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Start: 12:01:26
End: 13:49:25
Chatters: 3rdthawkins, alt, AYWalton, daviss, Ingrid_Doweary, Seventies Soulchild, Spivey, vkn

Spivey: Hi daviss! Hi Seventies Soulchild!

Seventies Soulchild: hello Spivey & daviss why so quiet?

Spivey: I just got here a minute ago and not a peep out of Davis yet! LOL.

daviss: hello seventies and spivey

Spivey: Ah, there she is. Hi again daviss!

Seventies Soulchild: I think daviss is just getting a cup of coffee... :}

daviss: I was in the other room looking at a dumb criminal piece on tv

Seventies Soulchild: lol

daviss: I did not have my sound on so I didnt year you come in lol year = hear

Seventies Soulchild: yes lol

Spivey: daviss, it is said that criminals are basically dumb. It's that and their thinking everyone is stupid that sometimes works in their favor. lol

Seventies Soulchild: Well what's new in the world of genealogy?

daviss: A guy went to rob a bank with a clear plastic bag over his head. lol He got to the counter and thats when he could not catch his breath lol lol

Spivey: ROTFL.

Seventies Soulchild: lmao that was an idiot move.

Spivey: Hi alt!

daviss: he had to tear the bag off and of course the camera got a got picture of his face

Seventies Soulchild: hello alt! missed you yesterday

alt: hello daviss, Spivey & Seventies Soulchild

daviss: good hello alt How's it going alt?

alt: Yeah Seventies Soulchild, had to take some money to the Casino.

Seventies Soulchild: The dummy doesn't read the instructions on the bags about not putting them over your head? lol he dserves to be on jail on GP alone! lol alt hope you all had a good time out there.

daviss: one of my favorite past times alt

Seventies Soulchild: I don't do casinos.

daviss: I love going

Seventies Soulchild: hello 3rd

Spivey: Hi 3rdthawkins!

daviss: how far do you have to travel alt?

3rdthawkins: hey alt daviss Seventies and Spivey

daviss: hello 3rd

Spivey: 3rdthawkins are you still looking for that link to the New York Public Library that has photos of street scenes?

alt: Indiana daviss, we don't have then in Ohio, yet... bout a 1 1/2 hour drive, went with a busload of 'old' folks. hello 3rdthawkins

3rdthawkins: no, I think I found it Spivey, they want 45 dollars for a pic of the house

daviss: oh thats not a bad drive alt. I have a 10 min drive in 3 directions and about a 20 min drive in one lol

3rdthawkins: either 40 or 45 as Seventies would say, Suck Suck Suck lol

Seventies Soulchild: did someone mention New York? lol lol lol

Spivey: Okay 3rdthawkins. I thought maybe you could copy and paste from this site. Did you find them at the New York Public Library site?

daviss: are you serious 3rd for a picture

3rdthawkins: yep Spivey, what link are you speaking of?

alt: we have an 'internet Cafe' bout 10 mins from our house daviss, but that's a computer screen gambling 'thingee' not like the 'real' action LOL

Seventies Soulchild: SMH yes that was for you alt

Spivey: The one you said you have 3rdthawkins.

alt: okay Seventies Soulchild

daviss: naw alt these are full blown casino's hotels, golf courses and all

3rdthawkins: I did not see any phots on there Spivey

Spivey: Okay 3rdthawkins.

3rdthawkins: none of relevance to me

daviss: do they have to research first 3rd to find the house Is that the reason its so high

3rdthawkins: I forget why, I think you have to know exact location or something, if you don't, it cost that much, Im not sure if they have to find the house or they already have it

daviss: I see

3rdthawkins: if I had the money I would have ordered

Seventies Soulchild: Two things NYers don't play with: time and money Sorry about your troubles 3rd

3rdthawkins: that's cool, 70s, thx though

daviss: I thought a twenty dollar search fee was high lol in tx

3rdthawkins: I need to save up for my gm's BC

Seventies Soulchild: Does anyone else have any new information about their research or general information?

3rdthawkins: baptism records

daviss: how much is that 3rd

3rdthawkins: I have them for my grandfather and his siblings

Seventies Soulchild: I saw a trailer for a new video coming out about Afro-latinos about their history and culture.

daviss: Is that another SC record

3rdthawkins: gives baptism names and dobs, even notes on the side, one in which gave the marriage date for my grandparents and where my grandfather was daviss I have to order my gm's BC from NY, it's gonna cost me though

daviss: that should be interestiong seventies

3rdthawkins: hello vkn

vkn: Mawnin dis mawnin

alt: hello vkn

Seventies Soulchild: It sounds like it daviss... hello vkn

Spivey: Seventies Soulchild I found family members enumerated twice on the 1880 Federal Census within a 2 week period. The households had shifted some.

3rdthawkins: I would encourage people to check catholic and school records, pretty good info they could contain

daviss: If a picture of a house cost that much 3rd I shutter to think what a BC would cost

3rdthawkins: not as much though, daviss

Seventies Soulchild: interesting Spivey.

3rdthawkins: thank goodness

daviss: I have found that also in my Tx research Spivey

Spivey: Now I'm looking to see if I can find reference to a fire, flood or other disaster that made them break apart and reconfigure daviss and Seventies Soulchild.

daviss: They move from one plantation to another

3rdthawkins: yep, my family also in TX 1870 and 1920

daviss: especially during different seasons for crops

Seventies Soulchild: daviss have you seen people added to a household?But then go missing the following census? I'm talking about minors

Spivey: Perhaps that's the answer daviss. I have to check it out. How dee vkn!

Seventies Soulchild: that confuses me when looking over census records trying to correlate familes in different census years.

daviss: you can clean out a field in no time and move on to another

alt: since I received the religious information on a grt=grt= grandfather h I have been reviewing religious documentation I 've collected in my research dating back to the early 1800's up to 1910... very interesting are of research... religion.

