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Start: 12:01:12
End: 13:49:01
Chatters: 3rdthawkins, AYWalton, daviss, Ingrid_Doweary, keli1, Khathu, Selma, seventies soulchild, vkn

vkn: Happy Holiday to each and to all!

Khathu: hello vkn

vkn: Howdy Khathu How goes the research? So glad you helped to work the table

Khathu: it is at a stand still because i am taking a break. i usually work on my research between 4-6 months out of the year then stop i will probably pick it back up in december/january

vkn: It is necessary to take a break reassess and start up again Gives new vision to old data

Khathu: i just loose interest in researching

3rdthawkins: hello Khathu and vkn

Khathu: hello 3rd and Ingrid

Ingrid_Doweary: Hey 3rd, Khathu, and Vkn.

3rdthawkins: hello Ingrid so, how is everyone doing?

Ingrid_Doweary: I'm good and coming down off of cloud nine from this past weekend hanging out with AfriGeneas and AAHGS. Thanks for asking. How are you?

3rdthawkins: don't speak at once

Ingrid_Doweary: How are you Khathu, 3rd and Vkn?

Khathu: i'm well

AYWalton: Good afternoon, all.

Ingrid_Doweary: Hey AY!

AYWalton: Hello 3rd, Ingrid, khathu!

3rdthawkins: same here Ingrid_Doweary doing real good in my research, I really encourage people to look into school records, I was able to contact the Diocese of Charleston for my grandfather's school records. The lady was nice and even offered to do baptism records for me. I have dobs for my grandfather's siblings. And also, added notes, which included a marraige date for my grandparents

Khathu: Hello AYWalton

3rdthawkins: hello AYWalton

Ingrid_Doweary: I'm glad to hear it, Khathu, and how are you, AY?

Khathu: Hello Seventies

seventies soulchild: hello Khathu

AYWalton: doing good, Ingrid_Doweary, how about you?

3rdthawkins: hello Seventies

seventies soulchild: Hello 3rd, AYWalton, Ingrid_Doweary, vkn

Ingrid_Doweary: Hey it's Soulchild! I'm good AY/

AYWalton: sounds like a good find, 3rd. Hey there, SoulChile!!

3rdthawkins: hello Selma

AYWalton: Howdy, Ms. Selma!!!

seventies soulchild: Hi Selma

AYWalton: Looks like the old gang is here!! where is daviss today?

Selma: Good Monday afternoon folks

Ingrid_Doweary: I agree, 3rd and here's Ms. Selma.

Khathu: Hello Selma

AYWalton: have you rested up from the weekend, Selma?

vkn: Congratulations 3rd.

Selma: Still recovering..just came back from Water Aeorbics... LOL

seventies soulchild: I think daviss is with the grands. :)

3rdthawkins: I'm also doing research on those who married into the family, so kind of leaving my own research ty vkn

Ingrid_Doweary: Ooooh sounds like fun, Selma!

3rdthawkins: that has to be tiring Selma

AYWalton: Greetings, VKN!!!!!!!!! Hope you are well, today.

vkn: Welcome back from conference Selma

Selma: Thank you vee

AYWalton: oh inspire me, Selma. I might go to the gym later today.

seventies soulchild: I'm using facebook now to connect with family, but thinking of creating another page just for that.

AYWalton: create a family group perhaps just for documents and photos on facebook for the family.

Ingrid_Doweary: 3rd, sounds like you are conducting research on collateral relatives. Good move. I often include collateral relatives to expand the knowledge base.

Selma: Khathu...when I came to the chat yesterday..I told everyone you were 8 feet tall..or I am shorter then I think

AYWalton: lol

Khathu: lol

Ingrid_Doweary: lol

3rdthawkins: agree Aywalton, that is a good idea Seventies, I'm thinking about doing that myself

AYWalton: well except for evpace the rest of us were on the short side. LOL

seventies soulchild: lol

Khathu: well i am 1.5 ft from being 8 ft

AYWalton: I have a group that I created for my Bass Martin and Dollarhide cousins.

vkn: lol @ selma and Khathu lol

Ingrid_Doweary: Well we did get a little teasing from evpace.

AYWalton: so that makes you about 6' 6" ? (don't trust my math, now.)

