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Re: Taylor - Lower Muscogee
In Response To: Re: Taylor - Lower Muscogee ()

You said:
I have researched the Indian side of my family as far back as it would go. The suspicion is that William Taylor, my ancestor, along with his wife, Mary Hampton, had to lie about his heritage in order to remain in Georgia. If he isnt found on any rolls, which he may be, this is probably the reason.

My reply:
"Probably" is not a good enough reason to assume anything about your ancestors. There was no reason to hide Indian ancestry in the south. Thousands of families live throughout the south and their ancestral records clearly show them to be of Indian descent. I recently had the priviledge of viewing the genealogy of Stedman Graham (Oprah's long-time partner). His ancestral records, recorded in the southeastern portion of North Carolina, show his family to be of Indian and African heritage. They, along with many other families, openly and notoriously proclaimed themselves to be Indians and NOTHING bad happened to them. This mythology about hatred of Indians in the south has got to end. The people of the south didn't hate Indians. The governments of the southern states were jealous of tribal sovereignty. Their goal was remove the tribal governments. That meant removing the majority of the tribal people as well. But provisions were made in ALL of the treaties with the Five Civilized Tribes that Indians of good character (their words, not mine) could remain. In the 1840s the state of Georgia even went so far as to allow Indians remaining to be legally declared as white by the state Legislature. Does that sound a people who hate Indians? No, that sounds like a people who are willing to accept Indians as equals. The southern states were widely populated by Indians besides the Five Civilized Tribes. Those tribal groups, such as the Lumbee, Waccamaw, Pedee, Santee, Tuscarora, Jena Choctaw, Missippi Choctaw, Tunica/Biloxi, Chitimacha, Chickahominy, Pamunkey, Nansemond among many others, were never asked to leave the southern states. Why you might ask? Because they were subjugated by war, disease and famine very early in the U.S. history. By the time of the 1840s they no longer exercised any form of tribal sovereignty. The people of the south barely took notice of them, except to intermarry with them, which is itself a sign that they were not hated.

You said:
It saddens me to think though, that rather than embracing thier lost brothers and sisters, the Creek Nation would rather shun any member who may be the ancestor of a war torn orphan. What of the children that were left without fathers after the red sticks? What of the mother who re-married white in order to save her children. What of the Creek people that decided NOT to take the government's assistance, and remain HOME by adopting a European name or converting thier own.
(i.e. Tay Lor to Taylor)

My reply:
Prove that you are a Creek and then tell the Creek Nation has shunned you. Prove that you ancestral name was "Tay Lor" and then turned into Taylor. Then prove that "Tay Lor" is Creek and not French. The Creek Nation is not shunning you. They don't even know you exist. When you prove that you are a Creek descendant, perhaps then you will hit their radar screen. Until there is proof that a remnant of the Creek Nation exists, as with the Atmore Creeks in Alabama, you have no right to accuse the Creek Nation of shunning you.

You said:
I live within 5 miles of and fish from the Ocmulgee River still TODAY. Thats right. Its an actual river. This is a river named by the Creeks, but many of the so called "Federal Creeks" have never even seen it. And my grandfather lived on this river, and his grandfather, and his grandfather.

My reply:
Tracing your ancestry back to your great great great grandfather puts your family at the Ocmulgee River about the time the whites took it from the Creeks. Sounds like something very different than you are implying. And the arrogance you exhibit in comdemning those you call "Federal Creeks" for never having seen that river is nothing short of insulting and uncalled for. The Creek people (those who can prove Creek ancestry) were the victims of a heinous crime. I suppose you blame women for being raped too.

You said:
Down another branch of my Family Tree, there was a Lower Creek town on my family's land named "Ochee Town". Maybe you have heard of it. Reubin Thompson inherited this land and the town's inhabitants with it after his fight in the revolutionary war. The creeks remained on this land after the war and integrated into the family.

My reply:
Prove the people living on that land were Creeks. Prove that those people, if they were Creeks, intermarried into YOUR family. If they were Creeks then at least some of them came west. Show us where you are related to Creek people living in the Creek Nation today. Interestingly enough, the Atmore Creeks in Alabama can show blood kinship to Creek families living in Oklahoma. Go figure. They must really be Creeks or the Creeks of Oklahoma must really be fakes. You do the math.

You said:
these facts are from only a few of the documents i have found so far.

My reply:
The facts you have presented DO NOT prove you have Creek ancestry. They only prove that your ancestors were living on land once occupied by the Creeks. The facts you presented sound like your ancestors were taking land from the Creeks.

You said:
The ORIGINAL Ocmulgee Mississipian Mounds are within 15 minutes of my home. I visit the mounds a few times every year. When i'm there, i feel at home. If my ancestors decided to stay on the CREEK, rather than be shipped out to PASTURE, i'm glad.

My reply:
Again, your statements are insulting. But they are nothing new. White people have been taking from the Indian people from the day they set foot on our shores. You should feel at home here. Possession is 9/10th of the law.

You said:
I'm proud of who i am, and who my grandfathers were, and i feel saddened at the thought of the Creek Nation shunning the 'outsiders' who chose to remain in thier rightful home.

My reply:
You [should] be proud of who you are and stop trying to be something you are not.


18 Dec 2002 :: 14 Nov 2008
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