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Re: Creek Freedmen Descendants
In Response To: Re: Creek Freedmen Descendants ()

Big Mama Thornton –You Don’t move me no mo


On the topic of disrespect I have to say that passing judgment on people who have valid complaints about an organization that they have already made financial investment in is pretty darn disrespectful! The people have a right to voice their complaints about their own leadership or lack there of.

Many people joined that org and paid their dues after being told that the org would help them if they did so yet they've received no help what so ever. Ron claims to have made copies of ALL of the old series cards. If the org really cares, why aren't they making these documents easily accessible by the public? True, I suppose we could all drive to Texas to get them ourselves but Ron claims that we might not be aloud to see them if we go. He also claims that if you give him the names of your ancestors, he'll share with you what he's got. So far, all I've seen is him asking people who their ancestors are and after they tell him he'll say "Well that's my relative" or "That's my cousin" or "We have some of the same ancestors". I once brought a group of people too a meeting and he claimed to be related to each one! Of course they weren't told how exactly...just given some round about story that didn’t mean much to anyone. I’m sorry but when you claim to be a relative to someone, people are going to want proof! (especially when the documents that they have says otherwise)

It is true that people should do their own research but it is also true that the org is a bit misleading in saying what they will do for its members. Nearly 4 years from the first time I heard this, I've become a nonbeliever.

I hope to one day save up enough funds to go to Texas and copy the documents my self. When and if I do, I assure you, I won't be running around the state bragging about being the only person around with copies and claiming to keep them stored in a safe deposit box for safe keepings because we don't want the Nation to know about it. (that's b.s if i ever heard any) The Creek Nation knows those documents exist and keeping them from the public only helps hide the truth. It seems like if the org really wanted the truth to be told, they would publish the info...make it available to those who want to search the documents for their relatives. We could all visit the national archives to view the documents ourselves but isn't that a bit irresponsible? Wouldn't that lead to the destruction of valuable historical documents? The choices the org gives are A) Take Ron's word that we have blood quantum’s on the old series card and that he'll share this info ONE DAY or B)everyone can go handle and eventually destroy the originals.

On the subject of the Graham/Johnson case, it is true that the org currently makes it clear that the case will only effect a portion of freedmen descendants BUT it is also true that they used to present that case as a “freedmen” case in the meetings which did lead some donations and the recruitment of some members who may not have joined or made any donations had they have known the truth.

Now, they will probably get on here with a lame explanation for why things were done in certain ways but there is no excuse. I can’t speak for everyone here but I will say that I personally am not asking for a hand out but I do have one expectation: HONESTY! (especially when it comes to where I put my money)

There has been some misleading to organization members. They have the right to speak on it. Telling them to keep quiet is "disrespectful".

18 Dec 2002 :: 14 Nov 2008
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