Topic: Land Records/General Research
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The topic is: African Ancestry
[dldgreen] Hello All!
[kiatte] Hi
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[dldgreen] We're glad you could make it. Please, make yourself comfortable.
- We'll just wait on a few more.
[kiatte] I am...feet prop'd up...boys fed...laundry done
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[DavidasMom] Hi.
[kiatte] Hi
[dldgreen] Awright now! Sounds like you are. The plan is talk a bit about
- land records to end the topic, and then get into general research.
[kiatte] have not had sucess with land records
[dldgreen] Hi DavidasMom. We were just getting comfy, waiting on a few
- others to join...
[DavidasMom] That's fine. (c:
[dldgreen] Kiatte, is there any issue in particular we can discuss?
[kiatte] my land records seem to be non existant
[kiatte] my surnames are also common
[kiatte] very common
[kiatte] and i am probaly not approaching it the right way
[dldgreen] Oh..how are you approaching it?
[kiatte] looking at the census...using neighbors...and then to the
- courthouse to go through the land records
[dldgreen] Have you tried examining the property tax records for the names,
- even tho they are common?
[kiatte] have not tried that
[dldgreen] The tax records should be available for each year. If your folks
- owned property, property tax should have been paid.
[kiatte] ok....that was easy
[dldgreen] Also, try the estate records for the deceased ones. Sometimes
- they make reference to deeds or plats or land sales...
[dldgreen] DavidasMom, any issues or questions you have related to land
- records?
[kiatte] ok
[DavidasMom] No, not yet. I guess I don't know enough to ask anything yet.
[dldgreen] Kiatte, estate records should have been probate records...
[kiatte] in Louisiana...that is what they are "probate"
[dldgreen] The estate records should be a part of the probate file.
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[Afrigeneas] System is whacko this evening
[dldgreen] Hello Afrigeneas! We were just discussing our guests' land
- records issues.
[Afrigeneas] I was booted to the core of the Apple!
[dldgreen] Welcome back!
[DavidasMom] lol
[kiatte] wb
[Afrigeneas] Thankee
[Afrigeneas] Did all get the log?
[kiatte] yes
[Afrigeneas] Very good
[dldgreen] Afrig, I haven't check my mail recently...
[Afrigeneas] Ok
[dldgreen] DavidasMom, what can we help yo with?
[dldgreen] yo=you
[DavidasMom] Anything you tell me will be a help. I'm not able to check any
- court records yet.
[Afrigeneas] Yes one and all jump in!
[kiatte] where are you researching?
[dldgreen] Well, give us a direction to go in. What is one research goal
- you'd like to obtain and what have you done to achieve it?
[DavidasMom] My family is from PA, VA, KY, Jamaica, and Barbados.
[kiatte] good ?
[Afrigeneas] Court Records and what type may be found
[Afrigeneas] Appeals
[Afrigeneas] Judgement decrees
[Afrigeneas] Estate Dockets
[Afrigeneas] Executors
[kiatte] conveyance
[Afrigeneas] Guardianship Dockets
[Afrigeneas] Indexes
[Afrigeneas] Minute Books
[Afrigeneas] Order Books
[DavidasMom] Two of my greatgrandfathers owned land, one in Va, the other in
- KY. The VA land is still in the family.
[Afrigeneas] are among the most common.
Afrigeneas] I am done just wanted to get that on the record.
[dldgreen] DavidasMom, I am not researching any of those states. However...
[dldgreen] it appears that VA has excellent records, so long as yours is not
- a "burned" county.
[dldgreen] Have you the desire to know where that land that is still in the
- family originated?
[DavidasMom] Most certainly!
[dldgreen] As in "who bought it first?"
[DavidasMom] Family history says G'grandpa was son of the man who owned him.
[dldgreen] What time frame did gr-grandpa live in?
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[DavidasMom] I don't know if his mother, step-father, or he himself acquired
- the land.
[Afrigeneas] Welcome Jeter!
[dldgreen] Welcome Jeter. We're discussing DavidasMom's issue of finding
- where land originated in her family. Make yourself comfy and jump in at
- any time...
[DavidasMom] gr-grandpa lived from 1850s through 1930s.
[jeter] Hello, all!
