2011-08-17 Migration • Lisa's Tool
3rdthawkins: You Look So Much Better When You Uh-Oh-Oh..... hello Arthur
alt: hello 3rdthawkins.. how are ya
3rdthawkins: doing good
alt: Arthur is fine too.
3rdthawkins: lol I grew up hearing so much about my uncle Arthur, so the name is so fixed in my mine, I am so glad I finally got to speak with him.....but I just hope the Arthur in chat doens't talk as much as my uncle, gosh!
alt: Arthur in chat has been told to shut up on a few occasions lol
3rdthawkins: my uncle, you can literally put the phone down, go do something, come back, pick up the phone, and he's still talking, and won't even know you left
alt: hmmmmm, that sounds like a couple of my friends.
3rdthawkins: but he's cool
alt: all you have to do is to add an occasional uh huh, or somepi'. you & sumpin'
3rdthawkins: yep, maybe record your stuff saying uh huh and just push play and put the phone down lol stuff-self hey Selma
alt: hello Selma, how are ya today?
Selma: Hi 3rd and alt.. Doing OK alt
alt: hearing anything from daviss? I'm missing her here in chat.
Selma: No haven't heard...I miss her too. I thought I saw that she posted something on one of the Forums the other day
alt: yep, I saw her posting,,, maybe she can post, but just can't get into the Chat Room. I've been reading about some very nice 'discoveries' folks are making in their research.... very encouraging for those with 'brickwalls'.
3rdthawkins: well, speaking of which, I connected my mother with her biological father's family, the Townsends over the weekend
alt: wonderful 3rdthawkins, I think vkn is researching the Townsend surname... not sure of locations & timeframes, but do know there is an Ohio connection with her folks.
3rdthawkins: sent a letter to my maternal grandfather's youngest sister (one of only two still living) two weeks ago, she called a niece of her's (my mother's 1st cousin) and had her call
Selma: Your mother never had any contact with this side of her family?
3rdthawkins: she also was able to connect with her half-siblings, two of them, still trying to get in contact with the others.........no Selma, never knew her dad nor any of her siblings
Selma: Well good job
alt: then this is an 'exceptional' find for you and your mother 3rdthawkins
alt: this will/can keep you busy as you hit 'snags' in your other research areas 3rdthawkins
3rdthawkins: it appears most of them didn't grow up with their dad either, the 1st cousin of my mom didn't grow up with her dad in her life either....seems the Townsend men were roamers hello vkn
alt: hello vkn.. how goes it in 'Lanta?
Selma: Afternoon vkn
vkn: Good afternoon peeps
alt: does anyone else get the newsletter from the Northern California Genealogy group?
Selma: Is that the one that Lisa Lee was the editor..if so..sometimes
3rdthawkins: hello 70 's
Selma: Afternoon seventies
Seventies Soulchild: hi vkn, alt, Selma and 3rd
alt: yes it is Selma.. they have a new editor, format and this latest issue had some very interesting articles. hello Seventies Soulchild, how are ya?
Seventies Soulchild: doing 'tolerable'
alt: that's good enough for me ....tolerable LOL
Seventies Soulchild: lol oh you know, I meant to ask Lisa Lee if it would be ok to use her conganuinuity chart video on my blog... ooh that was a finger twister... lol
alt: Selma, there was an article by a lady in Oakland that connects to Mrs. Lucas' Whitman folks from Prat Co., KS, later in Tacoma Wash and then in the Bay area.... I read her article and said wow!!!!!! Pratt co. Ks
3rdthawkins: hello bearnut2
Seventies Soulchild: hi bearnut2
alt: hello bearnut2... what's up?
vkn: Howdy bearnut & seventies
bearnut2: Hi 3rdthawkins Seventies Soulchild alt Selma vkn
Selma: Sometimes they send a newsletter to our organization PO box..when I get there I will check Hi Bearnut
3rdthawkins: let me ask you all a question....I know about the migration up north from the south, but anybody know what the move to California would be for?
