2013-12-01 • MRTC as in Rivers
vkn: Good Sunday after Thanx for Giving
jhonora: Hello vkn! How are you this morning?
vkn: Howdy Going well and you
jhonora: Doing well, I'm wondering where the crowd is
vkn: After holidays hang overs lol
vkn: Many come closer to the Noon hour these days
jhonora: The other day, I recall you mentioning that AfriGeneas would have a meeting in 2014, is that right?
vkn: and of course the games take over
jhonora: Yes, I forgot abut football
vkn: Yes the last weekend in Feb in Atlanta
jhonora: Have any particulars been set? I will try to make it.
vkn: Are you available to participate AfriGeneas: Past; Present; Future Specifics
alt: hello vkn & jhonora.. hope you both are doing well today.
jhonora: That is a great theme, it is inspiring to hear you all talk about the early days online Hello alt
vkn: Howdy Alt
alt: howdy ma'am
vkn: What is new with you Alt What is new with you jhonora
alt: not much, just 'cruising' the social media and reading the commentary on Many Rivers To Cross and the FDA & 23andme controversay
jhonora: Nothing much, just preparing for the holidays - I did get an email from a distant cousin who is using the family history in her college paper alt, perhaps you know the answer, has 23andme suspended their testing? ... for genealogy, I mean
alt: no they haven't jhonora
vkn: Alt I do so much appreciate your non aggressive analytical contributions to all of the conversations
alt: why thank you ma'am.... I am opinionated, but I do try to "listen" vkn, you and my other mentor's have taught me well LOL
alt: jhonora, your letter from the Dillard/Amistad archives (?) on the Oberlin student have me really looking into the African-Americans that attended Oberlin in the oeriod immediately prior to and during the Civil War. Some of those students went on to become "heavy-weights" in African-American history.
jhonora: Yes, they were really remarkable like James Mercer Langston, the lawyer.
alt: yep... Langston's folks were in Chillicothe, Ohio .. Ross County, Ohio at the same time of some of my ancestors and they were very active in the UGRR, abolitionist movement and education for the FPOC's in that area.
jhonora: Oberlin was really something - refusing to celebrate the 4th of July and encouraging the students to teach ex-slave communities.
alt: Charles Langston is well recognized in the Chillicothe area,
jhonora: I know Langston Hughes' mother was a Langston. Was she from Ohio?
alt: yep, she is one of the Langston descendant's from that area.
jhonora: Payne and Wilberforce have long histories as well
vkn: I have a nephew who is a Langston descend In fact his name is Langston King
alt: wish I could make your "to=do" in Feb vkn... but long distance traveling is beyond me at the moment... is that right vkn, wow!!!
vkn: Well alt we can do the "go to meeting" bit
alt: okay, that'll work for me vkn
vkn: We MUST have your Alt input
alt: I'll be more than happy to tell you what you need to do vkn LOL LOL LOL
vkn: lol lol lol lol lol Your input aussi jhonora
jhonora: Merci, madame lol
alt: vkn, was Sharon Morgan with AfriGeneas in the early days... a founder (?)
vkn: Yes she was a founder in fact she got us started on AOL from Prodigy
alt: ah so, okay
vkn: and technically she intiated the Tuesday night chat
alt: okay, she is doing a great job trying to keep the 'folks' straight on her Our Black Ancestry Facebook page.
vkn: Not easy I am sure Of course it is a double job getting people and folks to follow the "leader" Cause "the leader" must follow the fokes
alt: I'm sure you know all about that as our "fearless AfriGeneas" leader LOL
vkn: In other words it is all circular lol
keli1: Good afternoon cousins!
vkn: Howdy Doody keli1 wassup
jhonora: Hello keli1
keli1: nothing much, just glad to be alive and thankful for what I have, LOL...feeling good today!
alt: Hello keli1 .. is it gonna be OSU & FSU in the BCS championship game? Hello Ms Selma
vkn: Howdy Selma and how you be?
Selma: Good afternoon folks...alt, jhonora, vkn and keli
jhonora: Hello Selma
keli1: I think so Art, I can't wait-go Noles! How about the Auburn last second...awesome! Howdy Selma!
alt: yep, that was a WOWSER!!!!!!
AYWalton: Good afternoon, all.
alt: hello AYWalton
Selma: Cspan3..just replayed a presentation of Dr. Thavolia Glymph on African American Women Refugees
AYWalton: hi alt
Selma: in the Civil War
vkn: Howdy AYW how you be and wassup
AYWalton: hey hey hey, it's honoray!!!!!
keli1: it was something we will probably not see again. I taped it Selma, hello to AY!