Khathu: a little over 6'5 without shoes

3rdthawkins: man you're tall! lol

Ingrid_Doweary: lol

Khathu: height is relative. i am short compared to an elephant lol

Ingrid_Doweary: Tall drink of water, eh? lol Good for you.

AYWalton: wow and funny I thought of you as being just a slim guy from our meetings, from now on I will fell VERY short!! :) but not too many elephants at genealogy meetings, khathu.

seventies soulchild: lol

AYWalton: LOL

Selma: LOL

Ingrid_Doweary: Well you are not shorter than me, AY.

Khathu: i have to thank my grandfathers for my height because my parents are short

Ingrid_Doweary: :}

Khathu: ti = to

AYWalton: wow that is interesting.

seventies soulchild: Yes I was curious about that Khathu

Ingrid_Doweary: ooops wb AY.

AYWalton: wow that was weird!

Khathu: both of my grandfathers were over 6 feet tall - 6'3 and 6'5

Selma: My father in law was 6ft., my brother in law is 6 2..neither my husband or my kids got that height..but one of my grandsons is tall

AYWalton: Suddenly I was out of the room, and on my blog page.

Selma: My father in law was 6 ft 5

AYWalton: so that height thing skipped a generation.

seventies soulchild: My son is 6'2 just graduated from 8th grade in the summer... lol

Ingrid_Doweary: ----------------o Here's some rope, AY.

3rdthawkins: hello daviss

seventies soulchild: hey speaking of... :}

Ingrid_Doweary: Hey Daviss.

AYWalton: lol thanks Ingrid!

seventies soulchild: hey daviss

AYWalton: howdy daviss!!! we were wondering where you were.

daviss: hello everyone! Why didn't spmewone wake me?

Selma: Hey Mizz tricked me with the "suprise"... LOL

Khathu: hello daviss

daviss: lol @ Selma

3rdthawkins: I couldn't, you were sleeping like a baby :}

daviss: spmewone = someone lol

3rdthawkins: I don't know how a baby sleeps, but however a baby sleeps, that's how you were sleeping lol

Ingrid_Doweary: lol

AYWalton: you had your snore going on and nobody had the heart to give you a shake! lol

daviss: that is probably more like it AYWalton lol lol

seventies soulchild: Hey I would've woken you up daviss! :}

daviss: don't let me interrupt the conversation

3rdthawkins: too late :}

daviss: @ seventies You all are talking height

3rdthawkins: yeah, Khathu's height

seventies soulchild: Um I thought we were talking about genetic traits. . .

Selma: BRB

vkn: howdy daviss and ingrid

Khathu: height, genetic traits

3rdthawkins: it may have led into that Seventies

daviss: how tall are you khathu

Khathu: 6'5 without shoes

seventies soulchild: My son gets his height from my dad's family. My grandmother was almost 6ft, all her siblings were at least 6ft tall

daviss: ahhh

3rdthawkins: hello keli1

Khathu: hello keli1

vkn: howdy keli1

Ingrid_Doweary: Hey Keil1! Good to see you again

AYWalton: ok back.

keli1: hello to all!!!

daviss: my oldest brother is 5'8 and my baby brother is 6'11

AYWalton: greetings, keli1!! how are you today?

keli1: yes Ingrid good to see you again, isn't it nice to put a face to a name

AYWalton: It was great to see you at the conference!!!

daviss: all the others are between 6' 2 and 3

3rdthawkins: wow, somebody missed the height stick daviss

vkn: daviss y'all be Kikuyu?

AYWalton: what time did you get home, keli1?

keli1: Today is a normal day, blood pressure is up and stressed out, so that is why I signed in...need a mental break

AYWalton: khathu could be, for sure!

3rdthawkins: what is Kikuyu?

AYWalton: lol

seventies soulchild: I'm about 5'5, but always feel taller than other women. Maybe its a psychological thing.

keli1: I got home around 3pm Sunday

AYWalton: gracious!! yes, do take a break!

daviss: my sister is 5'9 and I used to be 5'7 but ..... something is happening as I age lol

seventies soulchild: lol vkn

Khathu: it is an African tribe in Kenya

AYWalton: I am pretty short, but never "feel" short.

