Thanks for the photo. I have seen this one and a family group, that is probably pictured on many sites. BUT where is a color portrait. I am trying to find a picture/portrait of family or Zeb and see if RED HAIR runs in the family. New cousins said he owned slaves and the gruncle of hours had red hair like a Irishman and was large and tall. A family member had a book about old Zeb and she always stated he was the OWNER of the Vance members of my tree. I have not been able to get photo's of this new lost cousin's of mine, because we just recently connected. That seems to be my problem. The seniors who have pictures, don't know how to scan and email, and don't remember to have their members to take a cell phone picture and email me. It is so frustrating. My grgrandmother only had about 4 pictures of herself and sisters together. The other members of my family, for some silly reason don't want to share. AAAHHHH!