Seventies Soulchild: Here is the trailer:

daviss: remember minors were not exempt from working the fields either

vkn: Counted more than once? Remember that the Enumerator for the early years was paid by the EACH household and some of the enumerators were found to have fudged a bit to collect more EACHes

daviss: they may be with parents one min and grands another

3rdthawkins: I'm trying to see if there are any school photos of my grandfather

daviss: I have even seen a minor in the home of a white landowner as a servant and the parents a couple pages over

vkn: Alt I read your post re religious related findings and agree that it is a great source

3rdthawkins: and his siblings

alt: exactly daviss, my mother is counted twice.. once with her parents and then with her grandpapareants

daviss: as young as 8 yrs old Spivey

Seventies Soulchild: Ah before I get going, I found Canada (Candy/Kendy) Galmore in 1900 with a house full of kids and a couple of grands Can't get that birth year pinned down though.

daviss: hello vkn! :)

Seventies Soulchild: Would it be plausible for the enumerator to confusee 55 with 65?

vkn: Mawnin

alt: 55/65 as ages?

Seventies Soulchild: as birth years? because mostly everything else matches including the names of the children.

daviss: right alt.. thats how I learned the name of my 4th grandmother alt

3rdthawkins: that's interesting daviss, I wish that was so with my Sanders family. Thomas Sanders in 1880 in the home of a white Garety family (Garety is said to be a slaveowner) I think this is my great great grandfather. No sign of his family nearby

Spivey: vkn, these were two separate enumeration districts, 61 and 64, probably close to each other. daviss I found a 9 year old who was attending school and working as a farm laborer.

daviss: my uncle Morton was in the household and also in his parents household

alt: birth year on census record.. only the 1900 census records birth mon/year as I recall Seventies Soulchild

3rdthawkins: he was 7 years old, mulatto, a Frank Sanders also in the home but that name never came up again,

daviss: I think the grands may have been babysitting

Seventies Soulchild: ah okay

alt: on the two enumerations.. what are the dates and is it the same enumerator within the same ED?

daviss: and living with them at the time was Lucy the mother of Elizabeth

vkn: The current issues of has a great census how2 by Emily Croom. I would recommend it

Spivey: That occurred with several of my KELSEY ancestors too, daviss. They were enumerated twice on the 1930 census because they were gathered by their mother's bedside and because they were also enumerated at the place where their spouses and children lived.

daviss: yes alt they were both in april with different dates

Seventies Soulchild: brb

alt: that sounds reasonable daviss .. a few days aart and relatives living in the same ED. aart=apart

daviss: yep for sure alt that was my Dickerson line alt

3rdthawkins: I have simliar to that in 1930, my mother's uncle was living with his aunt and cousin. But also enumerated in the house of his mother, his stepfather and sister. But they were in two different towns

alt: in my mother's case she was enumerated in two different cities/towns

daviss: wow alt, what was the distance

alt: Sidney, Oh with her parenst and Piqua, Oh with her grdparents about 15 miles apart daviss and in neighboring counties

3rdthawkins: oh, counties? wow I could see if it was like Texarkana, which is one city but part of it is in Arkansas (Miller Co) and the other part in Texas (Bowie Co)

daviss: and of course alt if they were working they travelled those distances you go where the work is

3rdthawkins: not everyone lived where they worked, and again, some may have been found living somewhere closer to their job

daviss: speaking of the census, The Hendersons live righ next to my Taylors and on the same side of the street

3rdthawkins: I think that's why my great great grandfather's half brother was enumerated separate from his wife and kids, he worked in Charleston but lived in Berkeley Co.

daviss: however on the census they are several pages over

3rdthawkins: they were both listed as widowed, but were living together in 1920

daviss: When I went to Marshall I saw why that may have happened

alt: yes and 1920 was immediately following WW I and my grandfather was a WW I vet so his wife, my grdmother lived with her parents while he was overseas in 1919.. and in 1920 they were just settling in their own home in Sidney, OH vs Piqua, OH.

3rdthawkins: that's why it's a good think to research other areas of their lives and to take in account other events going on at the time

daviss: The way the road is made the Hendersons lived in the front and about a half block down is Joe Taylor Road and it runs up the side

alt: exactly 3rdthawkins, my mantra on getting beyond vitals , birth, amrriage & Death records.

daviss: I think the enumerator went down the front and kept going about a mile or so and doubled back

alt: yes davis,,, if you look at the street names & house numbers on the edges of census records you can see plainly that's what the enumerators did as the 'canvassed' the neighborhoods

daviss: I was surprised to see the road named for my greatgrandfather

3rdthawkins: :? so I'm not the only one here? why is my name the only one showing?

daviss: I see all the names 3rd

3rdthawkins: I just got knocked out, and came back in, thought everybody else got knocked out also

vkn: No comprendez 3rd

3rdthawkins: me either vkn

vkn: No comprendez 3rd the situation you are describing

3rdthawkins: I was typing and suddenly was kicked out, then I logged back in and there's only my name I see, then after a little while, I see alt and daviss on the chat screen, but I don't see ANY names other than mine in the chatters box

alt: I did that once 3rdthawkins, but I came back in the wrong room LOL

3rdthawkins: weird lol hello Ingrid, I see Ingrid's name

Ingrid_Doweary: Hey Alt, Daviss, Seventies, Spivey and Vkn.

alt: hello Ingrid

3rdthawkins: hold on, let me log back out

vkn: Mawnin Ingrid

daviss: In 1930 alt the enumerator was a relative of mine who knew all the folks in the area he enumerated

3rdthawkins: ok, that's better

Spivey: Hi Ingrid_Doweary! 3rdthawkins I went to the Queens Borough Public Library and got a brochure that lists their holdings. You can check which telephone directories, vital records and other holdings they have at

3rdthawkins: ok Spivey

alt: is that right daviss... I've only seem a few enumerators that I knew to be 'person of color"

3rdthawkins: I was saying alt and daviss, in Charleston, there are a lot of A's, B's and halves, as in 14B Addison St., 11 1/2 Simons/Simmons St., etc.

