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AfriGeneas Discuss! Forum Archive 2

Re: Female ~ sexist ?
In Response To: Re: Female ~ sexist ? ()

You said "I do think that if women ruled the world it would be a more peaceful place. Historically most wars have been started by men." History does not bear witness to that statement. First, the statement would lead one to believe that when Congress passes legislation funding wars, women absent themselves from the vote. Second, the statement discounts women warriors such as Joan of Arc, Queen Boudicca/Boudicia, Lozen of the Apaches, and others.

My response - I would never take away from the women who have fought throughout history. There were many, however I did not say that women did NOT start wars historically. Maybe I am biased. In my lifetime I have seen more men start wars than women and I still believe that there would be less wars if women were ruling countries now.

You said "....if Hillary Clinton was president now, we might already be at war with Iran....." That may be true, but we wouldn't be at war with Iran as Americans. If Hilary Clinton were president right now, Chinese would be the national language.

My response - Clinton is working under Obama now and has to reflect his style but if she was President now I don't believe she would hesitate to start a war. :|

You said "he emailed me back asking me if I was black and I told him yes. Then this young man dissapeared off the face of this earth..........There was guilt all within his email. To me that was racism." Maybe it was prejudice. I don't think it rose to the level of racism, though.

My response - According to Merrim Webster dictionary the definition of racism is

1. a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherint superiority of a particular race
2. racial prejudice or descrimination

According to this definition it was racist. Now maybe he did conveniently "get busy" after he determined I was black but I have a very hard time believing that.

You said "I am sure there are still disproportionately more white men in higher positons than blacks, Latino's and women. In that case, to many, white men represent the highest level of achievement. In my opinion, when Ms Sotomayor made that statement, she was saying you can be better than the best, the best being white men." I do not accept that as a defense for a person who seeks to sit on the highest court in the land. There is no wiggle room when it comes to meteing out justice. The statement SHE made was racist.

My reply - I was referring to another statement but the statement I believe you are referring to is

"I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life."

My response - Yes according to the definition of racism this statement sounds racist to me. But then Ms Sotomayor goes on to explain her remarks.

"To understand takes time and effort, something that not all people are willing to give. For others, their experiences limit their ability to understand the experiences of others. Other simply do not care," Sotomayor said in 2001. "Hence, one must accept the proposition that a difference there will be by the presence of women and people of color on the bench. Personal experiences affect the facts that judges choose to see. My hope is that I will take the good from my experiences and extrapolate them further into areas with which I am unfamiliar. I simply do not know exactly what that difference will be in my judging. But I accept there will be some based on my gender and my Latina heritage."

My response - Her explanation sounds more like one of possible bias to me but not racist. Arent we all biased in some way based on our personal life experinces. Our ethnicity, gender, where we grew up, our families, education. The totality of all of our experinces up to this point in life affect how we view things and make decisions. It does not make one persons's decision better than anyone elses but it doesn't change the fact that how we interpret situations is to some extent affected by the total sum of all of our experiences. I could try to put my self in the shoes of a black man but I'll never what it's like to walk in their shoes. :O

AH

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Query ~ Blacks with racial thinking
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Racism Vs Prejudice
Re: Racism Vs Prejudice
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Query ~ Hispanic Race
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Haitians ~ French speaking
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Hispanic Culture
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Racist means what ?
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Racism Defined ?
Judge Sonia Sotomayor ~ views
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Misinformed or Misled ?
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Racism Defined ~ your view ?
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Re: Racism Defined ~ Merriam Webster
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Female ~ sexist ?
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Hispanic Culture
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18 Dec 2002 :: 14 Nov 2008
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