[kiatte] Hi jeter
[dldgreen] Well, let's start with gr-grandpa's death. Have you determined
- if a will and/or probate package exists?
[dldgreen] It should tell what he owned and give an idea of its distribution.
[DavidasMom] No, there was no will. It went to his four sons--heired
- property.
[DavidasMom] Now there's a bunch of us who own it.
[dldgreen] Look for the deed that passed the land from gr-grandpa to those 4
- sons. Occassionally, the deed may make reference to...
[dldgreen] whomever owned it previously. For example...
[dldgreen] "tract a, previously deed to Jim Smith as evidenced by the deed
- dated 1/4/1856 recorded on Book A page 14"...
[dldgreen] The idea would be to trace land ownership backwards to get to the
- initial sale into your family.
[DavidasMom] I'd probably have to go to Lunenburg County Courthouse for
- that???
[dldgreen] First see if the county records are on microfilm at the Family
- History Center.
[dldgreen] If they are for the period in question, that will save you a trip.
[dldgreen] Also, check with the county historical society or state archives
- to see what records have been indexed, perhaps in a book.
[DavidasMom] Oh, okay. Back to Family History Center. Here in BR, the
- volunteers don't seem very helpful or don't know how to help.
[dldgreen] You may decide to purchase any or you may get through
- interlibrary loan..
[dldgreen] BR?
[DavidasMom] Baton Rouge, LA, where I live.
[Afrigeneas] Ohhh LOL
[kiatte] DavidasMom...that is my hometown
[DavidasMom] Have you been to FHC here?
[dldgreen] Well, are you familiar with the Family History Catalog, usually on
- CD ROM. It's fairly simple to use.
[kiatte] Yes...and i agree with you
[DavidasMom] At FHC, they refer me to the library. I can't make heads or
- tails out of FHC, and they don't or won't help.
[dldgreen] Just do a search by locality (Lunenberg County, VA). It will list
- for you all of the records the FHC has.
[dldgreen] If one is of interest, you may fill out the form to order it
- (assuming it is not already there).
[DavidasMom] Okay, don't want to apear negative, but they'll probably tell
- me they don't have the CD.
[dldgreen] Well, then, if that be the case, it certainly would be a first
- for me. That would be comparable to a library saying it does not
[dldgreen] have a card catalog!
[dldgreen] An alternative, then is to also contact the state archives to see
- what they may have for your county, and to see if you can
[Afrigeneas] Davidas perhaps we can grease the way for you
[dldgreen] get it through interlibrary loan.
[DavidasMom] I'm open to any suggestions.
[Afrigeneas] Let me give that some thought and I will emessage you after the
- chat.
[DavidasMom] Great! Thanks.
[Afrigeneas] I am wondering if anyone else has problems using FHC?
[dldgreen] Ah! That gives you a timeframe to work with. Same suggestions
- apply.
[dldgreen] Afrig, I have, depending upon the area, and knowledge of the
- volunteers. Locally, my Kensington MD branch is wonderful...
[DavidasMom] Again, family history says his dad owned him. The man I
- suspect was his dad appeared in the 1870, but not the 1880 census. They had
- the same name and my grandmother told me her dad was named for his dad.
[Afrigeneas] Thanx Damita
[dldgreen] But here in my town of Germantown, they have not a clue! They
- also have a markedly smaller, somewhat inexperienced staff.
[Afrigeneas] I see.
[jeter] here, in Oakland, CA, they are very helpful - you just have to take
- the 'student' position and be very patient.
[Afrigeneas] Jeter I understand that the Oakland FHC is quite outgoing when
- it comes to African ancestored researchers?
[dldgreen] Jeter, whatever works!
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[Afrigeneas] What is the student position?
[Afrigeneas] Hello AltaCann
[AltaCann] Good evening, all!
[dldgreen] Welcome Alta!
[kiatte] Hi
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[AltaCann] Thank you.
[dldgreen] Helloooooo jmlinzy!
[Afrigeneas] jmlinzy, hello!
[Afrigeneas] Alta did you and dudsetback connect?
[jmlinzy] Hello everyone
[jeter] Yes! There's even an African-American genealogy group that uses
- their facilities; unfortunately for me, it's when I have to work.
[Afrigeneas] Sounds like a good group to have membership in
[dldgreen] Jeter, that is wonderful that such a group is available, though
- inconvient for you!