Ingrid_Doweary: I'm in and out. Our open computer lab is full of library patrons.

3rdthawkins: I think this may be the back of a house or a duplex

daviss: There are two in Marshall alt and I am related to both

alt: is that right daviss was this for more than one census year daviss?

daviss: I know its 1930 alt . Howard Lester is the son of Eliza Burks Lester

3rdthawkins: Spivey, I did email a lady in Queens County, one of the "bigwigs" I guess you can say, but never got a reply about the address I am looking for the ED in 1930

alt: vkn, those article on 'what is in the census' and some of the hidden gems are realyy worth reading, lots of good stuff comes to light on interpeting census records

3rdthawkins: at least in Texas I got a reply, gosh

vkn: absolutely true alt

daviss: I need to check for 1920

Spivey: 3rdthawkins that may depend on who this 'bigwig' was in Queens. Was she a part of the library system there or a city council leader, borough leader, or what? If you contacted a person at the city or borough level I don't believe you would get a response.

Ingrid_Doweary: Did I miss Seventies?

3rdthawkins: either a council or borough leader Spivey

Spivey: That explains why you didn't get an answer 3rdthawkins.

3rdthawkins: so who to email Spivey, you live there, tell me ;)

alt: vkn, just uploaded a new GEDCOM to my Tribal Pages website with my latest updates & additions, will now have information on 21,864 folks on ths site.

vkn: whoa whoa whoa alt pump your brakes lol

Spivey: Did you go to that site I just gave you 3rdthawkins for the Queens Borough Public Library? They may have an e-mail contact address there.

alt: naw vkn, full speed ahead LOL

3rdthawkins: ok, yeah I'm there now, I'll check that

vkn: lol lol lol daviss and Ingrid did you get the vensus doc

AYWalton: Good afternoon, all.

Spivey: Hi AYWalton!

Ingrid_Doweary: Hey AY.

vkn: all rested ayw

AYWalton: Hello 3rd, alt, daviss, Ingrid, Spivey.

alt: and about to go over the 1,000 photo limit vkn, guess I'll have to upgrade again to add more photos

AYWalton: sorry to be so late!

daviss: hello AYWalton!

AYWalton: been busy.

alt: hello AYWalton

AYWalton: howdy daviss! Hope all is well.

3rdthawkins: hello AY

vkn: Now alt when you upped the new gedcom does it wipe out the old?

alt: have y'all been following Geder's discussion on genealogy package software capabilities?

Ingrid_Doweary: I saw your Religous topic post, Alt. Thanks for the input. I have added the Church of God In Christ (COGIC) denomination in my research project for the Scott Clan of Ouachita County, Arkansas.

alt: yes vkn, it 'overlays' the old GEDCOM info with the new GEDCOM, but that's all it touches

vkn: I see thanx

alt: good Ingrid_Doweary, there is a lot of good genealogy in reseaching your family's religious documents/background

Ingrid_Doweary: No Vkn, but it's on my to do list. So much a gigantic ocean of reading material.

AYWalton: what communities in Ouachita County, Ingrid?

Ingrid_Doweary: For sure, Alt. I agree. Camden city and I should add Dallas County as well for Dry Run Township.

alt: that county in Arkansas Ingrid_Doweary, do you happen to have Tatum's included in your research?

daviss: alt, the census is 1910

AYWalton: Next time you travel to ARK, remember to stop in Murpheesboro and dig for diamonds!

alt: okay davis, and you have 2 enumerators that are family for that census year?

Ingrid_Doweary: Tatum isn't in my research, but the Arkansas counties I'm exploring are, Ouachita, Columbia, Dallas, and Lee.

alt: okay Ingrid_Doweary, a member of our Gen groupis a Tatum descendant.. this is the family of Goose Tatum who was with the Harlem Globetrotters for many years.

Ingrid_Doweary: Oh yeah, which county is the Tatum descendant affiliated with?

alt: Ouachita and another county that escapes me at the moment Ingrid_Doweary

Ingrid_Doweary: Will this link help you any, Alt?

alt: okay Ingrid_Doweary. I believe it is Dallas County. is there a lot of 'timber' land in that area?

AYWalton: well, I just popped in for a few. I have to run folks, company coming. Have a wonderful day!

Ingrid_Doweary: Yes, Fordyce is the county seat, but Dry Run was a township in the 1930s.

alt: okay Ingrid_Doweary, thanks

Ingrid_Doweary: yw Any new developments, Spivey? Either my computer is frozen or folks are multitasking.

3rdthawkins: oops, sorry Ingrid

Spivey: Kind of Ingrid_Doweary. I think I found out where some of my ancestors may have been during the Civil War. I have a Freedman's Bank Card for one who says she lived in Savannah since Sherman came. I had previously heard that Sherman's troops burned the town of Millen to the ground.

alt: I'm waiting to hear wha tothers have to say Ingrid_Doweary

daviss: you know its mt'ing

Ingrid_Doweary: cool. That's good news Spivey.

Spivey: I'm not multitasking, just wanted to find a copy of that record so I could respond to Ingrid_Doweary.

3rdthawkins: I'm trying in contact with a few places concerning my research had to respond to a lady who could not find my grandfather listed in the staff directory for the job he worked for

Ingrid_Doweary: Are you archiving the records that you find, Spivey? I understand, 3rd.