3rdthawkins: I thought she was trying to say your name for a minute there Khathu

Khathu: or Massai

vkn: An African tribe 3rd VERY tall slender people

keli1: well I know I am short!!! 5'0

3rdthawkins: ahhh,

AYWalton: yes the Masai are also tall folks like the Kikuyu. we are height cousins, then, keli1.

keli1: for sure, you know our families blended in OK!!!

seventies soulchild: hi keli1

AYWalton: well now that the conference is over, time to gradually slow down for the year. though I have an event in November.

keli1: I had to fire someone last week and now really feeling the impacts!

Khathu: i have a family reunion in two week out in california

keli1: I think the conference was good

3rdthawkins: wb Selma

Selma: Thanks

AYWalton: wb Selma!

3rdthawkins: I wonder where alt is

seventies soulchild: aw that must really be draining keli1

keli1: hey there sister Selma

daviss: 3rd, what was the name of your folks that lived on broadway street in Phx that ran the cafe?

AYWalton: I missed some of the events like the state of the society meeting, but heard it was good.

Selma: Hey there keli

Khathu: putting the final touches on the family history presentation

seventies soulchild: wb Selma

AYWalton: where in California will your reunion be, khathu?

vkn: how did your paper go keli1

Khathu: Vallejo outside of San Francisco/Oakland

keli1: my presentation was on WW2, resources, etc, and I highlighted the research I completed on a relative-Calvin Clark Davis

AYWalton: will you be presenting something to the family khathu?

Ingrid_Doweary: Khathu, I read about the Kikuyu tribe in Jomo Kenyatta's Facing Mount Kenya. Wrote a paper on their male rights of passage ritual.

keli1: it went well, 70s, thanks for asking

vkn: very very good keli1

Selma: I need to talk to you about coming here in the spring AY

AYWalton: I recall the Kikiyu in The Flame Trees of Thika. (both a book and a film)

Khathu: Her name was Julia Johnson

AYWalton: I would love to, Selma!

Ingrid_Doweary: Sounds very interesting, Keli1.

3rdthawkins: daviss Lindsey's Drive-In 2254 South Central Ave.

keli1: A highlight for me was listening to Tony Cohen and the foundations he set up, etc

Khathu: she was married to Enors Johnson

Selma: Since Civil War is front and can talk about USCT troops and researching pension records..will give you dates Oops where did she go

keli1: Selma if you get her there maybe our group up here will make a field trip to your area

Khathu: AYWalton - I will be presenting the history of the family patriarch Isaac Haynes (1828-1893)

daviss: ok ok thx 3rd

AYWalton: darn mouse!

keli1: wb Ay

Ingrid_Doweary: WB AYwalton.

AYWalton: thanks!

vkn: velcro for AYW

AYWalton: I was typing away then poof!! and super glue, vkn! LOL

vkn: lol

3rdthawkins: I can dig that Khathu :} :}

keli1: lol @ AY

seventies soulchild: You really need to replace that mouse AYWalton! "} :}

Selma: Is that the same mouse you were complaining about last year.. LOL

AYWalton: VKN I was thinking---maybe we can have Charless Howard come to one of our chats to talk about AAHGS and the future of the organization. SoulChile it is something in the settings---even when I don't have it plugged in, crazy thing happen.

vkn: sounds good ayw will you invite him

AYWalton: I don't mind. I shall see what I can do between now and the end of the year.

keli1: Charles did a great job as President, etc.

AYWalton: Maybe for a Tuesday evening chat.

Selma: I will let you know Keli He did keli and stayed calm too... LOL

keli1: Thanks, right now we are planning a LVA and Black Museum Trip in May 2011

vkn: when we meet on 12 Nov we can get more specific ayw

keli1: Selma that way we don't need AY to hop all over Virginia!!!! lol

Ingrid_Doweary: The LVA and Black Museum Trip sounds interesting.

Selma: AY...likes coming our way..she has been here twice

daviss: 3rd what was their names

3rdthawkins: Virgil and Helen Lindsey

AYWalton: sure thing, vkn!

