, vee ryan: really ? Wow.. vee: I see from the boards that peeps are having problems getting in here ryan: Hey Free.. Ok Vicky, question - is this the same line (or related) that the Zephr comes in ? freeaainnc: I did vee! turned out I was using an old link vee: Vicky is that LaGrange Texas ryan: Yes Lagrange Texas vicky: yes vee vee: freeaainnc ahhh thanx free now that gives me an answer vicky: they are all on my paternal side ryan not the same line my grandfather James Penn Daviss married Gertrude Sims ryan: Ok, Sims is another very common name from Marshall county check this out http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#placeId=1264247&alivePlaceLoc1=La%20Grange%2C%20Fayette%2C%20Texas%2C%20United%20States&p=recordResults&surname=pennington&searchType=close Martha, her grandfather owned my great great grandfather\ vicky: http://www.afrigeneas.com/preciousphotos/photo082.htm my grandmother Sallie and her 2nd husband John Lewis ryan: Martha was raised in Marshall county, MS and Migrated to Lagrange, TX with her husband Goodlett vicky: she was born a Jefferson vee I saw Lisa's post 3rdthawkins: I think Richard had a problem getting in to ryan: Nice Pic Vicky vicky: thx ryan I just found out the names of the two kids and the link to them about a year ago ryan: where did Sims come from Vicky? vicky: so was Pennington your Slave Owners name ryan 3rdthawkins: so you have Simms in your line also vicky? ryan: Yes, they owned my grgr grandfather vicky: not sure where they came from. May be Va 3rdthawkins: hmmm, my four older brothers are descendants of Simms, they were in VA/MD/DC area vicky: so many times the census will tell you Tx but you know its not the case freeaainnc: bye folks! 3rdthawkins: lots of Simms in the DMV vicky: There was a Price Sims and a fletcher Sims.. I think they are the same my grandmothers DC states her father was Price, and her sister's states Fletcher 3rdthawkins: perhaps Fletcher Price Simms could be the name? vicky: the sisters informant was her x hubby so he may have gotten it mixed up those are my thoughts 3rd or vice versa ryan: Vicky, here is Graves Pennington and Martha Pennington when they were children. They're dad died and left them slaves and other property. These 2 were born in Nashville, TN, but raised in Marshall County, TN.. Martha Married Goodlett, then Moved to Langrange, TX 1880. Graves, her brother followed later. http://www.onefast.org/tonyr/pennington/henry_pennington_presentation/index_files/Page334.htm 3rdthawkins: I would put it that way even if it's not, you know you have two different names ryan: see 468 section 3rdthawkins: one says James Payson the other William Payson, so I put James William Payson or William James Payson vicky: thanks ryan I put in my favorites and will look closely if you dont mind ryan: so my point is, the migration from Marshall county to Fayette, Tx hopefully that opens up some leads for you vicky: thank you, I hope so too ryan: Many of the blacks that left went toward Memphis, and Arkansas, others I assume followed the whites to TX 3rdthawkins: well, I"m gonna go, I'm browsing through Berkeley County Census records on the pilot hoping I come up with something on my Hawkins or Lums, gotta go finish ryan, do you know anything about the Lums in MS, I've seen a few there ryan: no Lums 3rdthawkins: ok ryan: Vicky, VKN gotta run.. please email me if you have any questions,, I will follow up on that Zephr too.. vicky: ryan you have been helpfu ryan: Hi VKN.. Later.. Y'all tryan515@sbcglobal.net vkn: Techie help? vicky: bye ryan vkn: bye for now vicky: bye vkn
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late 1800's to early 19's where is she living seventies thanks ryan, ya never know NY