Spivey: That opens a whole new avenue of research for me Ingrid_Doweary. I didn't know until yesterday that the FamilySearch site now has Freedmen's Bank records.

alt: Ingrid_Doweary, are you familiar wit the Picton Press and the publication The Genealogist .. from the The American Society of Genealogists/

Spivey: How would you suggest I do that Ingrid_Doweary? I haven't been much good at recordkeeping in the past.

daviss: I see that you are moving right along Spivey for about two weeks now

Ingrid_Doweary: Oh I'm sorry you are just finding that out. The National Archives and have the Freedman's Bank deposit records as well. No, Alt so that means I need to get on board and acquire the publication.

daviss: yes Spivey I found my Seaborn Burke several yrs ago in the bank records

Spivey: I am daviss, thanks to FamilySearch. The difference with FamilySearch, Ingrid is that the records for an individual are right together. Not like with Ancestry where I have to move from one database to another.

alt: is a genealogy organization tha thas been in business since 1940 and their publication has excellent articles covering many areas of gen research.

daviss: Seaborn is my Ga connect Spivey

Ingrid_Doweary: I understand Spivey. I recommend that the you save the documents as image files-jpeg in a folder you could create and label Artifacts.

alt: great sugesstion Ingrid_Doweary .. image files as jpeg for documents.

Spivey: Seaborn is a name that is not in my database daviss, but I think it is mentioned in connection with the Burks somewhere and that is on my website I believe.

Ingrid_Doweary: ...Label the folder as "Artifacts". That way you could include file information in an inventory. Thanks Alt.

alt: I have label several albums on my TP site with jpeg images

Spivey: I am scanning them all Ingrid_Doweary and putting them in the file for the individual I have in my genealogy program. As well, and this is new for me, I'm beginning to keep paper copies.

daviss: yes Spivey Burks should be in your database especially hearing that some of the slaves of the Spivey and Burks may have a connect

Ingrid_Doweary: Because so many surnames are part of my many research projects, I created an inventory of Surnames. I hear ya, Spivey. A cousin gave me an idea for creating binders for research projects.

Spivey: I don't have any there daviss because I haven't made a connection with the Burks surname [yet]. I don't have room for maintaining binders Ingrid_Doweary unless I use part of my [get this, NEW] filing cabinet. lol I am becoming very organized lately. I must have been bitten by the genealogy bug.

daviss: alt what is the limit on names in TP

Ingrid_Doweary: Good job, Alt. Spivey, you can use filing cabinets or open book shelves. The later is probably more effective.

alt: Spivey. jpeg's are great for storage and you don't have to handle the originals.. I currently have 781 images of docs & other photos on my site... one place easily accesible

Spivey: Uh, I am a reader Ingrid_Doweary and my book shelves are full. So, if I place them all in a separate folder alt, I would be able to access them using a web hosting service like Tribal Pages?

Ingrid_Doweary: Okay. Just a thought.

alt: daviss, no limit that I know of for sunames on TP.. a least no limit that we'll reach.. maybe 99,.999 or some figure like that I would think so Spivey

Spivey: alt, I wonder if I could individualize the folders for a particular individual on Tribal Pages and place the census records, birth records, etc. in a separate folder for that individual?

alt: I thought I saw where one person had over 100,000 folks in their TP database, don't know how many surnames that might equate to daviss did yo look at my link with the Albums named Spivey?

Spivey: I must have missed that alt.

alt: you can 'organize' your folders as you wish Spivey

daviss: sheesh, alt he must have the whole state in his lol

Ingrid_Doweary: lol

daviss: I need to get busy and add what few names I have to my Leafshaker site

alt: daviss, I was trying to keep it under 1,000 photos but now I'm gonna bite the bullet and upgrade where there is 'no limit' to the photos one can have on their site.

daviss: that will be the best way alt I think. what is the total cost for that

Spivey: Thanks alt. I'm still waiting for you to add Bura ADAMS to your list. He married my maternal great aunt Wilhemina Kelsey.

alt: not sure, but under 50.00 per year, along with all of the additional features which will then have the 'no limit' criteria He WILLl be added Spivey, if I ever find a connection LOL

daviss: I split up my families on two different sites but if its cost effecive to combine I will put combine lol

Spivey: alt and daviss, is Tribal Pages a free site that is upgradeable or is it a fee-based site only?

daviss: its free for up to 50 pics

alt: Spivey

daviss: 50 dollars is not bad at all alt

Spivey: Thanks alt. I'll check that out. I'm hesitant to switch, though, because of what happened to Yahoo!s Geocities alt and daviss.

alt: daviss, from their introductory page daviss I see several sites with over 50,000 individuals

daviss: I split mine up in hopes I would get relatives to contribute but it looks like I am the lone wolf its rather disheartning but thats the way of the world

Spivey: I hear that daviss. What was the name of that site from years ago where you could share like that? They, also, eventually went to a fee-based service.

Ingrid_Doweary: I can appreciate that, Daviss

alt: daviss, one site.. cost effective it may not be, but from a management point it is the only way to go.

Spivey: Was it My Family?

3rdthawkins: oh yeah, Spivey, MyFamily, I was using that for my photos, and they switched to pay, threatened to take your info and you won't see it unless you upgrade, so I had to delete all my photos from all of the pages that I had

Ingrid_Doweary: My is what 2 of my family clans use.

daviss: Is that Family Tree maker alt

Ingrid_Doweary: It;s more community based than archival.

alt: Spivey, a difference may be that Yahoo & Geocities were not 'specifically' about genealogy, which Tribal Pages and some of the other sites are.

Spivey: Same here 3rdthawkins. I wasn't going to pay when no family member participated and I had to ask them to at least VISIT the site. LOL. You have a point there, alt, because when I wanted to get rid of the ads on the site I purchased what they called a 'Small Business' package.

daviss: I think I put pics on via Family Tree Maker

alt: Ingrid_Doweary, I belong to several sites.. they are great for commincating with family, but most I'm on aren't that genealogiacally oriented.

Ingrid_Doweary: I agree, Alt. That's what I was driving at.

