daviss: hello Spivey
Spivey: Hi daviss! How are you today?
daviss: I am doing okay, and you?
Spivey: I'm good, thanks.
daviss: durn it, a box keeps popping up in front of screen I may have to log out and reboot
Spivey: Hi vkn and 3rdthawkins!
3rdthawkins: hello Spivey and vkn
vkn: Good afternoon Spivey and 3rd Hope all is going your way today
Spivey: Yes, thanks, vkn. How are you doing today?
3rdthawkins: going good vkn, thx
vkn: no MAJOR complaints thanx for asking
Spivey: No MAJOR complaints huh? I guess that's good, vkn.
vkn: I reckon
Spivey: Yes. Hi Seventies Soulchild!
vkn: Howdy Seventies
Seventies Soulchild: hi 3rd, Spivey and vkn hello alt
Spivey: Hi alt!
3rdthawkins: hello Seventies and alt
vkn: Howdy alt
alt: hello 3rd, 70's, Spivey & vkn
Spivey: Hi Selma!
Seventies Soulchild: hello Selma
vkn: Howdy Selma
Selma: Good Thursday afternoon 3rd, alt, 70's, spivey and vkn
alt: hello Selma
Seventies Soulchild: Yes tomorrow is Friday!
vkn: Log of yesterday is up
Selma: Saw your posting to Loggins reseacher alt
alt: yeah Selma, after chat I needed sumpin to do LOL
3rdthawkins: hello Selma, gotta turn my volume up
Seventies Soulchild: lol alt. Ain't retirement grand!
alt: dunno Seventies Soulchild, I've been at it only since 1987.. still learning LOL
vkn: Careful alt if I hear there is nothing to do an assignment will be stalking ya
Seventies Soulchild: lol alt
alt: Oops, forgot about "Da Assigner" being present LOL
Seventies Soulchild: :? :}
alt: what did you think of my 'quickie' effort for the Loggins researcher Selma?
Selma: I thought it was good...hopefully she will look at the whole picture..
vkn: That Allen County link posted by daviss is interesting but sort of empty except for the aggregates
Selma: Haven't gone to the site yet vkn
vkn: lol at alt re "da assigner" lol lol lol
3rdthawkins: yeah, it is vkn, maybe a little to earlier to show ??? too early
alt: vkn, I sort of take exception to the Allen Link.. it is only a 'part' of what is available... Have y'all pulled down the "buttons" to see what is there?
3rdthawkins: I went to the South Carolina link and some of them regarding african american research isn't workin, just send me to a page with the 404 error on it
alt: ACPL is still the "place" outside of SLC
3rdthawkins: southern leadership conference?
vkn: prolly 3rd but good for bookmarking Yes alt I did punch a few buttons and some linked me back to AfriGeneas content and that was good
alt: yeah 3rdthawkins LOL
3rdthawkins: oh ok yes it is vkn
alt: remenber ACPL is supposedly 2nd only to SLC in it's genealogical holdings.
vkn: Well SLC and SLC are both MOUNTAINS of info lol and what is name of library in Chicago alt from where Dee Parmer launched?
vkn: Right thanx for the brain kick alt
alt: yw vkn
vkn: back in a minnit
3rdthawkins: ok hurry back, and save me some :}
Spivey: Hi khathu!
3rdthawkins: hello Khathu
khathu: Hello everyone
Selma: Afternoon Khathu
alt: 3rdthawkins, did you look at the collections at the Genealogy Center @ Ft. Wayne? 8 pages worth in PDF http://www.genealogycenter.org/pdf/AboutUsBrochure.pdf
alt: hello khathu
Seventies Soulchild: Hi khathu . . . .multi-tasking. . .
3rdthawkins: looking at it now alt
alt: khathu, a quickie on the Buffalo Soldier's in TX.. this site has a map which might be of interest http://www.nps.gov/history/hdp/exhibits/african/buffalo.htm
Selma: I always like the PERSI file
Selma: Persi Index
alt: wb daviss
3rdthawkins: hello davis
Seventies Soulchild: hey daviss. was wondering when you would join us!
daviss: hello to all I have not seen
Spivey: Welcome back daviss.
alt: Persi.. ACPL is the creator right, Selma
Selma: Yes alt. Nice map alt
alt: thought you might like that Selma LOL
daviss: I am just catching up on chat so far I see you were discussing the Allen County post I wish that they would have waited until they had more to offer lol
alt: Any thought on the "Protecting My Research" thread on the Gen/Hist Forum?
daviss: Lisa says no meat lol
Seventies Soulchild: Ok I really need to read the forums more often... lol
daviss: naww not really alt. I guess people have the right to share freely or to hoard for a book lol
alt: daviss, the site is just a Link to what all ACPL has to offer. Their thing is their collections which are available thru ILL..
