jhonora: Morning statustray
statustray: hey there jhonora... sorry i didn't see your msg til just now... was in another window and watching the dvr too
jhonora: That's alright, we all multi-task while chatting.
statustray: so you doing alright today? oh and i like mma events, so i am also watching that ppv event from last night too... hehe any new developments for you in genealogy or reunions?
jhonora: Doing fine, one major development, I received a death cert. that gives me another generation on my paternal grandfather's side.
statustray: nice!! congratulations to you and the family ;-)
jhonora: Any new discoveries on your end?
statustray: a very similar thing, but instead of a death cert, i have a ss-5 for my great-great grandmother's maternal side that provided her maiden name and also her parents too!
jhonora: Really, the ss-5 is for which ancestor?
statustray: a ss-5 is a application for someone would use to apply for a social security card
jhonora: Was is for your g-g-grandmother?
statustray: yes, sure was
jhonora: Wow, when was she born?
statustray: she was born around 1888 or maybe a few years earlier - but in the mid to late 1880s let me grab it real quick and look to see what it says on the app
jhonora: Most of my g-g-generation was born in 1850s to 1870s. They died or were old when SS came out.
statustray: born 1888 and applied in 1938
jhonora: I just did some quick figuring, my oldest g-g-grandparent was born ca. 1840 Did it give you any info about her occupation at the time?
statustray: no, just the business name... and that's hard to make out... but life's good though because i didn't have that before... i'm ecstatic ;-)
jhonora: That is great!
statustray: yes i do feel good indeed... heh
jhonora: Where did your ancestor live?
jhonora: What part?
statustray: smith, jones, jasper, and covington counties
jhonora: Jasper county, near Rose Hill?
statustray: yes Rose Hill is in Jasper county
jhonora: My paternal grandmother lives in Rose Hill. My folks are from Shubuta/Waynesboro and have family in Pachuta.
statustray: small world indeed ;-) i have a few kinfolk over in Waynesboro... been there several times when i was a teenager while going back to MS to visit for the summer... but at the time i didn't know i had kinfolk there, and learned that later in life so, it's good to know who your kinfolk are, and where they are too... hehe... i've been to Shubuta before as well with one of my aunt's... she took me out there to show me different places/communities/towns
jhonora: Our family names are Nelson, Evans, and Brown. From across the state line in Choctaw Co., Alabama, I have DuBose, Turner, Ridgeway, Compton, Ezell.
statustray: my family names are Duck(s)worth, Knight, Jones, Key(e)s, Thomas, Broomfield and others I don't know much about the Jones family line though... that's one of my brick walls
jhonora: I think I asked before, do you have Ducksworth kin in N.O.? I know some Ducksworth/Duckworth from N.O. who originated in Ms.
statustray: yes i do have some family there in NO - who originated in MS
jhonora: They run Sassafras Restaurant out in eastern New Orleans.
statustray: Yeah i remember you telling me that... although i haven't been able to confirm/deny... whenever i talk with one of those family members... i always forget to ask... and to think i have it as one of my "to do's" ;(
jhonora: If I remember right, they are in St. Paul's Church parish.
statustray: hmmm... i didn't have that in my note.. i'll add that now.. thanks for telling me that... and also if you told me, i for sure didn't record that... my bad do you use/have microsoft office?
jhonora: I use word, powerpoint, excel...
statustray: oh ok... i have office 2007 and it has an app called OneNote... but I haven't really used it... it is supposed to be able to handle your notes and help you locate it after the fact.... etc, etc... I really need to dig down in that to assist me with keeping and organizing my notes also, i will be right back in 2 mins
jhonora: I have that too. I fiddled with it for a bit but never did learn all its functions or how to use it advantageously.
statustray: ok i'm back... yeah, that's exactly my issue as well... i do think it can help... but... i haven't gotten wise on good examples of its use Hi there Selma... how u doing?
jhonora: Morning Selma!