Spivey: Perhaps that was my problem alt. The family just were not interested enough but loved to see the stories and photos there.

daviss: later folks gotta do something constructive lol like wash dishes

alt: that's life Spivey.. they (family) will enjoy the sites, if you, or someone else does the work. unfortunately

Spivey: I don't know about 3rdthawkins, but they didn't even give me enough time to download everything I had there.

daviss: mabe see ya'all tonight

alt: laters daviss

3rdthawkins: I don't know why people are complaining about that, I don't mind doing the work and sharing it with people family

Spivey: You're right about that, alt. And, on that note, I think I'll get me something to eat.

3rdthawkins: Somebody has to make the sacrifice

Spivey: See you all tonight I hope. Bye for now.

3rdthawkins: I'm not going to condemn them for not diong research, maybe they are not in to it, why punish them for that?

Ingrid_Doweary: Laters

alt: me neither 3rdthawkins, I love doing it and hope others can get some benefit from what I do well, guess it's my turn to logout for this session.. laters y'all

3rdthawkins: ok alt later

Ingrid_Doweary: Okay, 3rd. Will we see you tonite?

3rdthawkins: ok hopefully, if I remember lol forgot lst wk have a good day Ingrid my nieces and nephew came over, so that contributed to it

Ingrid_Doweary: U too, Bye.

3rdthawkins: bye


Start: 21:03:17
End: 22:50:02
Chatters: 3rdthawkins, alt, AmosNY, deannie, Ingrid_Doweary, Khathu, Selma, shannon, Spivey, vkn

alt: Hello Spivey, guess we're early

Spivey: Hi alt!

alt: was reading the tail end of last Tues. chat with Thompson

Khathu: hello everyone

alt: Hello Khathu

Spivey: Hi Khathu!

Khathu: hello alt, i have a question

Spivey: Hi Selma!

Selma: Good evening alt, Khathu and spivey

alt: okay Khathu ... hello Selma

Khathu: i received a history of leon county written in 1940

Selma: Evening Ingrid

Spivey: Hi Ingrid_Doweary!

Ingrid_Doweary: Hey Alt, Selma, Spivey & Khathu.

alt: Hi Ingrid_Doweary

Khathu: it talks about civil war colored troops protecting the voter registration polls in leon county, texas

Spivey: Ingrid_Doweary I managed to take a photo of the building I was talking about. It breaks the heart to see what they did to it.

Khathu: i was not aware that their were colored troops stationed in leon county, texas

Ingrid_Doweary: Which bldg. Spivey?

Khathu: how would i go about confirming that USCT were in leon County, Texas?

Ingrid_Doweary: How close is the Leon County, TX to the Rio Grande, Khathu.

Khathu: Hello Selma

Ingrid_Doweary: ?

alt: this was following the Civil War Khathu when the USCT, or Buffalo Soldiers were stationed in the West.

Selma: Or Brazos close

Khathu: Leon over 500 miles. Leon County is in between Dallas and Houston

alt: follow the deployment of USCT (buffalo soliders) in the West Khathu

Selma: I see it

Khathu: The passage in the book states that whites voters walked between rows of colored troops, who was their former slaves

alt: there are quite a few books written on their activities in the West following the CW.

Selma: What is the year?

Ingrid_Doweary: Khathu, do you know the name of the Regiment in question, Regiment, company?

Selma: I am sure they found that chilling

Khathu: this is interesting because it states that the white residents of Leon Co., formers slaves were enlisted

alt: probably around 1870, the first national election that AA's could particpate in

Khathu: i was unaware if any mustering of colored troops in Texas

alt: AA's were beginning to be registered as voters as early as 1867 in local elections.

Khathu: it may have been a militas (sp)

alt: as part of the 13, 14 & 15th amendment's legislative actions

Selma: Did it say what election there was...could have been in the 1866, 1867 time frame

Ingrid_Doweary: You could look up which regiments went through Texas. I heard a Descendant's Day presentation that included a regiment which was stationed in Texas.

Khathu: USCT were normally stationed near Galvestion areas near the Gulf of Mexico

Selma: Could they have been sent there specifically for that election for protection

alt: TX, AZ, KS and those western States as the US was migrating westward following the CW.. AA's had a big role in protecting the settlers from the 'indians'.

Ingrid_Doweary: 1863-1866, they were USCT but 1867 on they were Buffalo Soldiers. Wait I did encounter a website for a Buffalo Soldiers Museum. BRB.

alt: Ft. Hauchucha (sp) was a big Army post for USCT's

Spivey: Hi shannon!

shannon: hi there

Selma: Good evening shannon...welcome to the Tuesday Night Chat

alt: right Ingrid_Doweary, the USCT became what was termed the Buffalo Soldiers.

shannon: thanks

Khathu: I don't know Selma. Will have to do some research to confirmed this

alt: Hello shannon, welcome

Khathu: hello shannon

Ingrid_Doweary: Hey Shannon. Here's a link to the museum, Khathu.

Khathu: thanks

alt: Art Burton..Khathu check him out on google and some of his writings

Ingrid_Doweary: There are also Buffalo Soldiers Chapters today across the country. There's one in DC area. And yes Alt is correct, title- Black, Red and Deadly by Art Burton.

3rdthawkins: hello alt Ingrid Khathu Selma Shannon and Spivey

Ingrid_Doweary: Hey 3rd.

Spivey: Hi 3rdthawkins!

Selma: Evening 3rd

alt: Art Burton for Khathu

3rdthawkins: Khathu, reading up, I see you mentioned militia, what is a militia exactly?

Ingrid_Doweary: I got the text on hand, Khathu. What are you looking for in particular?

alt: hello 3rdthawkins

Khathu: information on USCT in Leon County, Texas

3rdthawkins: the SC Department of History and Archives has a Militia Enrollment database and I'm trying to see what it is, it lists AA as well as whites in 1969

Spivey: Militias usually refer to state/local 'armies' 3rdthawkins.

3rdthawkins: I am researching Payson in SC and it lists some AA Paysons

shannon: anyone researching in Florida/

alt: 3rdthawkins, the State National Guard units are today's example of "militia"

3rdthawkins: ty Spivey oh ok, ty alt

Spivey: You're welcome 3rdthawkins.

