3rdthawkins: hello Ms. Daviss
daviss: hello third! hello Ingrid
Ingrid_Doweary: Hey 3rd and Daviss
daviss: how was your week end folks?
3rdthawkins: it was good daviss
Ingrid_Doweary: It was good and year How is everyboday's research going?
daviss: mine too 3rd. At least no complaints Mine is the same as usual Ingrid, how about you?
Selma: Afternoon 3rd, Ingrid and daviss
daviss: I think I was telling Seventies yesterday that I spent hours on google books but nothing hit my fancy
Ingrid_Doweary: I'm a floating technician today at work. So probably be in and out.
3rdthawkins: Ingrid, I'm hoping my grandparents' marriage rec will come in sometime this week (today I hope) and it will tell me what naval base they were on
alt: hello 3rd,Selma, daviss, Ingrid_Doweary
3rdthawkins: hello alt Ingrid_Doweary I'm hoping my grandparents' marriage rec will come in sometime this week (today I hope) and it will tell me what naval base they were on
daviss: hmmmm does a lic give that kind of info third
Ingrid_Doweary: Yes, 3rd. I'm getting only information about Camp Springs and Andrews Air Force base information so far.
daviss: or are you getting the marriage affidavit
3rdthawkins: well daviss, as I read my gf's baptism records, the note indicated they married on a Naval base. It is a marriage license
Ingrid_Doweary: A marriage record is needed period to help illuminate the place of marriage.
daviss: When I was a deputy clerk in the Clerk of Superior Court the affidavits asked those sort of questions In those days you also had to have a blood test
3rdthawkins: I am hoping it will tell me though
daviss: not sure if that is the case now then you had to wait three days before you could marry lol
alt: here is a copy of my marriage record when I was in the Military.. it does give the location of the military base I was assigned to at the time of marriage. http://tinyurl.com/2cama85
daviss: awesome alt
alt: yep daviss, had to have the blood test and there was a 3 day waiting period
daviss: what does W P stand for alt
alt: Wright-Patterson AFB daviss
daviss: oh yeah thats right
3rdthawkins: that is some good information but again, is a marriage record different from a marriage license?
daviss: yes it is
3rdthawkins: ok thx daviss thought so
daviss: application and affidavit the same
3rdthawkins: alt, is the Rev. Gerald Morgan related to Marjorie? Morgan?
daviss: marriage lic should give you the name of the minister if interested
alt: notice on my 'application' for marriage at the bottom is the 'certificate' to be signed and returned by the marrying offical .. he was her uncle 3rdthawkins
3rdthawkins: oh, wow, awesome
Selma: Afternoon yatah
alt: hello yatah
daviss: On my grandmothers lic, the minister was the next door neighbor well across the field anyway lol
alt: and remember a discussion some time back about would the marriage have been 'legal' if the 'marrying offical' had not signed and returned that 'certificate'?
daviss: yes I remember
3rdthawkins: the minister (or baptizing priest) for my peeps seem to always be living somewhere else
daviss: It would surely have to be returned alt
alt: to be 'legal' exactly daviss
daviss: and I imagine it would have had to be solemized
3rdthawkins: I can't even find the witness present at my grgrgr gp's marriage (Alex Isley and Hannah Williamson), only a 9 year old of the same name shows in the census
daviss: I have seen many where the applications were taken out but never returned
alt: yes daviss
daviss: Thats not saying that the marriage did not happen but the minister forgot to sendd them in.Therfore not legal
yatah: how is your family history ?
alt: exactly & here is an example of the daviss .. a set of maternal great-great grandparents... was their marriage 'legalized'?
daviss: mine yatah is at a standstill
alt: hhttp://tinyurl.com/35b6kss there was not 'return' for the marriage application
Ingrid_Doweary: Hey Yatah. I'm back for now.
daviss: yep alt doesn't look legal but.. they may have gotten another one later on. I have seen that happen in some cases more than twice
alt: it was filed in Shelby County, Ohio with the marriage returns for March of 1872 daviss
daviss: I would look in a later year also alt
Ingrid_Doweary: Hey Vkn.
Seventies Soulchild: good afternoon everyone
daviss: If I remember alt some states had a time limit on the lic. to be returned. Not sure about Ohio
alt: I have daviss .. in Shelby and surrounding counties and have yet to find another appl and/or bertificate
Selma: Do they operate in their community as a legally married couple, do they contract business..wills, deeds, home purchase as a marriec couple?
vkn: Howdy to do
3rdthawkins: ooo-ooo my grandparents' marr. license just came in the middle. shhh everybody while I open it................hello vkn and Seventies Soulchild
daviss: hello seventies and vkn
Selma: Afternoon vkn and seventies
alt: yes to all of the above Selma
Selma: Then I would say they were "legally married"
alt: hello vkn & Seventies Soulchild
Seventies Soulchild: hi 3rd, alt, daviss, Ingrid_Doweary, Selma & yatah
daviss: and remember some states you could live together so many years and be considered married
alt: Selma, this lady later married the uncle of Wm. F. Adams...