Selma: Good Sunday mornin everyone
Selma: \good morning alt
jhonora: Morning alt!
alt: hello jhonora, Selma & statustray
Selma: good morning Ingrid
Ingrid_Doweary: Hey alt, jhonora, Selma & statustray
alt: 'morning Ingrid_Doweary
jhonora: Morning Ingrid
Khathu: hello everyone
Ingrid_Doweary: Hey Statusray, I need to get familiar with my OneNote as well. Hey Khathu.
Selma: \Mornin Khathu
alt: before I forget.. just received a message fro Irita Canady, an AfriGeneas person & former chatter... her father is very serioulsy ill his condition is grave.
Ingrid_Doweary: Hey Selma, what's the name of the Black history library in Alexandria, VA? I'm sorry to hear that, Alt.
alt: I f anyone cares to send her a message of prayer her email is RitCan@comcast.net Selma, help me to reminf some of the 'older' chaterrs as they arrive on the conition of Irita's father.
statustray: Hi alt, Ingrid_Doweary, and Khathu. Good morning to you. Alt, thanks for that information on Irita.... i am going to drop her a email.
jhonora: Sorry to hear that, alt
Ingrid_Doweary: Thanks, Alt.
alt: that would be wonderful statustray
Selma: Sorry to hear that too alt..
alt: jhonora, You meet her in Ft. Wayne
jhonora: that's right, I remember well. From Ypsilanti.
alt: close.... Muskegon LOL
jhonora: Selma, are you familiar with Petersburg, Virginia?
Selma: I have been there..or I should say I have driven thru..does that count Dru can probably help you jhonora
alt: Hello Khathu, how are ya?
jhonora: Ok, I'll ask her when she's in. I was researching a Maria Good from near Petersburg.
Selma: What are you looking for Jhonora Who is Maria Good?
alt: what county is Petersburg jhonora?
Ingrid_Doweary: Thanks Selma. On Friday, I was trying to remember the name for an archives visitor from Chicago.
jhonora: Can't remember the county it used to be in, it's independent now, alt.
Selma: Petersburg is an independent city..near richmond which is also an independent city
Khathu: good but busy with work
alt: okay jhonora... I ask because there are many Good(e) family's located in this area from VA.
Khathu: genealogy has been put on hold for the time being
alt: get your priorities together Khathu LOL
Khathu: i did get a letter from the VA regarding the CW pension application i request
Selma: Wow..Khathu new job
jhonora: At the fpc museum here, they have three or four original documents related to her. She was a free woman who was brought by her owner from near Petersburg to New Orleans, was freed, affiliated with local free "american" black population, had her girls educated, bought property and died while girls were just teens.
Selma: Who was her owner. There is a book on FB women in Petersburg..
alt: ah so, that's interesting jhonora, taking someone South and then freeing them, cours I guess new Orleans would be an exception to that rule.
jhonora: I think Edward Barnett but could be another man, i'm searching for notes now.
Ingrid_Doweary: Interesting history lesson as usual, Jhonora. Good luck with the new job, Khathu.
Selma: Khathu what did they say about the CW pension record?
alt: I was reading on FPOC and found this interesting... in 1830-1840 census records there were more free blacks in MS than in Ohio....
Khathu: that it was not at the VA Administration but in Baltimore at the Federal Record Center.
Selma: Oh that interesting Khathu, what office or department in Baltimore? Oop
Khathu: So my request was forwarded there
Ingrid_Doweary: Hey Daviss
daviss: hello everyone!
jhonora: I could believe that alt, the closer we came to the war, the more the fanatics and folks who wanted satus quo sought to circumscribe freedom of free blacks.
alt: hello daviss... did Tyler run well?
Selma: Did they say what it was there..and not at VA Admin So how many FB's were in MS and how many in Ohio?