Seventies Soulchild: MS, LA, TX
3rdthawkins: Mainly in the 40s, 50s, 70s,
alt: when 3rdthawkins?
Seventies Soulchild: Its still all part of the great migration... MS, LA, TX
Selma: Depends on time frame
3rdthawkins: oh, ok, thx 70s, just wondering, see a lot of that in my family, I mean, I know why the Jacksons went to California, just not sure why my family did lol
alt: 40's 50's & 60's a lot of it was for job opportunities, military assignments, etc.
Seventies Soulchild: Where did they settle? Oakland had jobs, unions, etc.
Selma: You might want to read the Warmth of Other Suns...she talks about all those migrations including CA
alt: I'm talking about the 1940's 50's & 60's
3rdthawkins: Alameda County, Kern County, Contra Costa Co., Los Angeles Co.,
bearnut2: I've been meaning to get that book! Thanks for the reminder Selma
Selma: It is wonderful bearnut...
Seventies Soulchild: Also Devil in Blue dress main character Easy Rawlins was from TX moved to LA after WWII I'm sure that it was based on some fact, the migration piece
alt: Alameda, Contra Costa are in the Bay area, LA and Kern are of course further south.
3rdthawkins: gotta read that book 70's, haven't read it since the 90s, my brother still has that book, I'm living with him now
Seventies Soulchild: I have been watching a few movies and the migration babies have really been documented quite a bit. In both fact and fiction. I think it was a great idea for vkn to suggest that we start a forum on it. We'd be able to share our stories.
alt: my latest 'thing' has been the migration to California in the 1850's 60's & 70's by some of my Adams & Reno ancestors.
Seventies Soulchild: Gold Rush era huh?
3rdthawkins: yeah, I'll look at the map again for exact locations of those places, and focus on that more
bearnut2: Most of my main line ancestors tended to stay put but I'm finding several collateral lines who moved north. The ones from TN tended to go to MO, IL, OH, or MI and the ones from FL went to NY and PA.
Seventies Soulchild: You mentioned that you had some people in OR & WA states, alt. I wonder if they came there for the same reasons.
alt: I guess Seventies Soulchild. although the made their money by being Barbers and Wagon Drivers.
Seventies Soulchild: I was watching secret passages and they were discussing Seattle and an underground city. They went into the history of the city being a U.S. stop for gold miners going to Alaska I thought that may have been a draw for your migrating family members. Seemed like there was quite a bit of business in that city during the late 1800's and early 1900's
alt: one interesting note is that one ancestor returned to Ohio in the 1860's by way of boat which went around the tip of South America and up to NY.
Seventies Soulchild: wouldn't taking an overland route been shorter and cheaper? Maybe he wasn't in a rush.. lol
alt: not sure Seventies Soulchild maybe cheaper but not necessarily faster. the wagon trains sometimes took 3 months or better. prior to the 1869 when the train routes were opened up
Seventies Soulchild: Interesting alt. I only have recent family who migrated to the West Coast. most of them went from MS to California.
3rdthawkins: I guess definitely researching the times they were living in is a must, I forget about the great depression
Seventies Soulchild: I don't think that there was a lot of permanent migration during the great depression. My great grandfather used to feed and temporarily house black migrants who were traveling through MS during those times.
3rdthawkins: I'm glad for the 1940 census coming out in less than a year and being online, I get to see exactly where they were and what they were doing right before migration, or during
Seventies Soulchild: Remember the great dust storms also affected the economy during the 1920's
3rdthawkins: hello yatah
vkn: Howdy Yatah
alt: here is a photocopy of a page from the 1861 Sacramento City Directory showing a 2nd great-grandfather as a Job Wagoner for the Golden Eagle Hotel in that city. http://tinyurl.com/3pneqyy
yatah: how is your family history as far ?
Selma: Hi Yatah
vkn: Thanx alt
Seventies Soulchild: nice alt. Hi yatah
yatah: when 1940 cenus come out ?
alt: Hello yatah
3rdthawkins: that's cool alt
Seventies Soulchild: vkn, you're here!
bearnut2: hi yatah
3rdthawkins: so yatah, any news about the death certificate or SSA??