AYWalton: greetings jhonora, how are you? Long time
jhonora: Doing well, AYW
keli1: how was it Selma
Selma: AY..did you know jhonora is a graduate..
AYWalton: Hi keli1, Mizz Selma---thanks for that tip!
alt: she was one of the historians on Many Rivers To Cross, right?
Selma: It was wonderful
AYWalton: Greetings, vkn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Selma: Yes..she was alt.. It is a must watch
AYWalton: I just caught that segment on CSpan3. It was excellent!
vkn: Back atcha ten fold AYW
AYWalton: jhonora----are you finished?????
keli1: I can't wait to watch it!
jhonora: Yes, AY, back in May
AYWalton: wow!!! Did you finish a year early, or has it already been 4 years?
Selma: and he didn't even tell us AY..so we could have Graduation Chat Party
AYWalton: indeed!!! You have been holding out on us, jhonora!!
jhonora: 4 years, I did post it on Facebook lol
keli1: I want to party, Jhonora....congrats to you!
alt: he didn't want us "old folks" messing with his "Boogie-Down" party Selma LOL
AYWalton: hmm.........that's not enough---messages scroll by fast on FB!!! Congratulations!!
Selma: Not with these HIPS.. LOL
AYWalton: So what next? Graduate school?
vkn: AYWalton and jhonora has a book to be published, soon
Selma: FB..heck..who can keep up with that
keli1: your hips are fine, they move....
AYWalton: uh huh----he HAS been holding out on us!! That is wonderful jhonora? What is the focus of the book?
jhonora: I am going to probably teach for a while and then go to grad. school
AYWalton: when will it come out?
vkn: Howdy Khathu
alt: Hello khathu, how are you doing?
Selma: Afternoon Khathu
jhonora: The book is the history of the Knights of Peter Claver, I have been working on it for awhile.
khathu: hope all is well
AYWalton: ah yes, Peter Claver. are you teaching now?
keli1: Hi Khathu!
Selma: I want a copy jhonora (I will pay.. LOL).
jhonora: lol Selma
vkn: I too will pay jhonora
jhonora: I got a lot of cooperation from the folks in Richmond btw, Selma
keli1: I will pay too!
alt: I want a "freebie" LOL LOL
Selma: Some of my husbands relatives attend a catholic church in Huntington WVA..believe it is named for Peter Claver
vkn: lol @ alt
jhonora: alt lol
Selma: I am glad jhonora..
AYWalton: that is wonderful jhonora! So proud of you!
Selma: alt..I am appalled..
AYWalton: so what occupies your time these days? Working on the next book?
jhonora: In addition to the CreoleGen blog (www.creolegen.org), I also am trying to build up another (www.thisfarbyfaithblog.blogspot.com)
AYWalton: oh great!! I shall check it out, as well.
keli1: that sounds good jhonora I can't wait, put me on the list for the book! I am so happy for you!
alt: I'm talking about a senior's gift for the book Selma.. I be's 'po LOL
jhonora: Well I'm still finalizing the Peter Claver book, but also putting together my findings on some research I did for this small Black order in Harlem
vkn: what is the Harlem Order jhonora
AYWalton: that sounds interesting. What is the name?
jhonora: Franciscan Handmaids of Mary, motherhouse in Harlem, but founded in 1916 by a native Louisianan
Selma: Where in Harlem?
AYWalton: just found their website. Not familiar with them. I guess they are overshadowed by the Oblate Sisters of Providence.
jhonora: 124th St, Selma
AYWalton: Greetings, daviss!
alt: Hello daviss
Selma: Mornin daviss
keli1: hello to Ms. Daviss....in AZ...
vkn: AYWalton the founder of the Oblate sisters is up for sainthood as you knpw
daviss: hello there AYWalton, alt and Selma1
AYWalton: yes, Mother Lange! they have been working on that for some time! I suspect folks will be booking tickets for Rome if she is canonized.
daviss: hi jhonora, keli1, and khathu
vkn: Heyyyy Daviss did you bring a note from home lol
AYWalton: especially from Maryland!
daviss: hello there vkn!
keli1: LOL @vkn regarding Daviss...
AYWalton: jhonora--the site says they grew out of a population in Savannah.
daviss: hahaha vkn, I guess I am just a bad bad girl
Selma: Isn't she originally from Haiti vkn
AYWalton: When I was in Ft. Wayne I found a fascinating book about Black Catholics in Savannah.
vkn: Yes she is to my understanding Selma
jhonora: That is correct, AYWalton, but they progressed slowly in Sav. so they followed the migration
AYWalton: Mother Lange was part of a size-able group of FPCs from St. Domingue--which is now Haiti. fascinating!