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[jmlinzy] I am inerested in finding the last owner of my grandfather in
- culpeper county, VA
[Afrigeneas] jmlinzy do you have a suspect owner?
[dldgreen] jm, have you any clues as to who that might be?
[DavidasMom] Your grandfather was a slave? Wow!
[jmlinzy] Also, my grandmother was from orange county, VA
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[Afrigeneas] My grandfather was also a slave.
[dldgreen] Welcome Normab!
[jeter] The 'student' position is "Shut-up and listen to what I say and
- don't interrupt until I'm finished because I know and you don't."
[dldgreen] welcome back Alta...
[AltaCann] I am sorry, I was disconnected!
[Afrigeneas] Normab welcome
[Afrigeneas] MY Gf was boen in 1843 a nd died in 1894
[jmlinzy] Yes, my grandfather is minor linzy and I saw a minor Lindsay from
- VA.
[normab] Hi everyone
[DavidasMom] Gee, I thought my grandparents were old. lol
[jeter] If you can be patient, you get the info! LOL
[Afrigeneas] My mother was the 14th of his children and she was born in
- 1892
[dldgreen] Jeter, the things we put ourselves through in the name of
- genealogy..LOL!
[jmlinzy] my grandfather was born 21 May 1851
[Afrigeneas] jmlinzy what do you find on the 1860 slave schedule?
[normab] How much land research can tell you about a family?
[dldgreen] This Minor Lindsay, was he in the same or a neighboring county
- during the period just prior to or during 1870?
[dldgreen] sorry , 1870 should have been 1865.
[jmlinzy] what slave schedule?
[Afrigeneas] Oops the slave schedule with the 1860 census
[Afrigeneas] It will list all slaveholders.
[normab] How much does tax records tell you?
[Afrigeneas] and give the number, age, sec etc of the slaves.
[jmlinzy] Minor Lindsay was from orange county which incorporated culpeper
- county at an earlier date.
[DavidasMom] sec?
[Afrigeneas] sec=sex
[DavidasMom] ohhhh LOL
[jmlinzy] I have seen a 1860 Federal Census but not a slave schedule. Where
- can I find it?
[kiatte] it is at the end of the census
[dldgreen] You must request it, just like you would the census. It also is
- listed by county within the state.
[jmlinzy] cAN i GET TO IT ON-LINE?
[normab] Looking for Mississippi researchers especialy areas of Amite Co,
- Wilkersonco, Pike and Adames Co.
[dldgreen] You should be able to get both at the same place.
[Afrigeneas] There are some on line i n Afrigeneas
[Afrigeneas] if you hit the census button
[kiatte] norm...i am researching in those counties also
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[dldgreen] Good to see you , acrufield. Welcome!
[Afrigeneas] Acrufield, Greetings and welcome!
[kiatte] with wilkinson...consider migration into Louisiana with those
- counties
[normab] great! I am researching The Gilmore Family and the Riley Family
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[kiatte] Check E. Felecian parish in Louisiana...a lot of Riley's there
[Afrigeneas] I have RILEY in my search from bartow County GA
[normab] Great! Do you know any Hornslys or HornSby?
[Afrigeneas] None to my current knowledge.
[jmlinzy] WHERE CAN I GET THE 1960 SLAVE CENSUS FROM
[jeter] My 2nd great grandfather died just after the 1860 census (age 105) a
- property owner, i think in PA. What might be my chances of getting land
- records or deeds?
[acrufield] This is the first time that I have found folks in Afrigenaes
- chat area. Is there a specific topic tonight?
[kiatte] Jeter...i found the schedule at the end of the actual census....
[Afrigeneas] Acruf we are here each Saturday evening at this time
[Afrigeneas] jmlinzy send me an email and I will get the direction to the
- census for you.
[dldgreen] Acrufield, we have completed our discussioin on land records, and
- now are into general research ..
[jeter] Oh, OK; I guess it's back to the FHC; thanks
[Afrigeneas] Your local librarian will also be able to point you to where it
- can be found.
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[normab] Kiatte do you have any information about plantationowner in Amite
- county areas?
