Week In Review
vkn :Greetings this day after! My plan to edit the logs of yesterday bombed Howdy Art
Art :Hi vkn, guess I'm early
vkn :We are both early, Art
vkn :But what the hey :)
Art :Yesterday was interesting, huh?
vkn :Yesterday was quite outstanding in many ways Art So great to have a librarian and a publisher drop in on us and to share so much good stuff. A boon for me since that is the county in VA I am searching.
Anon :I missed yesterday's chat
Art :Is the Rocky Mount the lady was from in NC...or VA?
vicky :that was quite enlightning
vkn :It was VA, Art
Art :she left me with more questions than answer though. Okay, wasn't aware of a Rocky Mount VA
vkn :And then Bennie dropped in with the news about Ohio. Art, you were keeping secrets about the Buckeye.
Art :I didn't know we hadn't acknolwedged the 14th amendment until this past week
vkn :Rocky Mount is the County Seat for Franklin County VA
Art :I see
vkn :Yes all in all it was a great chat
Art :Oh well, we came in as a Free State, so didn't need the 14th....how is that for spin :)
Anon :I have a friend whose daughter is a film producer who is researching her family the Alexanders in Rocky Mount
vkn :My plan was to tranxcribe and upload until we got hit by the nastt's
vkn :Oh really K. Well she will want to get the book discussed yesterday
Anon :which was?
vkn :Also K I have over 2000 obits from Franklin My Herman was born and raised in Franklin County
Art :Wow, that is quite a collection vkn
vkn :Howdy AJStewart We are glad to see you here.
AJStewart :Hey, again, glad I mad e it today
vicky :hi AJStewart
vkn :Anon I will send the log with all of the info
Art :Anon. i think book was titled OH Master and it deals with Franklin Co., VA
vkn :So are we glad AJStewart
Anon :I will have to research the title
vkn :Art you are one smart cookie. That is the name. I remembered as soon as I saw you type.
vkn :K)Wyer it is just now coming off the press
Art :Oh, OH vkn is coming after me :)
Anon :what is the book about?
vkn :Good genealogical stuff in Franklin Including the names of 500 Black men who served in the Confederate stuff Plus marriages and also includes data from Henry County
Anon :Hmm how topical considering our recent posters But then you know better than I about the agendas of our posters
vkn :Godfrey Update It is still something researchers can use The cost continues at $35.00 per year and includes all of HeritageQuest Pro as well as Chadwyck-Healy database Point your browser to www.godfrey.org I would strongly suggest that you explore what your local library has to offer in the database line.Access to that is probably without direct cost.
vkn :This morning I learned from Del Jupiter that the New York Historical Group (?) has all od Ancestry plus HQ for a cost of $75.00 annually She says it is indeed rich with all kind of databases including the NYTimes.
vkn :Now JTLogan says one can get HQ from some library in KY for $25.00 oer year
Art :checking home library is a good move vkn....I get Ancestry Plus at the Library and HQ at home for just having a library card
Anon :Lucky you! No such luck in ny
vicky :I checked library here can only get ancestry plus in house only
Art :Can't get ancestry at home so I use Ancestry.com for home with subscription and HQ from home
vkn :I get VLA ( Virtual Libray Alabama) at no cost but it does not include HQ or Ancestry. The downtown library does have Ancestry Plus at no cost but with limited time on the computer.
Anon :Art is HQ free from home?
vkn :Anon you were saying that the offerings at the NYC Library are somewhat less than they appear?
vicky :Phx is liminted to 30 mins at library
Art :Yes. A....through my library with an active lib card.
Anon :Yes They can only be accessed at the selected library locations
AJStewart :KWyer I live in NY, which ones
Anon :Harlem and the Humanities on 5th avenue Their selection is limited believe it or not. Many major books about the south are not found in their libraries
Art :This on-line acess stuff is in turmoil....one day you can get to something next day it's either gone or it costs. ex....california births was there iwth the deat index, now births are gone. death
doll :art--what site was this?
vicky :that so true Art
Art :California birth index, doll....at least I can't seem to get to what was there previously death index is still available
vkn :Yes the California Legislature changed that Problem was identity theft.
doll :I always thought that birth records were more confidential
vkn :They are in Alabama Doll But had been open in California. NO more!
doll :not even midwife records can be available for public use not in Alabama anyway
Art :CA births only went up to 1975 when they were available That is on-line records
doll :i wanted to put some online for Macon County contacted the state and was told this was not acceptable
Art :I think even Illinois & Missouri have changed what is available on their archived sites
doll :right now i'm searcing Yuma Co AZ for birth records
vicky :az records are also off limits what name in yuma doll
doll :birth name was Joel :*Lawrence
vicky :what year
doll :May 12th 1939 Mother: Ida Bell Lockard Lawrene Lockard--looking for his birth record
vicky :is it Joel Lockart or Joel Lawrence
doll :Joel Lockard--birth name -- Lawrence Lockard is what he's using now
Father: McKinley He was adopted -- probably need search on birth date/year if possible
vicky :doll I will see what I can help you with if possible give me your addy
doll :firstname.lastname@example.org i tried calling but through the automation I was on hold for 10 mins!!