Selma: She first came into Norfolk..before going to Maryland
AYWalton: their Motherhouse is here in Baltimore County. About 15 minutes from where I live.
vkn: ah so
AYWalton: jhonora is your blog up?
vkn: Was she pioneering in Norfolk Selma
keli1: Daviss...anything further on Miss Wells....
AYWalton: Is this the site? http://thisfarbyfaith.blogspot.com/
daviss: quit trying to disguise her keli1 lol and the answer is noooo
AYWalton: who is Miss Wells?
daviss: wb jhonora
keli1: stop looking for Z, look for Wells for a bit
AYWalton: ahhh Mariah Wells?
Selma: A number of the folks who leave St. Domingue come to Norfolk first..and she was one, she is mentioned in a book..on Black Norfolk, written by Tommie Bogger he was the archivist at Norfolk State.
jhonora: Ay, mine is thisfarbyfaithblog.blogspot.com
keli1: AY, yes
daviss: hahahahahahaha AYWalton
AYWalton: was scratching my head for a moment, daviss. lol
jhonora: Did many stay in Norfolk, Selma?
vkn: Interesting blog JHonora
AYWalton: got it jhonora!
Selma: I got an email from someone in Baltimore who was interested in her, I called Bogger but he didn't have any other info.
AYWalton: it looks great, jhonora!!!!
Selma: No they did not stay long
jhonora: Thank you, ayw
Selma: I don't know how many or who might have stayed here jhonora
AYWalton: I shall be following it closely!! Plus I have images and a number of articles I have been wondering what to do with---maybe if/when you are inclined I can share them with you. Some you might have already---like the nuns from the 1890s in Arkansas who ran the Black girls school.
alt: just took a peek jhonora, yes it looks good, colors easy on the eyes.
AYWalton: keli1 you need a seat belt?
vkn: Keli1 are you iPadding?
AYWalton: I try not to use my Kindle in chat. It is hard and that darn auto correct will drive you nuts.
keli1: yes I am, for a little bit, LOL
vkn: okies keli1 I have difficulty with the iPad device in chat
keli1: I just downloaded a friends new book from kindle to my ipad and love it, always have books with me
Selma: Very, very nice jhonora
jhonora: Thanks, Selma
keli1: no problems here that I know of...enjoying it
vkn: Great Keli1 gonna try to grow up as you lol
AYWalton: I do too.
vkn: and you too ayw
keli1: LOL...I am trying to use it as much as I can.
vkn: Get with us alt lol
jhonora: Recently, I had to explain the name-changing after the Civil War to an interested relative. It was difficult to get them to understand
daviss: What is the name of friends book Keli1?
AYWalton: I have a regular Kindle Reader and then I have the Kindle Fire HD. I love both of them. I use one just for books and the other I use for web and films, etc.
keli1: seat beat...LOL.. @AY
alt: nope vkn, can't handle all of this "new" stuff LOL
keli1: Andi Cumbo-Floyd, I posted on FB..just released
vkn: Hate to leave you behind alt, lol
AYWalton: I am expecting a copy of her book this week.
Selma: What is the title and subject
keli1: The name of the book is “The Slaves Have Names”
Selma: Ok..I saw that
keli1: John Hartwell Cocke's plantation in Fluvanna Co, VA
jhonora: I saw it mentioned as well, sounds like a great book
AYWalton: So are you teaching at St. Augustine jhonora?
jhonora: Well, I might re-start the journalism class after the holiday break - still waiting to hear from them
keli1: I hope folks read it, she traced the families that lived on the plantation, where she lived and her father still lives there
vkn: What is the geo location keli1
jhonora: Who owns the land, keli1?
AYWalton: Interesting piece you wrote about the pew rentals, Jhonora. We never had that in the Diocese of Little Rock, to my knowledge.
alt: keli1, .....these slaves were known by surnames? during their period of enslavement
keli1: the land is still in the Cocke family, he was a general or colonial during the 1812 war and friend of Thomas J
jhonora: Yes, Ay, it was an annual thing
AYWalton: fascinating! glad to see you sharing so much of the history.
khathu: Have a good day
keli1: yes they have surnames, one is Creasy, after I visited the plantation, I told him I saw the grave of one of his ancestors, only three stones still stand, over 100 slaves buried there
vkn: Bye Khathu you too
keli1: not colonial, colonel
vkn: Gotcha Keli1
alt: okay keli1, I was wondering because the slaves of John Randolph of Charlotte Co., VA are listed by "surnames" on the 1846 Freedom Papers. that was the first time I had seen enslaved people with surnames other than the master while still enslaved.