Selma: The first husband died?
daviss: did she and the uncle have a legal lic alt?
vkn: trying again
alt: and I can't find where she was 'divorced' from the ist husband
daviss: mabe then alt they did not get married
3rdthawkins: marr license have some good info
Selma: Maybe she took those 3 days to "reconsider"
daviss: times were tough in those days
3rdthawkins: just got it in the mail alt daviss and Ingrid_Doweary
Seventies Soulchild: maybe that's why ma and pa stayed together, they couldn't afford a divorce!
alt: yes, here is the mariage record to the uncle and she was married under the surname of Adams .. from her 1st 'husband' http://tinyurl.com/249lcj2
daviss: and you still had to pay the preacher, sometimes you had to put up a bond
Seventies Soulchild: and get a cosigner on the bond...
3rdthawkins: Ingrid_Doweary it stays Receiving Station Chapel
daviss: yep seventies
Seventies Soulchild: but they do give good genealogical information though.
3rdthawkins: alt and daviss, the marr. rec. identifies them as 1st cousins, also as colored oops, marr. lic.
daviss: I have some ark lic in my daughters line that the bond was put up by relatives
yatah: i can talk i just jump back and foward lol
daviss: 1st cousins 3rd
daviss: colored 3rd
alt: Wow, I just noticed the date of this 2nd marriage is wrong... it states 1852 and it should read 1882.. also notice the sentence where it states that the marrying couple are of the same 'race".
3rdthawkins: she had to be preg. with my dad
daviss: hmmm alt why is that 3rd
3rdthawkins: wow, interesting alt
Selma: Looks like 1882 to me alt
Ingrid_Doweary: "Receiving Station Chapel" ? 3rd, I'm still puzzled as to which station.
3rdthawkins: my dad was born abt. 6 mons afterwards
daviss: alt it looks like 82
3rdthawkins: daviss my dad was born 6 mons. afterward
alt: on the return it is 1882 on the typed affadavit it states 1852.
daviss: and I have dollar glasses on alt
Selma: Yep..you are right alt..
Seventies Soulchild: what exactly are y'all looking at?
3rdthawkin: daviss, it says 1852
alt: proving that even the 'official' documents can have incorrect information.
daviss: thats the certified copy that someone sent for
Seventies Soulchild: :} @ dollar glasses
daviss: you can get that replaced alt.. did you pay for the certified copy alt
alt: yep, a couple of dollars I think daviss, not more than 5 as I remember, that was in 1992, almost 20 years ago.
Seventies Soulchild: I see 1882 on the original copy. If that was the initial question.
daviss: The official document is right 1882. Who ever typed up the request made the error
Seventies Soulchild: Yes Pam was in a rush. lol
daviss: glad you rec the lic 3rd
alt: the actual record was in a book that they don't make copies of those pages and they type a 'certified copy' of the contents/information.
Seventies Soulchild: ok
3rdthawkin: thx daviss, Ingrid_Doweary I'm reading a link about a Gunnery School at U.S Naval (sp Navel) station in DC Receiving Station
daviss: right alt
alt: 3rdthawkin, do you know where your grnadfather took his 'boot camp' training for the Navy?
3rdthawkin: nope alt
alt: the 'big' boot camp in the eastern US was at Great Lakes Naval Station near Chicago 3rdthawkin
yatah: i just wondering i need look up with darby family in 1900 if there is jospehine and her mom on list ?
3rdthawkin: hmm, ok alt, I wish I knew where he went
alt: I was talking with a WW II vet last Fri who took his 'boot camp' there.. and he said at that time (1942) the training base was segregated.
3rdthawkin: ok, he probably went after 1942, from what I heard he first entered the army. I know he graduated HS in 1941, was in D.C. by 1946 and had a known residence in D.C. in 1948
vkn: had a good group session today. Learned about the National cornbread festival held annually in South Pittsburgh TN
Seventies Soulchild: a cornbread festival?
alt: okay vkn,,, good local history is always interesting.
Seventies Soulchild: I read online that the gullah geechie folks did a crab crack recently
Ingrid_Doweary: Cornbread. Just Had some from Boston Market, this past Saturday.
daviss: quit talking with your mouth full seventies lol
vkn: That is also where cooking utensils are made . Most interesting stories related
Seventies Soulchild: I was given so much cornbread as a kid! OMG I can't stand the stuff! lol
Ingrid_Doweary: Crab Crack, eh?