Anon :Speaking of on line infor. I tried to post a message today on Afrigeneas, but couldn't because I haven't included a profile. If I post the profile once...I tried before and it didn't work. Will I have to post it on all sites?
vkn :Forum Board was attacked by "crazies" last evening. Eric and I spent about 2 hours getting stuff cleaned up and so it has resulted in requiring a profile and an email addy
AJStewart :great, vkn I was real unhappy last nite
vkn :Anon, one profile covers all boards
Art :vkn, are you saying no profile...no post?
vkn :No pro No Post
Art :Is that for each and every Forum?
vkn :Of course Hackers can always find a loop in the hole BUT one thing we did not have in place last night was the naughty word file.Yes Art each and every
Anon :Oh darn! (wink) for the naughty word file
Art :Oh my, I've posted profiles in the past and then somehow they are "lost" with subsequent updates to the variuos boards
vkn :So all of those words used last night will go into a naughtyword.txt file and the forum script will send messages with such words to be moderated
Denise :discussin the trol attack?
vkn :Art that has been a problem and we are trying to get that fixed. vkn :Thanx also to Anon who helped us see part of the clean up we missed.
Denise :gee I missed the whole megilla
vkn :Well be glad denise
AJStewart :you don't wanna look, it was nasty
vkn :It twere awful.
doll :I definitely missed it--thank God!
Denise :am used to it - have weathered 4 maor troll attacks on my alt, they can be quite nasty little demons how many boards were hit?
vkn :A similar thing happened at the AfriAm boards on AOL Genealogy Forum but the target was Lesbians
Anon :Some of the trolls are still around. But hopefully the new profile restrictions will reveal who they are
doll :vkn--I saw that-- very nasty!!
Denise :ahhh - so that's why I need to re-profile? Figgered sumthin' was up
vkn :Yes doll it was
Denise :you reprted them to isp's I see vkn hope it is an isp that takes action
vkn :Well Anon and all we have a site log which captures ALL activity on the site.
vicky :thats good hope they are old enough to take a little trip. or pay a hefty fine
vkn :We have a volunteer now looking at everything transpiring between 7 and 10 last evening :It will give us the ISP of those doing the posting and we will act from there.
Anon :You know that what they did is against federal and state laws
AJStewart :I feel better already I hadn't experieced anything so blatant
Art :Is there some way to retain profiles from posters who have NOT violated the rules to keep from the re-profile type action? 'm just lazy:)
vkn :Yes Anon. It has been my experience that the enforcement piece is overwhelmed to immobility.
vkn :Art I think so. It will take until about Wednesday to sort it all out
Art :Good vkn
Anon :Not this time. There are many resources that will take action.
vkn :Hmmm Ok
Denise :Some ISP's don't care - others are a bit more responsible
Anon :Yes, but this case is so blatant. It is not about spam but the content
Art :Yea Denise, I've seen some BAAAD stuff on a couple of Sports boards
vkn :Well let me tell you it is a drain on all that there is
Art :I bet vkn
doll :Yes Anon it's definitely the content!!!
Anon :There is a definate connection between the trolls regarding black confederates , the ridiculous requests for look ups and what happened yesterday.I would like to read what that librarian wrote from yesterday's post. That was no coincidence.
vkn :Anon we will get "oh, its just teenagers with their mischief"
Anon :No because they monitor the Afrigeneas mailing lists and the boards. You may remember the messages that I received from Major Kelley
Denise :I know some good hackers who ride herd on net.abuse - they are overwhelmed with this stuff and the administrators are mostly going after kiddie P**n
Art :Anon, you think they got "miffed" from the responses to the attack on LDS inside the FPOC Forum?
Anon :Well I then was slammed by their confederate ring
vkn :that is bad news Anon
Anon :That was a set up. To use the voice of Afrigeneas to complain about LDS and racism
Art :Only heard from "D" once...and then BOOM all heck breaks loose. connection?
Denise :actually - I know where her family lives in Loudoun
Anon :You should also look up the name on google.s Talk to Bennie about these people. Denise isn't Louden in mulgeon country?
Denise :some of it there are some hill folks who are a bit "odd" as my aunt would put it heheh - some are my relatives but they make no claims to being melungeons
Anon :Right and that is the connection to some of this. It is also the area where some of the so called black confederacy myths have come from I f you go to Morris Deas' site on Southern Law etc. You will find a lot of information on these groups
Denise :melungeon - read "don't want to be black" in most cases
vkn :Denise have you read the Pecker letters in VA?
Denise :nope where are they?
vkn :Gives all the background on the why.
Denise :k will do
vkn :Art do I have the name correct?
Art :Plecker? from VA yes
vkn :Pecker or Plecker was secy of State in VA who determined what racial designations would be
Anon :Denise, the emphasis isn't on mulgeon but rather on the folks that came from that area. The poster on writers forum said he was part mulugeon.
vkn :Tell us more Art.