Seventies Soulchild: This subject comes up quite a bit about protecting research.
alt: Protection here has a different meaning to me... I was thinking of protection in the form of 'backup" & preservation methods.
Seventies Soulchild: Well I don't mind sharing with family members...
daviss: I guess alt when I got the alert, the way it read was that they were going to put up more access. At least that was what I thought I read I have been known to make mistakes
alt: I see daviss.. no mistake and thanks for sharing.
daviss: like third, I think I would have wished for a working link
alt: they 'lauched' the African Gateway link at the IBGS Conf last year.
Seventies Soulchild: I'm browsing through the subject now... wow there is a new online publishing company? Blurb... cool
daviss: I think alt that people really get offended when you do all the work and some relative comes along and takes it and claims it as their own without even mentioning where it comes from
Seventies Soulchild: Right daviss. I always, ALWAYS give credit to family members who give me information.
daviss: thats the proper way seventies IMHO
3rdthawkins: is there a way to copyright your work, and does it cost (like, a lot)
alt: I know daviss, have had that happen to me.. that is one of the main reasons for my Tribal Pages Website... put MY stuff up there for the whole world to see.
3rdthawkins: which doesn't matter in this case if family members are just saying they did it or give the impression they did it, long as they aren't using it in a way that will violate copyright laws
alt: a thought... does YOUR genealogy really match that of your relatives?
Spivey: What do you mean alt?
alt: I think it does only for siblings, otherwise it is different
3rdthawkins: Seventies Soulchild didn't you speak one time about how websites automatically copyright the material on their website, I think you were talking about your blog?
daviss: only to a certain point alt
alt: your pedigree doesn't match anyone but your siblings, right?
Seventies Soulchild: Yes that was a question I had about my blog.
3rdthawkins: did you find the answer?
Seventies Soulchild: I wanted to trademark my name FamilyGriot
daviss: thats why I say to a certain point alt.
3rdthawkins: right, I remember, I was wondering, do websites lay claim to your work once you put it on their site??
Seventies Soulchild: I didn't find out the answer to that.
alt: your first cousins pedigree is quite different from yours.
daviss: right because of marriage
alt: but that is 'family' daviss and what we call OUR research.
daviss: some people don't expand beyond that alt lol
alt: it is an interesting thought OUr research is different from anyone else when we get beyond our parents... the relationships are different.
daviss: as Irita would say "Yeppers"
Selma: It is the part before the parents
daviss: before the parents Selma
alt: yes Selma,, we have different grandparents and beyond from our cousins, and that makes for differing genealogies IMHO LOL
Selma: Its usually the earlier and hardest info to obtain that folks get upset about
daviss: I have no first cousins on my maternal side
3rdthawkins: you mean none living daviss?
alt: hello AYWAlton
vkn: good point 3rd
daviss: my mother was an only child
3rdthawkins: what is that vkn?
daviss: she had first cousins
3rdthawkins: speaking of the copyright? ok, I see daviss, wow
vkn: daviss but did your mom have 1'sts
alt: mine too daviss, but her father had 9 siblings and her mother had 2 siblings
3rdthawkins: right vkn, they would still be first cousins, but a generation removed
daviss: thats right vkn so I have 2nd cousins would that be the same
vkn: Don't we call that 1st once removed?
daviss: 2nd cousins and 1st once removed thats what I want to know
3rdthawkins: as I learned daviss, if your mother's cousins had kids, you would be 2nd cousins to those kids
Seventies Soulchild: your mother was an only child?
alt: they 1st couisns 1 removed as 3rd is saying daviss
daviss: ok so I have 1st cousins once removed then lol
3rdthawkins: your mother's first cousin is your first cousin also, just 1 generation removed
vkn: They are always yours in relation to your mom
alt: right 3rdthawkins
daviss: Oh I know that vkn I just thought they were 2nd cousins
Seventies Soulchild: Maybe we should pull out that relationship chart. . .