Seventies Soulchild: alt, are all these adams yours?
vkn: I am here
Seventies Soulchild: Looking at Chas and Wm
alt: just Willam Adams, shown as "col" job wagon
Seventies Soulchild: ok
yatah: death certificate not arrive not i have wait 15 to 20 during business 3 rd '
Seventies Soulchild: nice bit of history.
3rdthawkins: you doing it via online yatah or by mail
yatah: i have wait next month or last of aug either on
alt: Listed twice as a 'porter & and as job wagon.
yatah: i doing online
Seventies Soulchild: Reminds me I need to harass the people over at Meharry.
3rdthawkins: ok, it should come....when did you order yatah?
yatah: july 29 th
vkn: Who are you seeking at Meharry Seventies
3rdthawkins: ok, wow......I'm not sure about PA, some places do take long to send it......SSA's only take two weeks if it's ordered online, about a month if it's by mail
Seventies Soulchild: My uncle Benj E. Washington. He received his medical degree from there. Looking for educational records, not sure if they have his degree on file.
yatah: yea it was
Seventies Soulchild: No, but I am tenacious. Also, working with these HBCUs can be tough.
yatah: i can order by mail it will fast >
vkn: In what year Seventies
Seventies Soulchild: between 1910 and 1915, not sure of the year.
yatah: i wish i mean
3rdthawkins: online is usually faster yatah, but you never know with some places
yatah: oh ok i got it
alt: yeah Seventies Soulchild, HBCU's are barely able to survive and educate their current students, funds are lacking for archival personnel and the retrieval of information for us genealogist/researchers.
Seventies Soulchild: right, I wish I had the cash to go and just travel for a month or so to these places. I definitely have the vacation time.
3rdthawkins: they get so much mail yatah, that it will take a little while even to get to your mail and process it and cash the check (they do that first to see if it's legit).......online, they already have your order information, so it doesn't take long to process it
vkn: Yes the budget is not there at Majority Black Institutions
alt: yep Seventies Soulchild, when we have the time we seldom have the monry and when we have the money we seldom have the time..... what a vicious cycle LOL
yatah: i hope i can get right information on that about parents lol
Seventies Soulchild: Truly it is... talk about keeping people down.
Selma: Vkn..did you get my email re: Franklin county VA and PA?
vkn: Well Morris Brown is about to get status back Yes Selma thanx
alt: that's good to hear vkn this latest issue of Ebony has a feature story on Fisk and it's financial troubles vkn.
vkn: A local church raised/donated $22,000 and that retired the pending debt Yes the Fisk situation is sooooooo sad
3rdthawkins: never knew they had problems when I was there *when*
vkn: I did not know there was an Ebony piece. Will get a copy today
Seventies Soulchild: I thought that was for Morris Brown? So it was for Fisk too?
vkn: Yes the 22 was/is Morris Brown
Seventies Soulchild: smh
alt: yepa, for only 22K, it would probably be 'pocket change' for an alumnus from a larger institution to give up that kind of money.
vkn: Fisk prob relates to a works of art
yatah: anyone you remember that you help my family history with davis and mintz ? last time
alt: it does vkn .. relate to the 'art' holdings.
3rdthawkins: I know Mt. Zion Baptist Church in Nashville, they themselves are trying to get out of debt, I wonder if they were helping Fisk? Bishop Walker does a lot for the community there
Seventies Soulchild: I know its chump change for where I'm at. I can tell you $22k is what they spend here on Supe's events
vkn: Thanx for info re article
yatah: anyone ?
Seventies Soulchild: No yatah... don't recall those lines
alt: yw vkn.... got help to keep you informed... you are communication central LOL
Selma: Have you found something new yatah?
vkn: Yatah daviss is having computer probs
Seventies Soulchild: Did you have anything you wanted to ask?
vkn: lol @ alt bearnut how goes it with you?
yatah: i got information from my grandma one of davis family has middle name elathlee
Seventies Soulchild: ok there are too many people buzzing around my desk. I'll talk to you all later. Have a good day.
alt: take care Seventies Soulchild
yatah: davis is have computer probs ?
vkn: yes yatah
yatah: oh where ?