Ingrid_Doweary: While assisting an A-Am gentlemen at the NA on Friday, I was surprise to see a 1860 census record of a Black slave owner's family.
alt: at that time less than 2,000 in each State Selma,
Ingrid_Doweary: in MD.
daviss: sorry alt I was scrolling back
Selma: Mornin daviss
alt: okay daviss, take your time & catch up.
daviss: Tyler did well we don't change time alt
alt: good daviss, glad to hear that Oops, just caught that "no time change' LOL
Ingrid_Doweary: Hey ProfDru.
alt: hello ProfDru
Selma: Afternoon Dru
jhonora: Hey ProfDru
Selma: Afternoon vkn
Ingrid_Doweary: Hey Vkn.
jhonora: Hello vkn
statustray: Hey there ProfDru, daviss, and vkn
alt: and howdy, howdy to vkn.. hoe be's ya? LOL
ProfDru: hey gang
daviss: hello profdru and vkn
jhonora: ProfDru, are you familiar with Petersburg, Va.?
vkn: Heyyyyy alt daviss Ingrid jhonora khathu ProfDru Selma status :::whew::: yall be lookin good
Ingrid_Doweary: How are you, Vkn?
vkn: fair to partly cloudy ingrid lol
ProfDru: lol vkn
Ingrid_Doweary: lol sounds decent LOL
ProfDru: are you researching Petersburg, Jari?
jhonora: Yes, interesting in an eslaved woman from there, ProfDru.
ProfDru: ok what time period, Jari?
jhonora: She came to N. O., in the early 1830s I would guess. She was freed here in 1836. She died in 1853 at roughly 35/40.
daviss: vkn any luck with that new gen search engine besides what you had input over the years antone else have any luck with it anyone Mocavo search engine
alt: looked at it yesterday daviss
Ingrid_Doweary: I haven't really dived into it yet, Daviss.
ProfDru: Has anyone every looked at the confederate civil war service records?
alt: saw a lot of post to afrigeneas
Ingrid_Doweary: Still trying to find my place in the genealogy field.
alt: just a little ProfDru ..
daviss: thats what I saw also alt.. no I ProfDru
AYWalton: Good morning all.
ProfDru: I looked this morning at some of the white Pair slaveowners from Greensville County, VA where my ancestors were from. Records are different than that of the Union.
daviss: hello AYWalton!
Ingrid_Doweary: Hey AY good to see you!
vkn: not had a chance daviss
AYWalton: greetings alt, daviss, Ingrid_Doweary, jhonora,
ProfDru: one of the white pairs was woundeded, his brother was promoted during his military tenure.
jhonora: Hey AYWalton!
ProfDru: Angela in da house.
AYWalton: howdy khathu, ProfDru (in da house!), Ms. Selma, statustray
Selma: Afternoon AY
alt: Hello AYWalton
AYWalton: greetings, VKN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ingrid_Doweary: Got a question for you, AY.
AYWalton: sure Ingrid.
ProfDru: hoping military search of the white Pairs will give be some new info, especially on the father of these two soldiers.
alt: just got off the phone with Irita... she & family are doing well and prepared for anything that might happen.
AYWalton: have you done research on the county level, ProfDru on some of the white Pair? I am thinking of pre-Civil War records. how is Irita? Where is she and what is happening?
Ingrid_Doweary: Encountered a lady from Gaithersburg, MD. She needs to consult a genealogy society member about researching multiple branches of her ancestry. Who would you recommend from the Central aahgs chapter?
ProfDru: yes angela--I have numerous docs on this family.
alt: her father has taken a serious turn in health AYWalton
AYWalton: I would talk with Alice Harris, the president of the group. oh I am sorry to hear that, alt.
ProfDru: one Pair doc is a slave inventory which does not include my ancestors, but does included an alledged sibling of one of them.
alt: a notice of well wishes & prayers may be sent to RitCan@comcast.net
AYWalton: Ingrid, is the lady's family a MD family?
ProfDru: inventory was from January 1864.
Ingrid_Doweary: Is there contact information for Alice Harris, AY? The lady resides in Gaithersburg, but some of her family roots begin in Charleston, SC.
Selma: Whose inventory Dru?
alt: Ingrid_Doweary, would that be keli1's group?
Selma: Keli is in Central VA
ProfDru: Howell Pair, a slaveowner in Greensville County, VA
AYWalton: has she done any work herself, or is she just at a brick wall? If she just wants anyone, she can use the APG directory, online.