Seventies Soulchild: lol daviss Crab crack, crawfish boil... all the same thing! lol
yatah: hello ? i just wondering if you can help me with darby family in 1900 if there is josephine and her mom on list
vkn: Seventies Soulchild they have a cook off with a thousand varieties
daviss: what is the mothers name yatah
Seventies Soulchild: That's too much cornbread! lol I"m cornbreaded out! lol
Selma: Yatah .. Josephine darby..what is her mother's name
yatah: mary darby and born 1868
daviss: I love cornbread and especially hot water cornbread yummy
alt: local history.. yesterday after chat went to Piqua, Ohio.. the former slaves of John Randolph were inducted into the Piqua Civic Hall of Fame for the contributions to the community following their freedom in 1846.
Seventies Soulchild: The only way I will eat cornbread is mixed in with greens. Ah nice.
vkn: Also alt this senior spoke about segregated housing in San Fran. Do you recall the Rumford Fair Housing Act in Calif
Seventies Soulchild: alt, do you have any photos of or know where I can find some of the John Parker house?
alt: no I don't vkn, but I can believe it
vkn: Wonderul news from Piqua
alt: I have some I can send you Seventies Soulchild
vkn: Alt is there a news story about the event
Seventies Soulchild: Thank you alt. I want to just see what it looks like now. Mr Parker had such an interesting life. IMO
alt: I think the Parker House Museum has a website Seventies Soulchild I'll have to check today's Piqua paper vkn.
daviss: I only see her as a Quiller in 1910 yatah
Seventies Soulchild: googling it now alt
daviss: what was her fathers name
3rdthawkin: Ingrid_Doweary, I wonder if this is it, seem like it is closed now
Selma: Is this the same Mary DARBY who is the mother of SMITH DARBY
yatah: ok i have no idea who is her father
Seventies Soulchild: ok got it alt
Ingrid_Doweary: Which state did you say mary was born, Yatah?
alt: yes vkn . from the Piqua Daily Call http://tinyurl.com/2eof554
vkn: Thanx alt
daviss: yatah is SC
yatah: selma, yes same mary darby that josephine 's brother smith
yatah: yes south carolina
alt: Seventies Soulchild, John Parker was quite a MAN!!!!
3rdthawkin: lol Seventies Soulchild I just learned that when went to AZ for my gm's birthday. My aunt was crumbling cornbread in her greens. We didn't know people did that
Seventies Soulchild: The house was restored quite NICELY! yes 3rd, lots of people do that. :}
Selma: There is a Mary DARBY age 36 (1864) with a husband SMITH DARBY age 55 (1836) and children
alt: oh yeah Seventies Soulchild, and it sits right there on the banks of the Ohio River looking across to Kentucky.
3rdthawkin: we learned that definitely
Ingrid_Doweary: 3rd which facility were you asking if it was closed?
yatah: oh ok i got it i try differnt way if there another list of darby
Selma: Children: Elizabeth (1882); Hattie (1885); Edith (1887); Orphelia (1890); William (1891); Smith Jr. (1892), Joseph (1896); Magaline (1899)
daviss: that should be it yatah
Selma: They are in Orangeburg County, Amelia Township...in
yatah: i have 1900 cenus that list yes i try see if i can find way differnt name if there is pop up
3rdthawkin: oops Ingrid_Doweary, my bad ,didn't include the link :} http://www.hmdb.org/marker.asp?marker=10675
Selma: Could that joseph, be in fact josephine?
yatah: maybe mess up with josephine name with joseph i hope it not mess up name
Ingrid_Doweary: Oh okay, 3rd thanks. I'll check it out.
alt: vkn, the lady in the article who was also inducted, Mrs. Louise Taylor was the sunday School teacher and choir master at my church in Piqua, Ohio .. Cyrene AME church.
Selma: Yatah..it is not that unusual that name are confused or mixed up..thats why you have to look for these folks within the family unit..the other names of the children sound familar to names you have menioned before
Seventies Soulchild: folks I need to get back to work, my co-worker's father is in the hospital again and I'm running the ship by myself. My grandfather is in the hospital again as well. This is the time the elderly get sick and pass on. . . I'm afraid.
daviss: later seventies
alt: best wishes & prayers Seventies Soulchild
Seventies Soulchild: later all...
vkn: Good history alt
yatah: most of my family said right josephine i just wondering if she has nickname she grown up
alt: yes vkn, like your TN reference... good local history is great!!!!
vkn: Cannot be beat Y'all be good
Selma: Yatah..if this is the family, and it looks like it is, her father's name was Smith Darby
daviss: how can that be possible vkn
yatah: selma , i keep my mind in case i hope it narrow to rite one lol
Selma: In 1900 Mary and Smith have been married for 17 years, Mary had given birth to 11 children, 7 are still living
daviss: 8 in house selma
yatah: mary darby has 12 children in 1910
3rdthawkin: alt, I need your help with Rootsmagic
daviss: what year was josephine born yatah
yatah: davis, she born 1890
alt: okay 3rdthawkin, what's up?
