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Re: South Carolina Egyptians - F.P.O.C.?
By:Raymond <Show E-Mail>
Date: 8/21/2012, 2:09 pm
In Response To: Re: South Carolina Egyptians - F.P.O.C.? (James Griffith)

Greeting to you all. I would like to say that although I do not claim to deny any of the information regarding the Bolton's family (as I have Boltons in my family), I would like to say that there were indeed Egytptians and Moroccans in SC (and other states as well). There is documentation and references that they were brought here with the Spanish (both slave and free) due to the battles between the Moroccan and Ottoman Empires. This is the same timeframe that the Moors were defeated and kicked out of Europe - 1492.

The POW's were taken to the Americas and sold as "negros" (as were the Arawaks when they were taken to Spain and Africa; there are African communities with Native American genetics identified today due to that admixture). They ended up throughout the SE USA as far up as TN. When the British defeated the Spanish, there is documentation that these same persons were taken to US colonies and mixed in with the local population. Fast forward to 1776 where these same Moors petitioned for their freedom from slavery and the "negro laws" and won. The result was the Moors Sundry Act of 1776 and a Friendship Treaty between Morocco and the US.

When the "one-drop-rule" was enacted in the 20th century, Walter Plecker had the vital statistics office change classification on all vital records (birth, marriage, and death) without the knowledge of the people. Therefore, when you search vital records, they may not be accurate. Also, The census takers filled out the information and classified you as they determined (historical fact that the "minorities" did not self-identify on census records until later). Therefore, Egyptians, Moroccans, and Native Americans were all classified as "black", "mulatto", "negro", or "colored". Also, the fields for where the parents were born was not manipulated; therefore, if that field says anywhere other than Africa or USA, it would be accruate though not accepted by the slave owners or their descendants.

My ancestry comprises of all these and Bantu (most likely Cabinda, Angola; though it could be Bassa or Bamileke of Cameroon). Even though this is the truth of our ancestry, the census does not classify us as such. DNA tests have confirmed the ancestry thus proving the census inaccurate as history suggest that it could be. Only a DNA test coupled with family stories AND the records can one truely know.

So, in conclusion, there were indeed Egyptians, Moroccans (Berbers and Arabs), Syrians, Indians (from India; they are the only "Indians") et al in the US and Caribbean as slaves and free people as far back as 1492 (some were here prior to that, but that's another topic). The Spanish thought the Arawaks in SC were Cherokees until the Creeks told them that they weren't. This would explain why many people think they have Cherokee ancestry. This is also why many "civilized" tribes deveolped blood quantum laws as directed by the government. Research the "negro laws" and find out why it's important for us to understand the whole story. "Negros" were never to be free or made citizens (famous court case overturned that).

Thank you all for your time.

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