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Re: Redman UGRR connections
In Response To: Re: Redman UGRR connections ()

Hi Jane :)

> The only place I have found where it mentions that Barnet Redman married
> Solomon Bruce's wife "Nellie" is in: M. Bransom and W.A. Davison.
> "Early African American Life in Waynesburg Greene County, Pennsylvania".
> Indiana, PA: A.G. Halldin Publishing Co., Inc. 2002, pg. 29
> Note that Bransom and Davison say Barnet Redman married Solomon Bruce's wife.
> And they state that Solomon Bruce was married to Eleanor "Ellen or Nellie" Lett
> when he moved from Hardy to Greene Co.

Well then, I respectfully disagree with them :)

> It's looking to me like there were two Nellie,
> one the wife of Solomon Bruce and one the wife of Barnet Redman.

No I don't think so ... as I said before my interpretation
is that there are 2 different Solomon BRUCE.

Andrew Jackson BRUCE=BRUSE (son of Solomon BRUCE & Nellie=Elenor=Ellen LETT)
was sometimes called Andrew Jackson REDMAN which indicates his mother's
2nd marriage to Barnet REDMAN=REDMOND, Sr.

Here are the census records where you can see that the children define the family group.

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#1 Solomon BRUCE n=abt.1805 m=Jane (unknown)

* 1840 Census of VA,Harrison-Co enumerated by Jared J. WILLIAMS
which included these FPOC heads of household:
LITTLE Susan with 1F@36-54 & 1F@0-10)
KENT Evan with 1M@55-99 & 3M@10-24 & 2M@0-10 & 1F@36-54 & 5F@10-24 & 1F@0-10
BRUCE Charles with 1M@36-54 & 3M@10-24 & 1F@55-99 & 1F@36-54 & 2F@24-35
BRUCE Jocob with 1M@36-54 & 1F@36-54 & 2F@10-24
BRUCE Hannibal with 1M@24-35 & 1M@0-10 & 1F@55-99 & 2F@24-35
BRUCE Solomon with 1M@24-35 & 2F@36-54 & 2F@10-24;

All of the above were on the same page &
are names I have seen mentioned in connection with the VanMETER slaves.

* 1850/10/17-22 Census for Black & Mulatto Individuals of WVA,Hardy-Co,district#23
enumerated by C. B. MULLINS line#49 dwell#1245 fam#1258:
blk n=VA 45 BRUCE Solomon occ=labourer
mul n=VA 24 BRUCE Jane
mul n=VA 10 BRUCE Susan E.
mul n=VA 08 BRUCE Martha E.
mul n=VA 06 BRUCE Mary
mul n=VA 03 BRUCE Catherine
mul n=VA 01 BRUCE Andrew H.
mul n=VA 61 LITTLE Susan
mul n=VA 39 LITTLE Harriet;

In the above census Solomon's brothers Hannibal & Jacob live nearby.

1860/09/06 Census of PA,Greene-Co,Perry-Twp,Mt.Morris-PO
enumerated by B. F. ARMSTRONG p54 line#14 dwell#357 fam#363:
blk n=VA 51 BRUCE Solomon occ=blacksmith value=$200
blk n=VA 18 BRUCE Susan
blk n=VA 17 BRUCE Martha E.
blk n=VA 15 BRUCE Mary L.
blk n=VA 13 BRUCE Eliza
blk n=VA 12 BRUCE Andrew
mul n=VA 10 BRUCE Rebecca
blk n=VA 09 BRUCE George W.
mul n=VA 06 BRUCE Charles
blk n=VA 73 LITTLE Susan;

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#2 Solomon BRUCE m=Nellie=Elenor=Ellen LETT with 2 known children:
Margaret BRUCE n=abt.1822
Andrew Jackson BRUCE=BRUSE n=abt.1830

Then his widow Nellie=Elenor=Ellen LETT remarried to Barnet REDMAN=REDMOND, Sr.