daviss: mabe she is out and married
Selma: Well in this household Orphelia is the only one born in 1890
daviss: If I remember selma there was a Joseph
3rdthawkin: what source type do I use for the marriage license. I have the choice of Marriage Rec. bound volumes, Marri Rec. church copy Marr. Rec. church, original, Marr Rec. Civil and Marr Rec. loose, license and bonds. This part always get me as to what exact source I choose I'm thinking the loose license, and bonds
yatah: yea there is joseph that her brother
Selma: and a Smith brother...didn't she have a sister Magaline?
alt: If it isn't a problem 3rdthawkin you can cite multiple sources
daviss: was it a civil service 3rd
yatah: selma, she has one sister maggie
3rdthawkin: oh, ok, I guess I'll choose one lol
daviss: thats the right one selma
3rdthawkin: don't think so daviss
daviss: they got married by a chaplain
alt: If I had to chose just one tho' I would use the marriage record that has the State certificate # and is registered in the County of record.
yatah: why name or ? later in 1910 josephine who ?
Selma: This census taker identifies Magaline as a Son..but has sex as Female..DOB 1899..
3rdthawkin: oh, ok alt, thx, as you said, I may cite multiple sources
yatah: maggie born 1901
alt: then 3rdthawkin, if you have copies you can add the scan photos to the media gallery for that person(s).
yatah: another brother name rosvelt darby born 1902 that last two
3rdthawkin: yes, I think I will do that alt
alt: Mutiple sources for any given event is a plus 3rdthawkin
daviss: how can you have multiple sources for a marriage lic alt
Ingrid_Doweary: Alt's right It sure is
yatah: you look up on 1910 there last two born 1901 and 1902 of darby after that 1920 just smith and her mom ?
Ingrid_Doweary: License bond, license application, license certificate.
alt: daviss, for this marriage he could cite the application, certificate, and the marriage license itself.. 3 sources
daviss: yes ingrid but there is only one lic
Selma: Well by 1920..the rest would be grown and have left the house..Yatah
alt: there you go Ingrid_Doweary, you're quicker than me LOL
daviss: yes if you have all those but he only has the lic
yatah: yes rite how i can find all of them in 1920
alt: so in your 'source' field for marriage you could cite all 3 daviss
3rdthawkin: daviss, it has Applicatin for license Marriage license and Return all on one page
alt: I though the said he had 'dates' for those other records.... and references to where they might be located.
3rdthawkin: Ingrid_Doweary has it right, there is a Source Type for that Marriage Record (loose, licenses, & bonds) what it says
daviss: I see
3rdthawkin: Rootsmagic gives you a list of Source Types
daviss: I thought he said he just got the lic
Selma: To me Yatah..looks like the family in 1910..is the same family in 1900
3rdthawkin: I thought it was just the license daviss, apparently not
daviss: but looks like the application is attached
alt: the app has one date (issue) and the return has another date, and the filing date is a 3rd date.
Ingrid_Doweary: Daviss, the marriage records I accessed from Family Search gave me all 3 from the Arkansas marriage record database for three different couples.
daviss: so you have two pieces of paper 3rd
3rdthawkin: no one
3rdthawkin: App. for license is at top, marriage lic. is in middle, and Return at bottom
daviss: wow that is unusual. I have never heard of the application being sent with the folks
alt: and the dates are different , right 3rdthawkin?
3rdthawkin: yes alt
daviss: usually kept at the court house. different strokes lol
alt: so in affect you have 3 records for that one event...
3rdthawkin: yep never thought abt that, thx alt
Selma: Gotta run folks...have a great day
daviss: bye selma was there a waiting period 3rd or a spot that told you that a blood test was taken and signed by a doctor
3rdthawkin: not sure of a waiting period but it had to be returned in a certain amt. of days. no blood test, no dr
daviss: very interesting
Ingrid_Doweary: It's been fun and informative. Signing off folks. Bye.
yatah: i better go now thanks
3rdthawkin: bye Ingrid and yatah
daviss: one more question 3rd was there a box to check that asked for relationship or was the term 1st cousin just written in
3rdthawkin: asked for relationship
daviss: ok just curious do you still have to have a blood test these days alt
alt: nope daviss
daviss: no one I know of married lately ok thanks 3rd for your answer I need to get out more often I see ok bye folks have a nice day. oh 3rd how much did you have to pay for the lic and is it certified I am hoping it was not in the 20 dollar range now
3rdthawkin: no, 10 daviss
daviss: whew! thanks
3rdthawkin: this is a certified copy yw
daviss: genealogy is expensive so is fishing bye ya'll
3rdthawkin: yes, it is, thx goodness some of this places make it easier to get rec. lol fishing bye daviss wake up alt, lol oh, ok, well, everyone's left, turn out the lights on your way out