[kiatte] no...but i desperately (sp) need it
[kiatte] typing in the dark...sorry
[Afrigeneas] Hmmm
[dldgreen] Jeter, or you can rent it, though I forget the company name. I'm
- one of their best clients.. LOL
[normab] so do I. What kinf of information the Ms archives have?
[Afrigeneas] Heritage Quest, Damita
[Afrigeneas] or AGLL?
[dldgreen] Afrigeneas, THANK YOU. The mind is the first to go, and mine is
- going fast...
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[normab] What about the county court houses?
[Afrigeneas] Kiatte what are you seeking at the archives?
[Afrigeneas] Welcome Back Damita
[kiatte] something to show wher my grandfather came from?
[dldgreen] Thanks, I was banished to the apple core, too!
[kiatte] he appears in Louisiana in 1870....say's he was born in MS...but
- can't find anything
[kiatte] sorry...great grandfather
[Afrigeneas] Kiatte what other records are you pursuing other than the
- census
[Afrigeneas] Did they own property?
[kiatte] ciurt records that show the sale of slaves
[Afrigeneas] Where were they employed
[kiatte] can't find property...dairy farmers
[Afrigeneas] Where were their children in school.
[Afrigeneas] Did you find their siblings
[kiatte] good question,.,,,can;t find what schools existed back then
[kiatte] can't find any siblings
[Afrigeneas] If they were Dairy farmers
[Afrigeneas] they would need a liscense to sell their products
[kiatte] never thought of that
[Afrigeneas] Have you looked at the agricultural schedule to the census?
[kiatte] never
[dldgreen] Kiatte, have you checked the Freedmen;s records? History books?
- Elderly relatives for oral history?
[Afrigeneas] The state will have a record of theur license to do dairy,
[normab] Kiatte why are you searching southwest MS?
[kiatte] what I have came from relatives
kiatte] what I have came from relatives
[Afrigeneas] If they were farmers of any kind you will find them in the ag
- schedule.
[kiatte] this may sound stupid....but my grandfather came to me in a dream
- and told me that he was from Magnolia, MS
[Afrigeneas] Serendipity
[normab] Whats the name?
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[kiatte] MARTIN
[dldgreen] kiatte, not stupid at all!
[kiatte] thanks
kiatte] thanks
[Afrigeneas] Also check for variant spellings such as MORTON
[normab] Have you visited Magnilia?
[Afrigeneas] or whatever the soundex shows.
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[kiatte] will do afrigeneas
[kiatte] No Norm,.,, i now live in DENVER
[Afrigeneas] start looking for first names
[dldgreen] Welcome clb...
[Afrigeneas] Hello CI
[Clb] Good evening all!! This is R.E.B. in TN.
[jeter] Tip: check the local history book indexes for surnames at your
- library. It helped me searching for Jeters.
[Afrigeneas] Heyyyyyyy Cuzzie REB
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[normab] Ihave family in that area I could have My mother check out the name
[Afrigeneas] Heyyyyy Deb In VA
[kiatte] thanks Jeter
[Clb] Hi, there {{{{{{{{{{{Cuzzie}}}}}}}}}} :-)
[debnva] Hi, Didn't know if you would still be here
[kiatte] than you norm..his maes was Jim Martin...jim may have been short
- for james
[dldgreen] Heyyyyyyyy Deb!
[Afrigeneas] We are having a lively discussion.
[normab] OK!
[debnva] Hey Damita
[kiatte] norm...e mail is ...redstick4@uswest.net
[debnva] Valencia_are you Afrigeneas?
[Afrigeneas] Is it Mississippi where Grandfather was a dairy farmer?
[Afrigeneas] taking a bow Deb
[kiatte] No...St. Helena parish (Greensburg) louisiana
[Afrigeneas] Oh ok
[normab] got it! are you orginial from LA?
[Clb] Kiatte, good to meet you!! Thanx for the LA Rapides Parish cemetary
- lists!
[kiatte] yes...Baton Rouge
[kiatte] u r welcome :)
[kiatte] i am trying
[normab] Thought so redstick
[Afrigeneas] Damita I am thinking that we may need to make a periodic
- message to the list about resources.
[kiatte] yes...LOL
[dldgreen] Agreed!
[Clb] You did a good job but I still can't find my McQUAIN's there.
[jeter] ditto!