Denise :ahh - k
Art :vkn, I think he tried to remove the Indian/Native American designation from VA birth records...You had to be either Black or white.
Denise :okay - located Walter Plecker
vkn :Yes that is my memory Art. Wanted to be sure I was not giving out muddling :) so needed your integrity check.
Art :this is when VA, among other states, didn't allow inter-racial marriages prior to the LOVING vs VA lawsuit
Denise :"Plecker left a trail of hate and racism, referring to the Melungeons as "these negroes" and "the problem." http://www.blueridgecountry.com/melung/melung.html ty vkn Art
vkn :Well fokes we will all pull together in this to keep the boards safe and enjoyable.
Denise :yuppers vkn
Art :Denise, many of those families in Washington/Athens Co., OH are tri-racials or Melungeons.
Denise :hehe - yup - Scpios are too - some of em
vkn :There is a large body of works on the tri=racials
Denise :yea - first book I ever read on them was Brewton Berry's "almost White"
Art :AND you're right they lean more toward Native American and White...nobody, or most, DO NOT want to be Black
Denise :look neither do a lot of the black Puerto Rican's i know or Dominicans
vkn :Dee Woodtor would say ABB or "anything but black"
Denise :hehehehe vkn
Anon :Yes, I found one on the net this week by Mike Nassau
Denise :it is a bi-product of our social situation and our history
vkn :Anon thanx for helping us nail this thing down with a trail we can follow. I was not aware of the FPOC board postings.
Anon :George Geder gave a good response
Tee :yes he did
Art :My wife has some "passers" who live in Columbus, Ohio and she has been told to not bring her husband (ME) to their house.....too black
vkn :Howdy Blackwing Welcome to the Chat
Anon :They are all over the board using names that are common on the web
Blackwing :Hello and thank you.
vkn :Wher are you located Blackwing and what are your search names?
Blackwing :I am located in California normally but, also spend quite a lot of time in Georgia. My search names are: Coleman, Ross, Gary and Crow.
Tee :Art I've experienced that with someone I used to date. They weren't "passers" but I was too dark for them
Denise :vkn - I still can't create profile on FPOC is that disabled temp?
Art :Hey, just looked at the roster....Am I the only "guy" in here today?.........HELP:)
vkn :Hmmmmm will double check Denise
Blackwing :I have a serious problem with those people that are color struck. My mother is dark and she has related to me how she felt when she was a little girl.
vkn :Art it just means that we are in GOOD company :)
vicky :same with my mom blackwing but she was very very fair
Tee :Well this was in 1987
Art :smooth talking vkn :)
vkn :tee hee hee . Hit bees da trufe, Art.
Blackwing :My g-aunt said that she (my mom) made a comment to her mother like this: "Mama, how come they don't like me?" "Is it because I am too Black?" Now that really made me cry because my mother is the most beautiful women in the world to me. *smile*
Blackwing :Is anyone here doing research on Sam Crow?
Tee :My aunts had a hard time fitting in they were too light for one side and too dark for the other
vkn :I have some stuff on Sam Crow but it is already posted to the Native American Board
Blackwing :Ok. I will check. I only have him on the 1900 Census for Arkansas although he was born in Georgia.
vkn :I think it is from Upson County GA, Blackwing but don't hold me to that.
Blackwing :Thank you for the info. I also found out that Elizabeth (Bessie) Coleman was my grandfathers half-sister.
Denise :btw folks - be very careful of gen.seekers - is a scam
vkn :Give Angela Walton-Raji a buzz, Blackwing, if you have not already. Angelaw859@aol.com
Blackwing :I sure will. Thank you.
doll :I posted about genseeker.com at the forum
Blackwing :What is gen seekers all about?
doll :someone was giving me the heat about why I thought this was so
Denise :is a scam genealogy group
doll :I just gave a link to the google search for gen scams genseeker was at the top of the list
vkn :Hmmm I did not see your post Doll but there is also one called surnamesearch which seems shaky have you heard of it, anyone?
Denise :good lookin' out doll
Blackwing :Probably like Ancestory.com. First free, after they gather all my info. they want you to pay to see even what you posted.
doll :i haven't heard of surnamesearch mainly they don't offer much---just links to other websites
vkn :All who want a log send me a note to vkn@afrigeneas with log in the subject.
Art :Blackwing..send your material to Rootsweb, the User contributed portion of Ancestry....or better yet to AfriGeneas
Blackwing :Will do.
Anon :Thanks Valencia, I wanted the log on Florida history did it happen
vkn :Will send Anon
Denise :I gotta run floks - have some phone calls to return seeya tommorrow
Art :have a good weekend Denise
vkn :See yall at Sunday Brunch. Send all profile problems. Will fix asap.
Anon :So long everyone
vicky :bye all
doll :see you all!
doll :vkn will call tomorrow
Art :closing shop, bye all