Ingrid_Doweary: I'm not family with any of the local MD aahgs groups right now. I've got a lot to learn.
ProfDru: Willis Pair was in the inventory and his descendants say they are kin to my grandfather Mack Pair.
Ingrid_Doweary: She has compiled notes from oral interviews and needs to actually conduct her own research of primary sources.
ProfDru: Another slave in the inventory, Allen Pair, migrated to Leavenworth, KS, after war and became a minister.
Selma: Did you tell her tocome to AFrigeneas Ingrid?
AYWalton: I wonder if she is actually closer to DC than Central MD. The red line runs from Shady Grove into downtown DC. She might benefit from a trip to the Archives as well.
alt: one thing I would reommend to her Ingrid_Doweary, is a good genealogy software package for her notes Ingrid_Doweary, if she isn't already using FTm, RM, Legacy, etc.
Ingrid_Doweary: Oh okay, AY, I'll give her a brochure. Right now I don't know for how long, her financial resources are limited and she doesn't have a home computer.
alt: oh, no computer is a bummer,
AYWalton: then I would also encourage her to make a trip to the Archives. She might even be there one day when you are there, volunteering.
Ingrid_Doweary: I offered to mail her some blank family group sheets and blank pedigree charts with a print out of the AfriGeneas Getting Started Tutorial.
alt: however that might be a plug for putting her 'notes' etc. on the Ancestry or some similar site that can be accessed from the Library computers.
ProfDru: alt, I was about to ask about Ancestry's family tree.
Ingrid_Doweary: Since coming to the DC archives is currently costly to her, I'm looking into some Montgomery County repositories she could get to.
AYWalton: encourage her to attend the Kensington LDS family history day coming up.
Selma: Her local library might have access to Ancestry Ingrid..has she checked?
alt: I don't recommend them ProfDru, especially as Public trees , where others have the ability to add/edit
AYWalton: or a local Gaithersburg LDS center.
ProfDru: ok alt
Ingrid_Doweary: People tend to have problems using Ancestry when they're not familiar with the navigational strategies.
alt: now that's a 'personal' opinion ProfDru... not to be taken as the 'gospel' LOL
AYWalton: well each site does bring a learning curve. But after a while one finds one's way around.
ProfDru: understood alt
Ingrid_Doweary: I did encourage to attend the 2-day Genealogy Fair at the Archives in APril.
alt: that's for sure Ingrid_Doweary, navagating ancestry's trees'
AYWalton: they also have somes classes at the Genealogy Fair at NARA.
Ingrid_Doweary: Navigating the search commands, navigating the databases period.
AYWalton: she has to invest her time there at some point.
vkn: Da gospel 'cording to alt lol
Ingrid_Doweary: I showed the schedule of workshops.
Selma: Sounds like the person needs to collect her notes, fill out a pedigree chart, by HAND......go to Ancestry and start doing the basics, looking for Census records
Ingrid_Doweary: That is for sure.
AYWalton: and living within an hour of the Archives will be time well spent.
alt: you know another invest for her to 'save' her information is in a 'flash drive' she can do her 'work' at the library and save it to the fd...
ProfDru: good advice selma
Ingrid_Doweary: This lady brought her written notes with her to the National Archives, but I had to explain to her the types of records she may encounter there. There were some vital records she needed to acquire from local repositories.
alt: it is then transporatble to any computer at any Library.
Khathu: have a great day everyone
AYWalton: and suggest that she get a good guide book.
ProfDru: does this lady know how to use a computer at all?
AYWalton: she Dee Parmer Woodtor's book and Tony Burrough's books are good.
alt: ah technology... wha type of cell phone does she have?
Ingrid_Doweary: Now that's a great idea. I will include these suggestions in my mailing to her-my one-time donation.
ProfDru: does she even have a cell phone? We assume so much these days.
alt: yes we do ProfDru LOL
Selma: What was she doing when you saw her at the Archives Ingrid
ProfDru: we don't ask do you have a cell phone phone--we ask what is your cell phone number? lol
Ingrid_Doweary: I'm not sure about her competency level for technology. She seems like a beginner with mounds of handwritten oral information from both sides of her family.