AYWalton: Well I had better run, folks. Company coming over. Have a great day everyone.
keli1: one stone said Ben Creasy 1832
daviss: later AY
alt: take care AYWalton
Selma: I have to run folks..have a great day
vkn: I visited slave portion of Memory Hill cemetery in Milledgeville GA but no names just a section of the grounds
alt: you too Selma
vkn: I visited slave portion of memory hill cemetery in Milledgeville GA but no names just a section of the grounds specified as slaves burials
keli1: it was an emotional thing for me, and hard to handle, I didn't know I was standing in the middle of it, but wasn't scared, just overwhelmed and didn't know why, then she told me
alt: darn it, Khathu got away before I could ask him a question about MRTC
daviss: Is that where your ancestors are buried vkn?
vkn: Yes Daviss
daviss: what is MRTC?
alt: Many Rivers To Cross
vkn: My question as well Daviss
jhonora: Cemetery preservation is really needed, I hear stories form time to time about different parts of our state where companies demolish graveyards
vkn: ohhh ok cutesy I stand informed alt
alt: this is especially true where former rural areas have been suburbanized jhonora
keli1: I agree Jhonora...I hear the whispers in cemeteries, love them
daviss: I guess I must be the only person in the world that liked the last episode alt
alt: not so daviss, I liked it too
jhonora: For the cemetery where my maternal grandmother's people are, I usually call the councilman who sends the jail trustees out to cut the grass
vkn: Who is the fellow Emory/Emery who provides so much leadership re cemetery preservation from TX?
daviss: Mike, my one s Davis cousin
keli1: I liked it Daviss...very familiar
daviss: ok keli1 that was also my thinking
keli1: it was not my favorite though
daviss: which one was yours
vkn: Well he has been at it for years and doing a great job as far as I can tell Daviss. He started with AfriGeneas
alt: what was the name of the Hurricane that "tore up" the Black cemetery in Princeville, NC several years back?
keli1: was that Isabell?
daviss: he drove through here about a month ago vkn but I did not get to see him. I was full of that nasty cold
alt: can't remember keli1, but I have ancestors who were buried in the cemetery..
keli1: I tend to like the era of 1850-1870
jhonora: I guess that overall, the sporadic nature of these documentaries like MRTC is not to my liking.
vkn: BTW Barnetta was in Atlanta over the Thanx for giving but too cold for her to venture out. David Paterson did stop in for a few. Is much improved
jhonora: They skim over a lot of things and then randomly (or maybe not) pick detailed examples
alt: wonderful to hear David is doing better, sorry you and Barnetta couldn't get together
keli1: one of these days I would like to see a documentary on just family folk! not associated with anyone famous in a community, there are so many stories to be told
alt: I guess that's the nature of those series jhonora.. covering such a time span it would be difficult to stay with any one story line for the whole series.
vkn: Sounds like a project to be developed keli1
daviss: I agree with that keli1 and as quiet as its kept because their are so many stories to tell I am not going to bash what is presented. I find I tend to learn something new each time
alt: me too daviss
vkn: So glad that the margaret Garner story was highlighted
keli1: correct, I am not questioning -so grateful for what has come forth, it might also be the timing as well, USA can only grasp so much at one time
jhonora: I'm going to run you all ... take care!
vkn: People are still unresolved as to Garner motivation
alt: I couldn't relate , Kwanzaa, Soul Train & the Cosby Show as being "integral" until MRTC.
keli1: we could take a block in a community and have a fabulous story time
vkn: I still have a difficulty alt
daviss: so true
keli1: Art, it was Rivers that had to be crossed
alt: true keli1, almost any block, anywhere right, not a River, but Rivers
vkn: I kinda got lost on the soul train section
daviss: yes vkn but the new generation may have difficulty with The Cotton Club
vkn: True that daviss
daviss: they have a new way of wearing their hair lol
keli1: but it was a moment that hit and was highlighted and changed a lot of peoples lives
alt: I think he was showing the mass popularity of Black Youngsters akin to Dick Clark’s American Bandstand
vkn: I finally got it alt but not without struggling
daviss: lol vkn
alt: and there was no Kwanzaa prior to the 70's, right?
keli1: well I need to run...time for some dancing soup!
daviss: lol keli1 take care
vkn: Good session today
keli1: Thanks you all have a good day!
alt: oh, oh, time for me to go play some football .. laters y'all
daviss: ok take care all
vkn: laters daviss, Keli1 & alt