3rdthawkins: that helps, a little, I wish I could find them in 1870 the ones on the enrollment

Spivey: I do a little shannon for an ancillary branch of my tree. Where in Florida do you research?

shannon: having trouble

alt: if you look at older census records you will see 'military districts' for some States, in the south particularly.

shannon: finding blank FL State census forms for 1885 or 1935 or 1945

Spivey: Which resource[s] do you have access to shannon? has the Florida State Census online.

3rdthawkins: that's Georgia though alt what's that about Spivey? lol

shannon: I've checked

Spivey: I have no idea 3rdthawkins. I presume I'm under censorship for some reason.

3rdthawkins: oh, yes, I remember Spivey, you are

alt: other Southern States also 3rdthawkins, your SC is full of them, as is FL.

Spivey: shannon, which county in Florida?

3rdthawkins: I haven't seem them alt, at least not in Charleston Co.

shannon: walton, bay and jackson counties

Spivey: And Ancestry doesn't carry the state censuses for those counties shannon? What about the federal censuses for those counties?

shannon: there's no blank forms

3rdthawkins: I'm not sure if FamilySearch does

shannon: hi deannie

deannie: Evening all

3rdthawkins: hello deannie

alt: hello deannie

Spivey: Oh, you want a blank form shannon? Sorry, I misunderstood. Let me see what I can find for you.

Ingrid_Doweary: Hey Deannie.

Spivey: Be right back shannon.

shannon: thanks I need all the help I can get

Selma: Evening deannie

Khathu: hello vkn

shannon: hello cousin

Selma: Evening vkn

Ingrid_Doweary: Hey Vkn.

3rdthawkins: hello vkn

deannie: Hi 3rd, alt,Ingrid Khathu,Selma,Shannon, Spivey,vkn

Spivey: Hi vkn!

vkn: Heyyyyyyyyy good peeps friends and kin Shannon

alt: have you tried to ggogle Fl state census records shannon?

shannon: no I haven't but will try now

vkn: alt I think I wore Shannon out lol

Ingrid_Doweary: wb Deannie

alt: shame on you vkn LOL

vkn: lol

Selma: wb deannie

alt: Khathu, on Lineage society requirements,, take a look at these

3rdthawkins: welcome Amos

alt: hello AmosNY

Ingrid_Doweary: Hey amosny.

Selma: Evening Amos

shannon: vkn do u where to blank fl state census forms

vkn: howdy amos

AmosNY: Hi alt,hawkins,deannie,Ingrid,Khathu,Selma,Shannon,Spivey,VKN!

Spivey: Hi AmosNY!

alt: Khathu, especailly the rules & procedures for admittance... does the SRT have a similar outline?

Selma: Khathu is probably looking for USCT's in Texas...

alt: for Florida State Census information on familysearch read from this URL

vkn: on phone shannon

Khathu: there site is not as organized alt

alt: okay Khathu, I fiured that since you stated the 'reviewers' for yoru application was an historian rather than a genealogist.

vkn: so glad you are here shannon

shannon: Thanks alt

alt: yw shannon

3rdthawkins: finally reading your post alt, this is good, reminds me of my research and that my Sanders family were Catholic I have baptism records and just ordered some school records for my grandfather and his siblings who were Hawkins

alt: thanks 3rdthawkins, that was just a 'quickie' on some of my church records, but it was to point out that researching the familiy's religious affiliations are a good source of history and genealogical information.

3rdthawkins: I learned a few months ago after receiving a death notice for my great great grandfather Thomas A. Sanders Sr, that he was part of the Holy Name Society of St Peter's Church

alt: and I wanted to add this was all prior to 1910... going back to the early 1800's.

3rdthawkins: yes, they definitely are alt, didn't know how much info I could get just from baptism a records I learned my grandfather Thomas A. Hawkins went to Catholic school Elementary, MIddle, High School, and College, I just learned today by contacting the university he went to that he went to school from 1946-1958 but not in consecutive years, just off and on his major was architect and engineering, which he took up as a career, but I guess his schooling broke off due to his military service and the KW war

vkn: 3rd that is great to see you putting meat on dry bones, congrats

Ingrid_Doweary: Wonderful you received additional information.

3rdthawkins: I am hoping they can find some photos of him, they were very nice also

alt: did he take advantage of the G.I. Bill to complete his education 3rdthawkins?

3rdthawkins: he did not complete it alt

alt: okay 3rdthawkins

AmosNY: That was terrific 3rdthawkins !

vkn: Amos I am reading The Anniston Star from Ancestry "Colored Activities"

3rdthawkins: I also learned his baptism name, he had a different middle name than what he used during his I was told, Catholics were given a name but later they used a different name to appease a family member

alt: aren't those columns great vkn.. lots of 'personal/social' happenings

3rdthawkins: a baptism name could be that of a saint, but in my grandfather's case, his middle name at baptism was that of his paternal grandfather, though he used his maternal grandfather's middle name during his lifetime

vkn: Undeed they are alt and almost like being there

alt: bring back many memories for me vkn, reading the 'colored' news columns on ancestry from towns/cities in my areas of Ohio.. almost every local newspaper had such a column.

3rdthawkins: did anyone else participate in the survey via email?

alt: I didn't 3rdthawkins

3rdthawkins: right vkn, I think I got the baptism names

Ingrid_Doweary: I didn

deannie: Not me

Ingrid_Doweary: not

3rdthawkins: they were asking what records you would like to see in 2011 since there are some they are working on, some good ones too

vkn: my names are mary margaret

3rdthawkins: records that are releveant to your research relevant

alt: and I don't understand this new 'button' folks are talking about on Ancestry that will tel you who you are related to and how.

3rdthawkins: and Spivey, alt and vkn and everyone, Magdalene Smith was witness to my grandfather's baptism. Which confirms even more that she was the same as Rosa

vkn: too many new buttons

alt: of course they don't say this works only if you have a family tree up on Ancestry.