Selma: Have to go folks...have a great day
Seventies Soulchild: bye selma
daviss: so I learn something everyday
alt: and their direct line genealogy (ancestor chart) is completely different from mine/your's
daviss: she would say nonya 3rd lol lol
Seventies Soulchild: :}
3rdthawkins: lol I see, won't ask then
3rdthawkins: hello Ingrid
Ingrid_Doweary: Hey Everyone.
Spivey: Hi Ingrid_Doweary!
vkn: consanguinity (spelling)
alt: so in that sense I'm asking ''how is my genealogy, your genealogy and vice versa?"
daviss: hello Ingrid
3rdthawkins: yes, you would have to correct that spelling vkn, cause I don't know what that is lol
vkn: howdy ingrid
daviss: as in the reason why you freely give alt
alt: yep daviss
daviss: good point!
3rdthawkins: yes alt and daviss, in my case, my maternal first cousins are half cousins, they have the same grandmother I have but their grandfather is my mother's stepfather. So doing research for that line I will have to freely give that information, it is there's.
vkn: Consanguinity is the correct spelling to do with kinship
3rdthawkins: oh ok vkn, thx I never heard that word before, so if it is misspelled, I wouldn't know :}
Ingrid_Doweary: 3rd, I share that position on two fronts. My husband and my mother.
daviss: btw 3rd can you ask your mother if she knows a Geneva Lindsey
vkn: Spivey put Consanguinity in our glossary
Spivey: I did vkn?
3rdthawkins: well, better yet, I'll ask one of my aunts they live there and would know more daviss
vkn: goody good spivey
Ingrid_Doweary: My husband's father shares Consanguinity with another family clan by way of the matriarch ancestor.
alt: great example.. Obama being cousins 10th cousins to Palin & Limebaugh... are their genealogies the 'same'?
3rdthawkins: or ask my step grandfather
Seventies Soulchild: Oh god I hope not... lol
alt: and is Palin & Limbaugh's genealogy the same
Ingrid_Doweary: My mother shares consanguinity with extended aunts and uncles by way of her father.
Seventies Soulchild: No they just share one common ancestor
vkn: well seventies we all be kin Remember that Nile Valley mother lol lol
3rdthawkins: yep, Spivey is my great aunt :}
Ingrid_Doweary: Nile Valley mother, Vkn?
Spivey: I think that is what consanguinity is all about Ingrid_Doweary. sharing of bloodlines.
Ingrid_Doweary: I concur Spivey.
daviss: lol @ vkn the begin
3rdthawkins: :} :} hi aunt Spivey
vkn: Ingrid_Doweary where all life started
Spivey: lol 3rdthawkins.
vkn: absolutely spivey
daviss: and from there vkn here I is lol
vkn: me be is too lol
Seventies Soulchild: true vkn
Spivey: That's a deep subject daviss and vkn. I'm a little teapot, short and stout; here is my handle, here is my spout; if you're my ancestor I'll smoke you out; 'cause I'm a little teapot with a snout. ROTFL.
vkn: let's keep diving
alt: this protecting one's research is kin to saying " I did it all, no one helped me, in any way"
Seventies Soulchild: I gotta go, these people are asking me to do work... but I've been working through my 'lunch' lol *sigh*
Spivey: Not necessarily, alt.
Seventies Soulchild: byeeee
daviss: Have you ever been somewhere and see a person of another color that looks exactly like someone you know
vkn: bye 70 yup daviss
Spivey: Yes, daviss. Eerie.
3rdthawkins: Ingrid_Doweary off topic, is there a naval base near these addresses in Washington, DC: 2903 12th St. NE; 816 Div. Ave. NE; and 2620 Rhode Island Ave. NE all are near/close to the university my grandfather went to
alt: what is this person saying then Spivey.. other than it's MINE.
AYWalton: Good afternoon, all.
Ingrid_Doweary: 3rd, I provide a map to show their vicinities.
AYWalton: Hello 3rd, alt, daviss, Ingrid, Spivey.
3rdthawkins: definitely daviss, funny thing is, I see a lot of white guys and they resemble my brother who is much darker than they
Ingrid_Doweary: Hey AY.
alt: hello AYWalton
Spivey: There are more than one reason a person feels compelled to protect their research findings, alt, the most common of which is the copying/borrowing of the information by others who didn't contribute anything to the mix.
