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Re: Redman UGRR connections
In Response To: Re: Redman UGRR connections ()

Nicole,

That Harrison Co. 1840 census that you quoted for Solomon Bruce is actually Hardy Co. Somehow, Ancestry.com has combined Hardy and Harrison County and labeled the data set as Harrison Co. in the indexing process and in posting the images. I have reported this problem to Ancestry.com several times over the last year or so, but it remains unfixed. You can separate the counties by knowing that Jared Williams was the Hardy Co. census taker and on some of the images you can see "Hardy Co." written down the left margin of the page.

I've only ever seen one Solomon Bruce in the Hardy Co. records. He is named in Abraham Vanmeter's will as one of Joe and Sarah Bruce's children who is to remain with Elizabeth Vanmeter until her death, and no Solomon Bruce appears in the personal property tax lists until after her death. From Abraham and Elizabeth Vanmeter's wills and estate papers, I have the first and last names of all of their slaves. The Bruce family was comprised of Joe and Sarah Bruce and their children. The only other family mentioned were the Gray family. By the time Elizabeth Vanmeter died, one of Solomon’s brothers had also died (Andrew died in 1836). Andrew was one of the children who went free at Abraham Vanmeter’s death, he was not left enslaved with Elizabeth. Elizabeth mentions Andrew’s two sons in her will, Daniel and Hannibal Bruce. Andrew’s wife was Jane Lett; they were married on 23 Aug 1832 in Hardy Co. She had not remarried as of the 1870 Hardy Co. census when she is living with her son Hannibal.

Solomon Bruce’s wife in 1850 was Jane and he didn't have a wife in 1860. Barnet Redman disappears between the 1850 and 1860 census. Nellie Redman is 70 years old and enumerated alone in 1860 census with some of their children. According to the ages in the census records, Barnet Redman and his wife Nellie were at least 10 years older than Solomon Bruce.

From Andrew Jackson Bruce's death record in Greene Co., PA you found that he died in 1893 at age 69 (placing his birth about 1824) and the death record stated that his father was Solomon Bruce and his mother Ellen Redman. This evidence tells me that Jane may have been Solomon Bruce's second wife, since the children enumerated in 1850 with Solomon Bruce and Jane have birth dates starting about 1840 which corresponds with when Solomon Bruce gained his freedom. You are saying that this Andrew Jackson Bruce is the same as Jackson and Andrew Redman in Barnet and Nellie Redman’s household in 1850 and 1860. However, the Jackson Redman in 1850 has a birth year of about 1832 and Andrew Redman in 1860 census has a birth year of about 1835. There’s about a ten year difference in age between Andrew Jackson Bruce born about 1824, and Andrew and Jackson Redman born about 1832 and 1835.

Thinking along the lines of Andrew Jackson Bruce also using the surname of Redman: This Andrew Jackson Bruce/Redman was born about 1824 according to his age given on the death certificate you found in Greene Co., PA. In 1824 Solomon Bruce was still a slave of Elizabeth Vanmeter. Any children he had with a woman named Ellen Redman were free because she was probably free (since with very few exceptions, the Redman were all free in Hardy Co.). To distinguish themselves as free, these children most likely used the surname of Redman, at least until Solomon gained his freedom. A few months back I saw a man in Hardy Co. records who seemed to be switching back and forth between using the surname of Redman and Bruce. He was also born in the 1820’s as I recall.

To answer your question about Jacob Clifford. I'm not sure what your whole question was and which message it was in - but I think I remember you were asking if Jacob was the father of Isaac Clifford born about 1824 who had three wives and lived in Hardy/Grant Co. from the mid-1840's to the time of his death in 1898. I don't have enough evidence yet to be able to say whether it was Jacob or one of his brothers who was Isaac's father.

John Redman, the Rev War pensioner of Hardy Co., was married to Sarah Days. This is explained in his pension file in the M804 microfilm series at NARA. The pension file only names Nimrod as his only son, but I think this is because the children named in the personal property tax lists were either dead or had left the area by the time it was necessary to bring children into the issue of the pension. From the personal property tax lists of Hardy Co., the other children are Lucy, Moses, Reuben, Rachel. Moses and Reuben disappear from the personal property tax lists in 1816 and 1815 respectively, many years before John Redman filed his pension application.

Hope this helps,
Jane

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