Selma: Agreed vkn.. LOL

3rdthawkins: me either alt, you can do that on your family tree software

Spivey: Okay 3rdthawkins.

Selma: Sorry folks..gotta run..falling asleep here..Night All

Khathu: goodnight everyone

Spivey: Goodnight Selma.

3rdthawkins: alt they have a new link on the family tree section of Ancestry and you click on it and it will tell you how a particular person is related, nothing different than FT Software

alt: with the 'speed' of today's search features that relationship thing is no biggie.

Spivey: And goodnight to you too, Khathu. LOL.

3rdthawkins: pointless really, compared to what they need to have they are adding all those gadgets and they need more records that is relevant. I had ancestry for free and paid a whole month and got restless with it because I had already exhausted all my search on it. there was nothing left to search on ancestry, Out of ALL their BILLIONS OF Records most of the stuff I got from ancestry I got for free from the library, there was simply no reason to get it

vkn: alt and all I see where Tp allows for 'delete' to correct gender error

alt: right 3rdthawkins, AND their relationship feature is only as accurate as the 'trees' they are matching against.. and we all know of the incorrectness of most of the Ancestry Trees, many of which are just copies of other trees folks have put up there.

3rdthawkins: yep

alt: right vkn.. corrct gender problem by a 'delete and add' application....

AmosNY: I connected thru family trees on Ancestry with another user who proved that we were cousins.

alt: how did he do that AmosNY?

vkn: I am a slllllllllow learner but getting there

AmosNY: He checked my family tree and noticed that one of my ggrandparents were also part of his family tree.

alt: so he compared his tree to your tree and you had a common 'documented' ancestor with matching names, dates, locations, etc.?

vkn: Yall be good and take all care to give all care

alt: was his data on this ancestor as complete as yours nad vice/versa?

AmosNY: That's right alt.

Spivey: Goodnight everyone.

alt: wonderful AmosNY

deannie: I got go have a great week

Ingrid_Doweary: Good for you Amos.

alt: oh, oh I'm running folks off LOL

Ingrid_Doweary: You're not running me off, Alt lol

3rdthawkins: they sure do make leaving look good lol lol

alt: okay Ingrid_Doweary, you're a trooper LOL

Ingrid_Doweary: Got a little time left.

alt: anyone have a 'hot item' to discuss?

3rdthawkins: wish I did

Ingrid_Doweary: I'll think of it after I sign off.

alt: okay, what is your definition of a 'brickwall'?

3rdthawkins: brickwall is when you are stuck, period

Ingrid_Doweary: Same concept here.

alt: somehting you've looke dhigh and low for or just something you're tired of searching for or .......?

3rdthawkins: I don't think it should be classified as exhausting all areas of your research, unless you just want to be strict I think when you talk about exhausting all areas of research, that should be under the category of advanced researchers

alt: okay, then my question is .. why are you stuck? I want to ask that so many times when folks say they have a 'brickwall'

3rdthawkins: because for some, slavery is a brickwall, and no cemetery may exist, the NARA may not be able to tell you who enslaved your ancestors I'm stuck alt, because I cant' go any further, that is the answer

Ingrid_Doweary: That's a good question to record when that point is reached in the your research project.

3rdthawkins: dont' act as if you own the word brickwall and get to make the rules of what a brickwall is

Ingrid_Doweary: An addition response is what is it I need to know and what will get the answer I need.

3rdthawkins: sorry for getting chippy

alt: 3rdthawkins, can't.. don't know how or any other reason

Ingrid_Doweary: ?

AmosNY: Hawkins, what particular question do you need answered?

3rdthawkins: don't know how may be better use alt

Ingrid_Doweary: Just trying to place the brickwall moment as a point of reference.

alt: no problem 3rdthawkins. I can take it, but it is a pet peeve of mine when folks who haven't gone beyond their own nose for answers and say they are 'stuck'

Ingrid_Doweary: "..what particular question do you need answered?" is another benchmark to use during the research process.

3rdthawkins: maybe you all are taking it more literal than I am, being stuck is being stuck, I can't say I'm stuck because I haven't gone "beyond", but what if that is why I am stuck

alt: I guess it's because with me genealogy is a passion and not a 'hobby' or fleeting interest.

3rdthawkins: I think that is the thing alt, everybody's in it for a different reason, and I do think that those with the passion need to be a little more considerate and less high minded for and towards those who aren't in it like you are

alt: exactly Ingrid_Doweary .. phrased very well yes we all have our own agendas 3rdthawkins, no doubt about that

3rdthawkins: an Professional basketball player who is passionate about playing should not get too uptight at a "civilian" who is just playing ball for fun

Ingrid_Doweary: Take heart 3rd, every research process has its benchmark. Thanks, Alt.

alt: but the Pro BB player won't let you on his court just to 'fool around".. I see the same in genealogy.. if you want to research welcome, if you want to play go somewhere else.

Ingrid_Doweary: Amos, what are your thoughts?

3rdthawkins: I remember when I was playing football outside with some kids and this guy was really trying to tell me how to throw a football, I'm like older than him probably, it really didn't matter to me how to throw it, I just was playing with these kids of course alt, not on his court, but off of his court, should not get too uptight. What is your court in genealogy alt and I will stay off of it lol stay off the court, yes, but you can't tell him not to play basketball, you know staff-stay off does that mean I can't do Native American research? or slave research? or military research? etc....??

alt: my court is 'the process' and when you get away from that and then tell me you're a researcher/genealogist then I'm through 'playing' with you 3rdthawkins

Ingrid_Doweary: Be nice now folks.

alt: nope, it doesn't 3rdthawkins laters Ingrid_Doweary

3rdthawkins: ok, that is what I is ok Ingrid, cause I understand. that is it alt. I do Family Research, but I'm no researcher or genealogist that's a good point

Ingrid_Doweary: Okay.

AmosNY: Good night all.

