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Re: Adjuntas/Ponce/haciendas/African/Taino

Hey there, Chris... :-)

Thx for the links. I was pondering something. My mom's family came from the Adjuntas/Ponce area... and area connected by a wide commercial road... "El Camino Real (The Royal Road)". Now, given the history of THAT specific area of Puerto Rico... many ppl travelled up and down on a dialy basis. Taking some wild educated guesses here... I wonder WHY did they pick lots of L1b's to work the land. Could it be the TYPE of coffee that was grown tended to be arabic/ethiopian coffee? Just a passing thought. Or, maybe it is just as simple as that Africans and Tainos were picked according to their skills and fortées?

The book by Guillermo Baralt: "Buena Vista- Life and Work on a Puerto Rican Plantation" opened my eyes to a LOT of info. My mom's family all come from that hacienda thing and they lived in the same area as B.V. I took the book as a sort of historical template by which to compare my data. I sat down with my mom who is 74 and she pointed out that everything she was looking at was part of their daily routine. So, basically the haciendas in this area (at least) followed similar histories. In adjuntas there are a lot of C's and L1b's. C's are from the Amazon Basin and B.V. was owned by a Venezuelan Spaniard. Seems like Ponce (South of Adjuntas) was a major port for those coming off the South Ameircan coast. Another wild educated guess could be that, perhaps, many slaves of Taino and African origin may have come from South American ports and not just the Caribbean.

Endogamy was also being practiced in these places (fact based on family historical accounts) and that Africans and Tainos had been intermingling since the days of the first Conquest... the so-called "cimarrones", who escaped detection for quite some time.

As a side note... in that same area... Tainos from Mona Island were transplanted to this area after having been separated from the colonisers for almost a few hundred years. The suddenly appeared in a Spanish census of the island around 1797... some 2,000 of them.

My questions are geared here towards uncovering the African root of this area... as in doing so... other hidden historical processes will come to light. I know of L1b in this area... but as far as oral accounts... many words and phrases were used in daily life... "fulano/fulana de tal" being one... and the usage of words like "agayu" (describing someone who is in a bellicose state) or "chango" (foolish acting)... both words clearly references to the Yoruba deities of the same names. This may be another hg branch altogether... but, it is there.

Just having some ruminations on this cold december evening.

Hope all of you are doing well! Stay warm and stay blessed.

Ali :-)

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