Selma: vkn..who are you looking for in Franklin County VA...
vkn: Selma that is my Keeling - Nelson research area
Selma: Oh, OK
yatah: still work on davis and mintz
alt: and vkn 3rdthawkins mentioned Townsend in his research.. you are researching that surname also, right?
vkn: Yes TOWNSEND from VA NC KY SC GA FL AL and one group ended in OH alt
3rdthawkins: My Townsends were originally SC, then to MS during slavery, then went to TX, not sure when, but was there after slavery
bearnut2: vkn--sorry I was working on a spreadsheet. lol Things are a bit slow right now, I'm waiting to hear back from a cousin on how we are related
3rdthawkins: they don't show up in 1870
vkn: Much luck to you and cousin bearnut2
alt: and how many times removed, huh bearnut2 LOL LOL
bearnut2: thanks vkn--btw, this cousin was found using dna rather than traditional genealogy AND she's AA
3rdthawkins: hello Ingrid
bearnut2: alt lol lol As soon as she tells me exactly how she's related to my dad's 2nd cousin I'll let you know lol
alt: hello Ingrid_Doweary ,, how are ya?
vkn: ahhhhhhh so how goes the 23&Me bear
Ingrid_Doweary: Hey Alt, 3rd, Selma, Vkn and Bearnut2. I'm good how are you?
Selma: Hi Ingrid
bearnut2: Hi Ingrid_Doweary
vkn: Ingrid howdy
alt: doing well Ingrid_Doweary, thanks bearnut2, have you read my loooong DNA story in reply to Gail yet?
bearnut2: vkn its pretty exciting lately--I've suddenly gotten a lot of AA cousins but I know its not related to the AA Health Project so I'm expecting many more soon
Ingrid_Doweary: Sorry I missed Yatah and sorry I completely forgot about last evening's chatg session. Still trying to restore my laptop software.
vkn: I did an embed of Lisa's cousin loop on Talking
bearnut2: alt--did you write it yesterday? I do remember reading something by you yesterday
vkn: It is a neat tool
alt: no, just this morning bearnut2
bearnut2: ahh--no but I'm going to read it now! lol vkn I really like her cousin Loop! Thats a great way of explaining it
alt: yes, I think so too vkn ... as I said she's built a better mousetrap LOL
vkn: Indeed bear and alt
alt: well, Miss Daisy has some driving for me to do.. later's y'all
Selma: Bye alt
Ingrid_Doweary: Okay Cya Alt.
vkn: bye alt
Selma: Time for me to run too folks...have a great day
bearnut2: bye alt and Selma
vkn: a good day to all
Ingrid_Doweary: You do the same, Selma. Sounds like you have your work cut out for yor, bearnut2 .
bearnut2: yes, definitely! Ingrid_Doweary but I'm enjoying the ride! lol
Ingrid_Doweary: Indeed, enjoy the ride! lol
bearnut2: lol Funny thing is...although my parents have no dna in common they share several cousins! lol
vkn: Are there more 23 and me kits bearnut2
Ingrid_Doweary: Several distant cousins, bearnut2 ?
bearnut2: Ingrid_Doweary yeah most of them tend to be 4th cousin range for my dad and 5th cousin range for my mom vkn--to you mean in the AA Health project or for me personally?
vkn: for the project
bearnut2: I'm not sure whats left for the project. I know they sent out kit codes last week for a lot of folks but I'm not sure of how they chose the recipients I'm guessing it was random...
vkn: I see thanx
bearnut2: I was going to purchase several more kits for family but because I signed up 4 people for the study they gave me 4 free kits I signed up the 4 people that I had already bought kits for and tested
vkn: wonderful. Wondered how that worked
bearnut2: vkn definitely! lol
vkn: Laters Ingrid and bearnut
bearnut2: take care vkn guess I'd better go too... take care Ingrid_Doweary
Ingrid_Doweary: Take care bearnut2 Bye