Ingrid_Doweary: Nite Amos

3rdthawkins: same with the civilian, he plays basketball, but he is no basketball player.......bye Amos

alt: very true and he stays away from the 'pro' circles, or at least knows his limits within those circles.

Ingrid_Doweary: If you 'do family research', then at least in a small sense, you are a researcher.

3rdthawkins: right

alt: I won't argue that Ingrid_Doweary

3rdthawkins: I can't even say I am doing research cause I haven't researched anything, just searched through records to find my ancestors and other family

Ingrid_Doweary: That's the ticket, know your limits. That's what you take away from brickwall encounters-limits.

alt: and when a person can say my brickwall is thus and so... and here is why .. I'm more than willing to help in any way I can

Ingrid_Doweary: Okay please explain you acquired the previous information you provided earlier, 3rd?

alt: but if it's I'm at a brickwall and it is a matter of simply 'turning the page' that's what gets to me.

3rdthawkins: well, yeah, I'm just now starting to RESEARCH my grandfather Ingrid, but I haven't researched anything prior

Ingrid_Doweary: I sense that you lack patience with folks who aren't persistent enough, Alt.

alt: oh I'm very patient when I see sincerity (sp) Ingrid_Doweary

Ingrid_Doweary: Well 3rd now you can genuinely say you have performed some research.

3rdthawkins: yep :)

alt: I teach and have taught beginning and even intermediate courses

Ingrid_Doweary: Is it the lack of sincerity that bothers you, Alt?

alt: that and treating 'the process' as if it is very easy, simple and anyone cna do it.

Ingrid_Doweary: Ahh I see. Well I gather that 3rd doesn't fit the profile of someone who treats 'the process as if very easy...."?

alt: it's like finding something on the "net and saying it isn't there when you can't find it... no, you can't find it, but it is there.

Ingrid_Doweary: Understood.

alt: the excuse that records aren't available.. well, where have you looked.. and have you tried to find resources other than those you've been unsuccessful with?

3rdthawkins: yeah, as cynthia, parkin and everyone repeatedly says, not everything is on the net, you have to go to the places, for me, I'm not able to go, but I call, I order, I request copies. The records are in the towns/cities, counties, states that your ancestors lived in, those you are NOT going to see on the Net

alt: that's it 3rdthawkins

Ingrid_Doweary: See that is what bothers me about high school and college research. That's why libraries and museum emphasize teach literacy with primary documents and fundamental research skills.

alt: but they are becoming more and more available on the 'Net as folks are starting to share and databases are being expanded and new ones coming on borad.

3rdthawkins: I understand alt because I was like that, it wasn't there when it was, I just had to go get it. The records are there, you just have to get it, that;'s what I learned, and how far I would have been if I knew that 3 years ago too many excuses and reasons not to do it, at least yourself

Ingrid_Doweary: Besides it is also important to learn how to research-build research skills.

alt: you've come a long way 3rdthawkins and i'm very proud of you and happy for you as I can see the progress you've made and continue to make.

3rdthawkins: :) thx

Ingrid_Doweary: Me too, 3rd!

3rdthawkins: :)

Ingrid_Doweary: :} Indeed, Alt.

alt: AND you are a 'researcher'!!!!

3rdthawkins: :)

Ingrid_Doweary: Indeed you are, 3rd! :}

3rdthawkins: thx you two

Ingrid_Doweary: One of the major principles of researching is learning how and where to find out what you don't know. YW, 3rd.

alt: that's a great statement Ingrid_Doweary

3rdthawkins: that's right Ingrid

Ingrid_Doweary: Thanks for recognizing truth you two. :} My father often says to young inquirers, I may not know, but I know how to find out.

3rdthawkins: fear is one thing, not sure how someone would respond, but you never know if you don't ask, I spent the last few weeks making calls and emailing and have be blessed to get some of the nicest people those who are willing to help and though they tell you no or they don't have it, but give you information where you could look or what you could possibly do

alt: and that's the problem I have with many who are getting into genealogy Ingrid_Doweary, they don't want to learn "how' to go get their information, they want it to be given to them.

Ingrid_Doweary: I can dig it.

3rdthawkins: they surely have to be told the joy they are missing when they don't get it themselves

Ingrid_Doweary: It was when I began studying genealogy, that I realized I like to research---history in particular.

3rdthawkins: forgive me Ingrid, but it's like a woman wanting a another woman to give birth to her child, am I right Ingrid? it's the joy

alt: 3rdthawkins, the writing and corresponding things you're doing that is what Mrs. Lucas tried to teach me.... how to inquire to people, institutions, repositories, libraries, etc.

Ingrid_Doweary: lol lol lol Yea you're right.

3rdthawkins: and you know what, that's what I learned from that one chapter you sent me of her's alt that's why I am doing it, I'm literally taking a page out of her book, pun intended

alt: the Joy 3rdthawkins, another reason not to give folks too much information, let them have the Joy of finding it on their own.

Ingrid_Doweary: There it is! I enjoyed listening to my 1st cousin's own personal discoveries once she acquired the research tools. Put a big smile on my face. Had me laughing at her responses.

alt: tell them where it might be nad how to go about getting it, but let them do it themselves, when they find some 'good' stuff on their own you've got'em.. they're hooked

3rdthawkins: she contacted a number of places and I saw that though the answer was they didn't have it, but there was something they DID have, so it gave me encouragement, because you never know what you will get

Ingrid_Doweary: Amen!

alt: now it's my turn to exit.. but thanks for these last few minutes you two... they have made this one of the best chat sessions I've been in on.

3rdthawkins: good, yw alt, good nite thx to you too

Ingrid_Doweary: Very good, Alt. Laters. Well unfortunately I need to call it a night also. Congratulations on your findings, 3rd. Take care.

3rdthawkins: ok, thx, and you too good nite

Ingrid_Doweary: Nite

18 Dec 2002 :: 1 Feb 2009
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