Selma: Like I said she needs to FILL out a PEDIGREE C CHART
vkn: true profdru and we ask what is your email addy etc
Selma: Lets start with the BASICS
ProfDru: does she have anyone in her family who can help with this--like a young person?
alt: her next best bet if not into computers/cell phones etc... is one of those carts we used to use to carry our genealogy materials to libraries.
ProfDru: RIGHT VKN agreed selma
Selma: I know it sounds very OLD SCHOOL, but I am telling you I still think it is the very best thing to start with..to organize your HEAD
alt: no doubt Selma.... get those handwritten notes on oral histories transferred to standard basic genealogy documents AC & FGS, etc.
Ingrid_Doweary: A staff member called my attention to her because she was being overwhelmed by what information the lady approached her with. I saw how that happened. I certainly screened her what info she has and where she had been researching. Clearly she needs to organize her information as well as her research with the collection of supporting documenatation. Selma you definitely hit the nail on the head! That was my thinking as well.
alt: AC. FGS, research log,
Selma: Fill out a Pedigree chart.. SHE is NUMBER ONE.. Then complete as much as she can.. Fill out Family Group sheets with what she knows..
ProfDru: these forms can be easily duplicated a filed in a notebook.
Selma: Personally I believ all of that should be in PENCIL..cause you know things aren't always the way you think they are going to be
vkn: It can all be overwhelming sometimes it helps to step back in time and recall "how I got started" and "how I got over" and remember the steps in between
alt: I think the young lady, Lisa Clark, who was in chat earlier this week is a classic exaample of having lots of data with NO organization.... if she would just stop and collect herself with what she already has many of her socalled brickwalls would tumble.
Ingrid_Doweary: Use research form-family group sheet, pedigree sheet, organize file folders of each family branch, attend genealogy workshops, talk with genealogists, shadow other research investigations and be prepared to research history.
Selma: Tell her that her ORAL HISTORY is a guide..but there will be times she has to go Where the RECORDS take her..
AYWalton: quite true. THAT is truly half of a brick wall strategy---organizing what you have.
Selma: and she needs to GO..and not try to make the RECORDS fit the ORAL history cause GRANDMA said it
Ingrid_Doweary: That's exactly what I kept telling her, Selma and will continue to express that.
Selma: (yes sometimes Grandma fibbed)... LOL, but don't tell her that
Ingrid_Doweary: Do worry, I still use my diplomacy skills.
Selma: Oh..and get a map..if you are mailing her something..send her Dollarhides census maps for SC
jhonora: I'm working with some people now who need to let go of oral history lol
AYWalton: and sometimes Grandma repeated something she heard while a child, and possibly mis-heard or misinterpreted because she was a child when she heard it.
Ingrid_Doweary: However, my 1st cousin who I helped inspire has begun a blog.
Selma: That's a HARD road jhonora
Ingrid_Doweary: I hear ya, Jhonora!
alt: vkn, from where/when we started... I have boxes & boxes of 'stuff' stored in the garage from those early days that I refuse to get rid of even tho' most of it has been placed on the computer in one form or another LOL
ProfDru: And sometime Granny changes her story. (I'm going through that now)
vkn: and so do I alt
jhonora: The thing is the truth is close to the story, but they are locked into those details 'mother' told them.
Ingrid_Doweary: I just get more security containers for my file boxes, Alt. :}
Selma: Hey from my perspective Dru..Granny can do what she wants.. LOL
Ingrid_Doweary: Amen, Selma.
statustray: yes, memory is a very funny thing.... hehe....
ProfDru: like some leather snow boots I inherited. Thought she said they were her mother's, now she's saying they were her sisters. lol
Ingrid_Doweary: Indeed it is Statusray.
