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Re: Redman/Warrick of Loudoun Co., VA

Dear Nicole,

John Redman and Cassie's list of children is probably not complete. The children whom I can list are: George W. Redman (who married Mary E. _____), John Redman (do not know his wife), Abraham Warrick (do not know wife), and Eleanor Warrick (who married Enos Monteith). Some sources list a son, Lucien, but that might be a confusion with the son of George W. Redman. George's son, Lucien, may have just been named after the brother of George W., however. This seems plausible since Eleanor's family carried on the given name of "Lucien", also. George W. Redman's descendants used the surnames of both Redman and Warrick as did the descendants of Abraham Warrick. Eleanor's daughter, Eleanor Monteith, married a Newton and named her first child "John Redman Newton". Her descendants passed down the same story about the meeting of John Redman and Cassie. Abraham's chidren included Wilson, Middleton, Craven, and others. I am having to do all of this from memory, as my records are all crated up out of the reach of flood waters during the hurricane season. I live on the Potomac River and ever since my first floor was flooded by Hurricane Isabel about three years ago, I have had a number of close calls and have to keep my files high enough to be out of the way of any more flood waters until the threat is over. This year, Tropical Storm Ernesto brought the river around my house again and within 3 inches of coming in my front door!

The reason that some of Cassie's children used the surname of Warrick is that she and John Redman could not have actually married. It would have been illegal at that time. Cassie used her mother's married name of Warrick since her mother had an apparent legal marriage to Peter Warrick, who was at one time a slave of Israel Thompson. Israel Thompson was the employer of John Redman and apparently a close friend of the Redman family. Cassie's chilren used both the name of their father, John Redman, as well as the name used by their mother, Warrick. Some even used the surname of Cassie's real father and former master, George W. Fairfax.

I am sure that there must be an actual marriage record for an Andrew Redman/Redmond and a Mary Stephens, daughter of Robert Stephens of NJ. I wanted to know the correct location of the marriage because there are three locations listed on Ancestry.com: Loudoun County (VA), Haddonfield Friends Meeting (NJ), and Christ Church (Philadelphia, PA). If the marriage was in NJ or PA, there would be a problem of determining if the Andrew Redman was the same Andrew Redman who was in Loudoun County, VA. This could easily be the case of two people by the same name. It would also be a problem in determining why John Redman was claimed by most to have been an Indian. If his father, Andrew Redman, was born in VA, the Indian blood would likely be through William Redman and his wife, Catherine Elkins, both of Indian blood. Andrew named his first son, William, and there were other grandchildren (Grigsby family) of William Redman who lived in the same vicinity of Loudoun County where Andrew Redman lived. This would also explain why Enos Monteith was acquainted with Cassie's daughter, Eleanor, as Enos was a multiple cousin of the descendants of William Redman, as well as being a great grandnephew of William Redman. Therefore, it is important in determining how it is known that Andrew Redman of Loudoun Co., VA, was the same Andrew who married Mary Stephens, daughter of Robert Stephens of NJ, in 1737.

I would be grateful for your valid source of the marriage of Andrew Redman and Mary Stephens and any other info that you may have in determining that Mary Stephens' husband, Andrew Redman, is the same Andrew Redman of Loudoun Co., VA.

Bill

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