Selma: Our group went to Black History Museum long time ago..maybe we can do again, when you all go

AYWalton: I do like that area. Not sure why and I have never really had the time to tour the vicinity properly. one of these days, I shall.

keli1: we are scheduling for the 4th saturday in May 2011, a Library and Museum trip

Ingrid_Doweary: Selma, where is this Black History Museum located?

vkn: AYW did you get mail from Marian Douglass

AYWalton: one of my ancestors must have come through that way or something....

keli1: AY, my area is special too!!!

AYWalton: yes, I did----I responded to her.

vkn: okies

AYWalton: well, I need to get to know your area, then keli1

Selma: In Richmond Ingrid... We did the Maggie Walker House too keli

keli1: we cover the Central Virginia counties that is an idea Selma a day trip and hit all 3

Ingrid_Doweary: Oh okay. I'll look it. I would to visit the Maggie Walker House- Maggie Lena Walker?

AYWalton: perhaps we can have some off line, AfriGeneas meet and greets! in various places. VA sounds like a great place to start!

keli1: I am looking for someone to present on photographs, dating and preservation, etc.. anyone know of anyone

Ingrid_Doweary: I love the idea, AY.

keli1: Yes Maggie Walker house

AYWalton: (since some folks say all roads lead to VA!)

vkn: indeed

Selma: and who might that be AY?

AYWalton: oh somebody I know down in Newport News!

keli1: Virginia is the Mother state...and all roads do lead here, lol, that is why I moved here

Ingrid_Doweary: Ahhh, AY.

AYWalton: where did you move from, keli1?

keli1: I lived in Tallahassee Florida for 16yrs

daviss: I thought all roads lead to Arizona :o

AYWalton: wow I was not aware of that, keli1!

3rdthawkins: lol

Selma: You left all that warm weather keli

AYWalton: all western roads, daviss. LOL

keli1: all of my genealogy research is within 6 hours of me

vkn: Ari where daviss lol lol lol

AYWalton: you are lucky with that.

3rdthawkins: I was thinking more Texas daviss :}

Khathu: all roads lead to washington, dc when you are lost

AYWalton: I do multiple states, so I am all over the place.

Ingrid_Doweary: Fascinating.

keli1: prior to that lived 7 yrs in Hawaii, left all that stuff in Florida (HUMIDITY)

AYWalton: lol

Ingrid_Doweary: I heard that Khathu.

keli1: Khathu, for sure

AYWalton: wow keli1! Was adjusting back to VA hard? and are you glad you made the move?

keli1: there was an adjustment but born and raised in Michigan! so not a southerner by birth yes I am happy about the move and got my momma with me, so happy

AYWalton: oh wow. Was she raised in VA?

Selma: Good

Ingrid_Doweary: Wow, Keli1, you were born a midwesterner like me?

vkn: keli1 DeeStroyIt or ???

keli1: nope, born in Michigan also, yes Ingrid, Grand Rapids Michigan...

AYWalton: what an adjustment then, keli1!

keli1: married a man I had to learn to love and talked him into joining the Air Force, lol

vkn: oops

Ingrid_Doweary: I've got kinfolks in Grand Rapids, MI and visited for a Cummings Family Reunion in 1997.

AYWalton: interesting way with words, you have, keli1 I have folks in Muskegon Michigan.

vkn: lol

Ingrid_Doweary: Me also, AY.

AYWalton: But they are Arkansas transplants, the older ones, anyway.

keli1: divorced now...Irita is in Muskegon area,

Ingrid_Doweary: Same here, AY.

AYWalton: that's right----remember the hotel in Ft. Wayne?

keli1: Muskegon was a hoppin' town back in the Day

Ingrid_Doweary: Was it?

AYWalton: we were talking about Ypsi, and Inkster, and Fruitport, and Jhonora was cracking up with the names. this was at Ft. Wayne sitting around the bar.

keli1: oh yea, we used to go to Musgekon for the clubs

Ingrid_Doweary: Hmmmm.

AYWalton: really? That must have been why my Basses landed there.

keli1: back in the 60s

AYWalton: do you know any Bass, or Allens, or Vines, in Muskegon, Ingrid?

Ingrid_Doweary: Anyone got kinfolk in Milwaukee, Wisconsin?

keli1: Allen's are ringing a bell..none in WS

vkn: Never heard of Fruitport but know about Ypsi and Inkster and River Rouge

AYWalton: no relatives that I know, but some folks in Arkansas moved to Milwaukee.

