Thanks for the reply ~ it is definately one of my brick walls.
IThank you for pointing out Francis as a possible connection.

I have tried to make that Arundel connection many times with no luck. I have connected at Ancestry with a MANNS from Arundel and we tried ideas back and forth.

I have photos of Samuel W.C. Manns and I know he lived in Baltimore Maryland. About a month ago I found a THOMAS and I believe several additional CHARLES names that were in the 1860 census with their names spelled MANO. It seemed to fit age wise.

No one in the family ever spoke about Arundel. In fact, other than the brothers and sisters they never spoke of anyone older than WE MANNS.
I'll do some searching and again ~ your help was/is grately appreciated.