[Afrigeneas] Sometime we assume that everyone knows what a slave schedule is
[kiatte] now that is an odd name
[Afrigeneas] as well as the other schedules attached to the census
[Clb] I know, esp, for African-Americans
[kiatte] will stick with me....
[Clb] It's my mother's fathers family name.
[kiatte] one of mine is QUIETTE...now that is odd
[normab] Kiatte let's keep intouch nbh49@email.msn.com
[dldgreen] A good start would be to list all the schedules associated with
- the census and a brief description of each.
[Afrigeneas] I agree Damita
[dldgreen] I'll take that action item, then.
[kiatte] got it norm
[Afrigeneas] Wonderful!
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[jeter] We African -Americans are always on schedule (sorry)...
[Afrigeneas] Hello LinkGen!!!
[debnva] Valencia: When Damita grows up, she's going to be just like you
[linkgen] hi all
[kiatte] LOL
[Afrigeneas] LOL, love that Deb!!!
[dldgreen] You got it Deb..Tis my mission in my genealogy life!
[kiatte] that was cute Dev
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[kiatte] yes
[dldgreen] Folks, any suggestions for future topics? We aim to please...
[Afrigeneas] Can also use a few volunteer hosts.
[Clb] Damita? I'm possibly standing at a wall of slavery on my paternal
- side.
[dldgreen] Where are you stuck at?
[linkgen] I'd like to know how to obtain the names of your folks when you
- find them on the 1840 census.
[dldgreen] Taking notes folks, so rattle on...
[linkgen] other than the head of household.
[dldgreen] About suggestions, that is...
[Clb] I found a surname sake with a male the same age as my gggrandfather
- very near wheree the family land tusn up 20 years later.
[Clb] Not sure what to do now. Any enlightenment?
[jeter] Me too! (1840 census)
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[jeter] Me too! (1840 census)
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[normab] Kiatte, John Handy sr is reseaching Martins from the smar are you
- are and also LA. His email is JHandysr@aol.com
[Afrigeneas] In 1840? He was free then?
[kiatte] have worked with him...but we cannot find a connection
[linkgen] Yes, in PA... Only family listed as FPOC.
[Afrigeneas] I have Handy in Scott;andville LA
[kiatte] Norm...one of my surnames is also ADDISON
[jeter] 1840, free man of color, in PA
[Afrigeneas] Ok
[kiatte] I know some from Baton Rouge
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[jeter] correction! In NY.
[linkgen] jeter are we talking about the same family???? Mine is Douglass
- Jefferson county
[normab] GotIt
[DavidasMom] Type HERE
[dldgreen] CLB, you've already researched this person's will, purchases &
- sales, and that of his family?
[DavidasMom] oops, sorry got booted
[Clb] Haven't located that info, yet.
[Clb] troupte Counnty Georgia is kinda small.
[jeter] Mine is Jeter and Melvin; Rueben Melvin 1840 in tioga county, near
- the PA border
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[Afrigeneas] Hello and welcome Pumpkin!
[dldgreen] CLB, if he is your suspected slaveowner, you'll have to research
- him and his family just as he was your own.
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[dldgreen] And see where it leads you.
[Clb] Okay, Damita, thanks
[linkgen] jeter sure would have been nice if it was the same family. Any way
- we need the same answer.
[pumpkin] Type HERE Good Evening
[jeter] the jeters were in Bradford county, PA after the civil war
[SusieSJ] hello everyone
[Afrigeneas] Hello and welcome SusieSJ
[Clb] Good evening, {{{{Dear}}}}
[Afrigeneas] Pumpkin who are you searching for and where?
[Afrigeneas] Susie how is your research coming?
[pumpkin] Jane Napier
[jeter] yes, the same answer! My jeter married my Melvin
[linkgen] I have found lots of Douglass, but don't know if they are related
- to my William. That's why I want to find out the names of those folks on the
- 1840 census.
[SusieSJ] great.. I just picked up a couple of marriage licences today
[Afrigeneas] Pumpkin what is your brick wall with NAPIER?
[normab] Afrigeneas what will argricultrual record tell me about a person
- family?
[pumpkin] Her mom and dad
[kiatte] good ? Norm
[Afrigeneas] Well it will list the name, the acreage being farmed, the crops
- being farmed
[Afrigeneas] the number of bales or poundage
[Afrigeneas] . Hmmm will need to look at one to refresh my mind.