3rdthawkins: Ingrid_Doweary and Khathu, I need to learn about a U.S. Naval Station in D.C., my grandfather was there back in the late 1940s, a year before the KW started

Khathu: okay

keli1: AY did I tell you I lived in Ark, Blytheville

Ingrid_Doweary: What is your point of particular interest, 3rd?

vkn: y'all be good

AYWalton: gracious no, you did not, keli1. What took you there? ok, vkn!!!!

Ingrid_Doweary: Cya Vkn

AYWalton: have a good one!

keli1: Air Force AY, lol

AYWalton: wow----didn't know they had a base there.

Selma: The military..will move you around

AYWalton: There is one in Little Rock, I believe.

keli1: Castle AF base, it is now closed

seventies soulchild: did I read someone mention all roads lead to VA? :}

AYWalton: ahhh ok.

Selma: What industry was in Muskegon?

keli1: I went from ar, ms, ca, hi

Ingrid_Doweary: 3rd, which your specific point of interest of the US Naval Base in DC?

AYWalton: wow you have lived all over. Selma, not sure.

keli1: they had some factories-wood or furniture I think

AYWalton: I think one of those support buisnesss for the auto industry---they made some kind of parts.

Selma: OK..wondering what made folks move there..

keli1: lots of smaller feeder plants to GM and Ford

3rdthawkins: Ingrid_Doweary I wanted to know his military interest, I have a record that says U.S. Naval and it has a something like Leu and Station and has washington. I want to know what naval base my grandfather was and if that is where he was living when he entered service

AYWalton: There is the US Navy Shipyard in Washington, 3rd.

seventies soulchild: ok good people. I know that its supposed to be a day off,but I have a lot of things to do... :(

daviss: awww seventies

AYWalton: ok SoulChile. I hear ya! I also need to run, shortly.

seventies soulchild: Bye all see you tomorrow night.

AYWalton: Have a houseguest arriving tomorrow. Tidying up the guest room. is today a holiday?

3rdthawkins: ok thx Ay

AYWalton: federal holiday?

Selma: Oh just throw the stuff in the closet AY.. LOL

keli1: it is a holiday but I am at work

AYWalton: LOL that is probably what will happen, Selma!!

keli1: lol, @ Selma

AYWalton: I better r un.

3rdthawkins: oops

Khathu: have a great day everyone

AYWalton: take care everyone. bye.

keli1: bye

daviss: bye

3rdthawkins: was going to say Columbus Day

keli1: I need to run as well, need to handle some biz....enjoy the rest of your day..

daviss: bye keli1

Selma: Me too...have a great day everyone.

Ingrid_Doweary: 3rd, have you read the national archives's website on us navy records?

daviss: all the runners lol

3rdthawkins: yes, I think Ingrid, I know I won't be able to order them because I am not next of kin

Ingrid_Doweary: Yep they are quick on the draw.

daviss: how would they know that 3rd?

Ingrid_Doweary: What type of record were you referring from?

3rdthawkins: I would have to do something if I am daviss, something I don't have baptismal Ingrid

daviss: hmmm

Ingrid_Doweary: Okay, which location was the baptismal based from?

3rdthawkins: this was in Charleston SC

Ingrid_Doweary: Were any SC naval bases cited in this document?

3rdthawkins: no

Ingrid_Doweary: I meant also to ask if you were able to locate the person's name on one or more census records?

3rdthawkins: 1930 he was born 1924 this is my grandfather

daviss: hey it was over 50 yrs so why cant you order

3rdthawkins: you have to be next of kin for all military records, no matter how long daviss as I read

Ingrid_Doweary: Daviss, isnt the grandchild also considered next of kin?