ProfDru: Beside they are size 10, I believe they were her mother's. My aunt was tall and wore at least at 11 shoe. lol
statustray: yup, yup, yup.... ;-)
Ingrid_Doweary: LOL LOL OX
vkn: Playing the rumor game is a good example of how memory works
Ingrid_Doweary: Amen, Vkn!
jhonora: My great-aunt says her maternal grandmother was Cherokee one day and Blackfoot the next!
ProfDru: So everytime I've worn these boots, I think about my great grandmother until this last time when my Granny said they were her sister's boots. lol
Ingrid_Doweary: There it is, Jhonora!
AYWalton: oh my.....
ProfDru: I think my aunt may have actually purchased the boots for her mother. lol
Selma: Poor Dru...
vkn: jhonora and she may be differetiating maternal and paternal lol
Ingrid_Doweary: Ya cuttin up again!. LOL LOL LOL
ProfDru: I'm sticking with the story that boots belong to my great grandmother. lol
statustray: i hear that!
Selma: See thats how it all starts...
ProfDru: And that' the story I'm passing down. lol lol lol
Selma: LOL I think you should do a blog entry on my story of the Boots and I am sticking to IT
Ingrid_Doweary: Indeed, I Concur
alt: I remember my mother's mother when she was married to her last husband... she talked about him and my grandfather... I thought she had only been married twice.... genealogy has revealed she was married 4 times and was 7 years older than what she told me LOL LOL
ProfDru: that will be good, selma. I have picture of my wearing boots in deep snow. wow alt
Selma: Don't you love it..I told you genealogy is the Wikileaks of family history
ProfDru: me wearing right selma
AYWalton: I like that statement, Selma.
Selma: I think that would perfect Dru... You can use it AY..just give me Credit..I am collecting CREDITS for my BIO as of right NOW
ProfDru: lol selma
AYWalton: ProfDru who was wearing the boots? I think you lost a word.
statustray: *wow* welcome back daviss
vkn: lol selma wikileaks luv it
AYWalton: wb daviss
Ingrid_Doweary: wb Daviss
ProfDru: I wear boots when it snows really bad.
daviss: booted out as we were talking about boots
ProfDru: i'm sticking with story that they belonged to my great grandmother lol vicky
Selma: So for years Dru has been wearing these boots...thinking for her GGrandmother and her life inthese boots..
vkn: wikilooks bring wikileaks lol
AYWalton: ahhh ok. You have to write a blog post on them, Dru.
ProfDru: lol vkn
Selma: So now she has to change the image, change the time frame...
alt: wow ProfDru, thos emust be some 'sturdy' boots to be used by 3-4 generations.
ProfDru: my aunt died in 1986 and ggmother in 1982. boots are 100% leather with fur inside.
vkn: Same as those shoulders we stand on to search from alt. Mighty sturdy through all generations
alt: and youre' using them almost 30 years later WOW!!!
AYWalton: that is great!
Selma: they don't make things like they use too..thats for sure
ProfDru: yep, they come in handy with it snows real deep.
Ingrid_Doweary: I'm sure, ProfDru.
ProfDru: yes, I bought a pair of snow boots in the 1990s; they're long gone now.
alt: remarkable ProfDru, I hear ya vkn an dthank God for those shoulders from earlier generations.
AYWalton: Well folks I have to run. Have a great day everyone!
Ingrid_Doweary: Me, too got some writing to catch up on.
Selma: Well folks I have to take the little darlin's to the grocery store...see you all later
daviss: me three bye
Ingrid_Doweary: Have a great day!
ProfDru: me four
Selma: Have a great day
alt: vkn, you mnetioned Mocavo (sp) ..
statustray: take care everyone!!
vkn: yes alt have you tried it
alt: I did and it isn't quite ready for 'prime time' yet, but thsy said that what we see is just an initial offering.
vkn: have you tried it jhonora
jhonora: Not yet.
vkn: and it is powerful alt even in its infancy
alt: course that 'search box' needs some 'splaining vkn... oh yeah, it's gonna be a great tool no doubt vkn
vkn: on phone
alt: okay, gotta run Hoop time.. y'all take care
jhonora: Bye y'all