3rdthawkins: Ingrid_Doweary I'm looking at google map now, trying to find a naval base what would be the name
Spivey: Hi, AYWalton!
3rdthawkins: welcome Aywalton
daviss: There was a lady that worked at Western Electric that was the spitting image of my x sister in law. same features, walk , everything! She was from NY and was tranferred to Phx
Ingrid_Doweary: I need to pull it up also.
daviss: hello AYWalton
alt: okay Spivey..I guess... but how do you 'copy' data/information that is ine the public domain?
3rdthawkins: hmm, that is interesting daviss
Spivey: Perhaps 'copy' isn't the correct term alt. You think of a better one.
alt: you may 'copy' the format the dat is portrayed, but not the data.
Spivey: I imagine you know exactly what I mean alt.
alt: I do and I'm messing with ya LOL
Spivey: I still have that disable right click HTML code alt. lol
daviss: AYWalton are your eyes swollen this morning? lol
alt: My tact is to put MY stuff ot there in as many formats. venues, media as I can... and you can get from it what you and call it your's ,, if you care to LOL
daviss: well alt some of those pictures you have on your site seem tempting
alt: Okay daviss,
daviss: anyone watch the Delaware debate
Spivey: Not I daviss.
alt: I turned away from it daviss
daviss: I could not sleep last night so I watched it
Ingrid_Doweary: 3rd the 2903 12th St. NE, Washington, DC address is closer to the Catholic University address, 620 Michigan Ave., N.E., Washington, DC
alt: that woman is 'scary'....
daviss: I wished that I could have seen the one in Cali
3rdthawkins: right Ingrid, I got that address from someone who helped me, at the time I didn't think it could be my grandfather, but now looking back at it, I am very sure it is him Ingrid_Doweary the other addresses are the ones my grandfather lived at later on, Divis Ave. in 1954 and Rhode Island in the 70s
daviss: well folks time for me to head out before this 98 degree weather hits me
Spivey: Have a good one, daviss.
3rdthawkins: still 90s? wow
daviss: u2 and thx dont forget to ask 3rd
Spivey: 'm heading out too. Bye everyone.
3rdthawkins: oh ok
alt: 3rdthawkins, are there on-line city directories for Wash DC that you can get the address then do google maps for their locations as of today?
3rdthawkins: wow, I think they ran into each other leaving lol no alt, only at the library DC library that is
alt: okay, they aren' on ancestry, or don't you have ancestry?
Ingrid_Doweary: Since I'm currently covering the circulation desk. I need to study time.
3rdthawkins: I don't have it, no, and ancestry doesn't carry them
alt: okay I see 3rdthawkins
Ingrid_Doweary: Did I miss a question?
alt: i was asking about DC city directories on Ancestry and then using google maps Ingrid_Doweary
3rdthawkins: alt was asking if city directories for DC was online,
alt: have you tried google maps for those addresses as of today 3rdthawkins, or are they now non-existing?
3rdthawkins: I'm looking at them now alt, they are still in existence, was looking for a naval base, I guess the naval yard in SW DC would be the one???
alt: okay 3rdthawkins .. ain't google great!!!!
3rdthawkins: lol yep
alt: reminds me to see if my 'old' homesteads in Piqua are on google.
3rdthawkins: I'll email you all the details Ingrid and what I am looking for
alt: and if so compare the pics to the ones in took in the 1990's
Ingrid_Doweary: I have access to Ancestry and access to DC public library. Sorry for the daily-interfacing with patrons.
alt: laters y'all.. I'm through 'starting trouble' for today LOL
3rdthawkins: ok alt, have a good one
Ingrid_Doweary: oh well.
3rdthawkins: that's cool Ingrid, I understand, I won't get upset at people who actually work, unlike me :}
Ingrid_Doweary: :} Don't be like that 3rd. I know you work.
3rdthawkins: nope, no job
Ingrid_Doweary: Okay you do work on something I'm sure.
3rdthawkins: yes, I do work on something :}
Ingrid_Doweary: lol ROTFL. Of course! What's new AY?
3rdthawkins: ay hasn't said a word since she's been here
Ingrid_Doweary: Let get back to work I'll followup with you soon. Bye yall.
3rdthawkins: ok, bye Ingrid