3rdthawkins: I would have just said I was a brother, but I will have to go through too much to do it

daviss: you would think so

3rdthawkins: No, apparently not Ingrid next of kin is spouse of deceased who NEVER MARRIED, children, parents, and siblings

daviss: I am the next of kin to mine all others are deceased running down the line

3rdthawkins: I should say spouse of veteran

Ingrid_Doweary: Seems strange because grandchildren are also considered heirs. I'll have to review that. However, you may want to contact a naval historian. I'll see what I can find out.

daviss: how do all these other people get these records when the deceased is over 50 and they are no kin at all

3rdthawkins: not sure

daviss: exactly! rather the deceased person was born all those years ago thats 80 plus yrs

Ingrid_Doweary: My husband has a cousin who is a retired military veteran and I'll consult him. He was instrumental in retrieving my father-in-laws records for WW2.

daviss: and you arent in line lol I would love to hear what he says also ingrid I would not mind having my fathers records

Ingrid_Doweary: This gives me an opportunity to visit and research the navy yard in DC.

daviss: sounds good

3rdthawkins: yeah, I would like to hear how he did it

daviss: I had one uncle that was in the navy.. all others army-airforce

Ingrid_Doweary: Fair enough, I'll contact him. My brother-in-law was in the Navy from about 1968-1972 i believe. He shared his yearbook with his mother and siblings. Oh, do you have any information as to how long your grandfather was in the Navy? That was for you 3rd.

daviss: {sniff}

Ingrid_Doweary: Wassup, Daviss?

daviss: lol just a tear rolling down my cheek

3rdthawkins: well, according to what was found on, service start date Sep 1 1950 and I gues end date was Jan 28 1952

Ingrid_Doweary: Why do you hear heart string, Daviss? strings?

daviss: wishing I had been into all this early in life, mabe just mabe I would be a little ahead if not only in oral history

Ingrid_Doweary: into which-WW2 and Korean Conflict history?

3rdthawkins: Korean oh, oops

Ingrid_Doweary: My father was in the army and I try to interview piece meal to get as much information as I can. I did scan a photo of him in uniform at his desk. I 'm still learning how to write transcripts for verbal interviews.

daviss: I bet you are doing a wonderful job ingrid_doweary when was he in the army

Ingrid_Doweary: Well we'll see in a few months. Yes he was in the Army

daviss: meaning what year

Ingrid_Doweary: 1953-1955. Entered college in Fall of 1955 on the G.I. Bill. 3rd, did your grandfather attend school?

3rdthawkins: yes, in Charleston his cousin told me he went to Catholic U which is in D.C. I contacted them, waiting for a reply, he only went for 3 yers, according to his DC=death certificate

Ingrid_Doweary: Did he graduate? Wonder if you could request copies of his transcript. Did his cousin also attend Catholic U? I live in the neighborhood next to the neighbor where Catholic U is located.

3rdthawkins: that's what I want to know........hopefully I can request no, his family was in Charleston SC he moved to D.C. along with my gm

daviss: dang Ingrid I wish you would move to texas lol

3rdthawkins: lol is that near Division Ave. Ingrid, or Deanwood?

daviss: I'am trying 3rd lol lol

3rdthawkins: I forget the neighborhood Division Ave is in I have an address for them in 1954 living on Div. Av

Ingrid_Doweary: Please bare with me for probing because many times every bit of info turns into a lead. What did his cousin say about your grandfather attending Catholic U.? Catholic U. is located in the Brookland neighborhood in N.E. Washington, DC.

3rdthawkins: nothing much Ingrid, just that he went to Catholic U in D.C,

daviss: c yall later! good luck

3rdthawkins: that's where they lived, NE

daviss: bye

3rdthawkins: oik bye daviss

Ingrid_Doweary: Cya Daviss. So do you have any city directories for him residing in DC?

3rdthawkins: ok division ave is in deanwood no Ingrid, someone at ancestry did a look up in the library and found them living on Division Ave 1954 he was working at Bureau of Standards as an engineer, it is now known as National Institute of Standards and Technology in Gaithersburg, MD

Ingrid_Doweary: Yea, the Deanwood community is farther north of the Brookland community. If you are willing to share his name with me, I'll search directly for more city directories (1953-1959). The Bureau of Standards info is worth looking into.

3rdthawkins: Thomas A. Hawkins, wife's name Ruth M Hawkins

Ingrid_Doweary: The Washington, DC Library HQ has a Local History section which houses DC City Directories from 1870- 1960s. Thanks I'll report back to you after Friday. Is that okay?

3rdthawkins: yes, that's cool, thx

Ingrid_Doweary: YW. It's been a pleasure. I'll sign off now. Until next time. Cya.

3rdthawkins: ok, bye, cya

18 Dec 2002 :: 1 Feb 2009
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