* 1850 Census of PA,Greene-Co,Franklin p260 dwell#192 fam#193:
mul M n=VA 58 REDMAN Barnet occ=laborer
mul F n=VA 50 REDMAN Elenor
mul F n=VA 28 REDMAN Margaret (note: Margaret BRUCE-REDMAN)
mul M n=VA 18 REDMAN Jackson (note: Andrew JACKSON BRUCE-REDMAN)
mul F n=VA 14 REDMAN Catherine
mul F n=PA 12 REDMAN Ruth
mul F n=PA 08 REDMAN Elenor
mul M n=PA 06 REDMAN Barnet
mul F n=PA 05 REDMAN Rachel
mul M n=PA 03 REDMAN Arther;

* 1860 Census of PA,Greene-Co,Franklin p208 house#1458:
mul F n=VA 70 REDMAN Nellie occ=washerwoman
mul F n=MD 30 REDMAN Margaret (note: Margaret BRUCE-REDMAN)
mul M n=PA 25 REDMAN Andrew (note: Andrew Jackson BRUCE-REDMAN)
mul F n=PA 22 REDMAN Catherine (note: m=Joseph James WORKMAN)
mul F n=PA 20 REDMAN Ruth
mul F n=PA 18 REDMAN Ellen
mul M n=PA 16 REDMAN Barnet;

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If you look at Andrew's obituary again, you will see that it mentioned
"Mrs. Joseph WORKMAN are half-brothers & sisters of the deceased."

Here is Catherine's obituary ...

1932/02 Obituary in the `Democrat Messenger':
"Catherine (REDMAN) WORKMAN @92 widow of James WORKMAN, died today at 4:45pm
in her home, West Elm Street. Mrs. WORKMAN was the daughter of Barney & Nellie REDMAN
of PA,Uniontown but she spent most of her life in PA,Greene-Co,Waynesburg.
She is survived by 1 daughter, Nellie, at home & 3 grandchildren:
Fred BIGGS of PA,Waynesburg &
Ida McDONALD of PA,Waynesburg &
John McDONALD of PA,Pittsburgh.
Funeral services will be held from the 'Hoge & Garrison Funeral Home', Thursday at 2pm.
The Rev. G. B. DUFF of the Bethel AME Church will be in charge.
Interment will be in the Greenmount-Cemetery".

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> mentioned that an Andrew Jackson Bruce's death certificate says his mother's name was Nellie.
> Can you tell me where this death certificate is filed? I'd love to obtain a copy of it for my files.

I found this info quite a number of years ago & my method of recording things has improved since then.
My notes show that back then I wrote:

1893/05/04 PA,Greene-Co Death Register: "007 01 BRUSE, Andrew - colored male @69
(father=Solomon BRUCE mother=Ellen REDMOND m=VA,Hardy-Co occ=laborer
d=04 Mar 1893 PA,Greene-Co,Waynesburg at Richhill Street cause=suffered heart disease 1 year
buried=PA,Greene-Co,Green-Mount-Cemetery".

So knowing what I do now I would have more precisely defind which death register I was talking about.
If you want to follow up on this, I can suggest 3 possible leads:

- try the funeral home records for record #007 01
- try the cemetery records for plot#7 grave#1 (recommend you try this first)
- try the PA,Green-Co vital statistics for book#7 page#1.

> We need some more evidence to sort this out.

I hope this info has helped :)

I would appreciate it if you could please reply to these questions:

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> The Solomon Bruce who was freed by Abraham Vanmeter in Hardy Co.
> I can give you the citations for the wills and estate papers if you need them.

Yes please, I would appreciate that info.

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> Barnet Redman predeceased Solomon Bruce.

Can you please give me Barnet's death info ?

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Jane, you did not reply to the question about Jacob CLIFFORD &
I just wanted to check if it was because you forgot or because you don't know ?

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Also I know you have researched the American Revolutionary war Veteran John REDMAN (FPOC).
Could you please tell me all the children (and spouses) you have for him ?

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Thanks for sharing info :)

NICOLE

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