[Afrigeneas] Will show if the land is owned or rented
[Afrigeneas] Can anyone else add info?
[normab] What about land tax record or Pole tax information?
[linkgen] jeter my Douglass line were in Erie County in 1870 can't find them
- in Jefferson after 1850
[dldgreen] Afrigen, I think you've covered it all.
[Afrigeneas] I will post a more complete answer to the list.
[Afrigeneas] Sometimes the enumerator will miss a person but the person will
- show up in the ag schedule.
[linkgen] afrigeneas How do you get a ag schedule?
[Afrigeneas] The poll tax will for one thing show that relative had courage
- to register to vote
[dldgreen] Linkgen, start with your regular source for census records.
[Afrigeneas] The only other significance I give to the poll tax is to verify
- residence in the locale at the time the poll was paid.
[jeter] linkgen, I'll check my Bradford County notes, the Douglass name
- rings a faint bell.
[Afrigeneas] LinkGen it is a tag of the regular census.
[normab] Wher would I find Info?
[Afrigeneas] Now I find that each county has a separate roll of microfilm
- for each. So my easy answer is to ask the librarian.
[Afrigeneas] I will post a more definitive answer tio the list.
[linkgen] Thanks jeter I will keep a eye out for you names as I search Pa.
[normab] How to chat nextweek, bye
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[Afrigeneas] debnva have you used the agricultural scheduled?
[Afrigeneas] scheduled=schedules
[debnva] I haven't, but I will for VA and NC
[debnva] Been in a holding pattern with school, but trying to finish and
- quickly
[Afrigeneas] Bye Normab
[Afrigeneas] Good for you Deb!
[dldgreen] Folks don't forget that sometimes states & counties performed
- their own census taking.
[jeter] See y'all; gotta go; track meet comin' on;
- Peeaace....geder@onebox.com
[linkgen] jeter I am in sacto
[dldgreen] It may have occurred in an "off" year - other than the decennial
- census dates.
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[debnva] Nite Jeter
[Afrigeneas] Yes there was a great census done in some states in 1885
[linkgen] nite jeter
[kiatte] nite jeter,,,take care
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[Afrigeneas] makes up for the mising 1890
[dldgreen] Niters jeter'
[Afrigeneas] I have a book here someplace with what states did what years.
[dldgreen] Afrigen, I'd be interested in that source. SOunds worth having.
[Afrigeneas] Sooo can reference it if I hafta...but not at this time.
[linkgen] Afrigeneas I know that Kansas is one of the states
[Afrigeneas] Yes I recall that.
[dldgreen] SC had for 1869, 1875..
[DavidasMom] Thanks a lot everyone. Enjoyed the chat. Looking forward to
- hearing from you, Valencia.
[Afrigeneas] Alabama had for 1866
[linkgen] kansas was up to 1925
[Afrigeneas] Ok
[dldgreen] Well, shall we dim the lights?
[Afrigeneas] Well DAmita is it time to say farewell?
[debnva] I was just about to say goodnight
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[debnva] See you guys next week
[Clb] Nite, Deb!!
[dldgreen] It's been 1.5 hours of VERY lively discussion. Thanks to you all.
- See you next week, at 9:30pm, right here!
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[kiatte] Damita...thanks for the valuable info.. I
[Clb] Oh, yeah!! Nytol!!
[dldgreen] Kiatte, you are very welcome. Thanks for giving us much to
- discuss!
[kiatte] u r welcome
[Afrigeneas] Niters and love to all!!!!!!
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[Afrigeneas] Log did not turn out so well, sorry
[kiatte] nite
[linkgen] nite all thanks for all the info. May I request a copy of the chat
- please
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[SusieSJ] nite cuzzie
[Afrigeneas] Will send what I have
[dldgreen] Afrigeneas, I'll see what I was able to capture and let you know.
[Afrigeneas] Ok Damita
[Afrigeneas] SADONYA???
[SusieSJ] yes???
[Afrigeneas] LOL
[linkgen] nite all many blessings
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[dldgreen] Linkgen, your email address?
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[dldgreen] The log will be posted to the Afrigeneas mailing list..
[dldgreen] Nite folks!
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