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alt: hello frances stephens,, how are ya today? frances stephens: Good Afternoon alt. I am fine, and you. Where is everyone? alt: Hello spivey frances stephens: Hello spivey Spivey: Hi alt, frances stephens! alt: they're starting to arrive now frances stephens ... frances stephens: I see. alt: frances stephens, you are in Ypsilanti (sp) MI? frances stephens: Yes I am. alt: Spivey had some questions on that area last week on a possible ancestor. that is Washtenaw Co.,, or nearby, right? frances stephens: Oh, I was not on here last week. There are times when I will miss several days. khathu: hello everyone alt: Hello Khathu frances stephens: Washtenaw County is correct Hi Khathu alt: khathu, read you message to SRT... good job of 'splainin your case... frances stephens: Alt, do you have family here? khathu: thanks alt Spivey: alt, I found this since I last spoke of Louis KELSEY: http://tinyurl.com/25h4sbe alt: Here you go frances stephens, my website http://tinyurl.com/382ytzp very good Spivey... looks like you will be able to glean some good info on this Louis Kelsey Spivey: I think so alt. And, I also now believe he is my ancestor. I have spoken with other family members and we do indeed have relatives in the Lansing area of Michigan. I could sometimes kick myself though, alt. I just discovered the Civil War database at Ancestry.com. alt: Spivey, there is a book "Swamp Angels" a biographical study of the 54th Massachusetts Regiment by Robert Ewell Greene ... Kelsey may be in there He isn't in the abstract that I have, but the bio sketches are great!!! Spivey: Thanks, alt. I will look into it. alt: yw Spivey frances stephens: alt, could you or anyone else give me a clear understanding of "collateral family" please. Someone else tried and I missed it. alt: more or less the families that have married into your 'direct' lines.... the children of in-laws for example. hat's my take on collateral families frances stephens frances stephens: Good enough, that explains it. alt: Khathu,, how soon do you expect a response from SRT? are they 'punctual'? frances stephens: Thank you alt, I can pass that on to several other family memebers who are researching their lines. khathu: i don't know alt Spivey: frances stephens, here's a definition from the Urban Dictionary: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Collateral%20Family khathu: i tried to provide a detailed response to each of his points without being arrogant frances stephens: Thanks Spivey. alt: I noticed khathu, It will take them awhile to 'digest' everything that you threw at them Spivey: You're welcome frances stephens. khathu: they may see it as being arrogant this ordeal will be a blog entry alt: of course, you're defending your position in a very articulate manner... people of color aren't supposed to be able to do that, without being called arrogant. khathu: exactly frances stephens: Have any of you requested any information from LDS. There is something I would like to get a copy of. alt: yes frances stephens, you might check to see if there is an LDS Family History Center (FHC) near you, they often have and/or can get materials for you rather quickly frances stephens: Great, did it take a very long time or were they quick with a response. alt: I go to an FHC nearby frances stephens and they are rahter 'quick' in getting materials frances stephens: I am looking for the Family Bible of my GreatGrandmothers owners (putting it nicely). I know they have the records. And I know who was the last owner of the Bible. alt: also try this site for what might be available in your area of research http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp frances stephens: Checking it out now. alt: now that might be a difficult item to come by frances stephens, sounds as if it would be in 'private hands' and not available to the public khathu: Hello 3rd alt: Spivey.. your Lansing connections.... did they migrate to MI from the South, or are they part of the Kelsey's that were in MI from the 1850's or so? Spivey: Hi 3rdthawkins! alt: Hello 3rdthawkins Spivey: I haven't researched it that deeply yet alt. Hi daviss! daviss: hello spivey alt: okay spivey,,, you know how quick we are to 'jump' on early questions LOL daviss: and hello to everyone else alt: okay y'all .. da police is in da house LOL Spivey: I think though, alt, that he did not 'move' to Georgia as the article states, but rather 'returned' to Georgia. His whole family is in Georgia on the 1880 Federal census. 3rdthawkins: hello Khathu alt Spivey frances stephens and daviss yesterday, I was contacted by mail by a relative alt: Spivey, there is an AA Kelsey family in Macomb County, MI in 1850. frances stephens: The daughters of the American Revolution have that information listed with the LDS. Complete with reel #, etc. I would rather not make a trip to Salt Lake, but I have been known to do that. Hello 3rd. Spivey: There is also the [undocumented as yet] family story that the KELSEYs were owned by the BRINSON family alt. In Georgia. alt: the patriarch of the family was born ca 1798 in PA ... some of the children were born in Canada. Spivey: What was the result 3rdthawkins? daviss: call the nearest center francis and give them the reel number. They can make copies alt: then you may be able to get a copy of the microfilm via Inter-library Loan frances stephens: Spivey, I see you mentioned the Brinson family in GA. One of the Harvard members was Alice Harvard Brinson. Spivey: BRINSON is one of my surnames frances stephens. I have to check for an Alice. frances stephens: I will try all of your suggestions. Thank you. daviss: The last time I got copies from them here, it was about 15 cents a page. That was quite awhile ago 3rdthawkins: Spivey, a couple months ago I contacted the funeral home in Lake City, SC about my great grandfather Charles Hawkins. Apparently, the undertaker gave the letter to a family member, the family member had a sister who was visiting and she showed the letter to her. So her sister wrote me a nice letter and sent me a photo, I emailed her and hoping for a response alt: that's wonderful news 3rdthawkins, keep plugging away Spivey: Good 3rdthawkins. I got a website yesterday that has copies of old New York newspapers. Would you like it? vkn: howdy all yall 3rd alt daviss frances khathu Spivey 3rdthawkins: she gave me some good info, it appears Spivey alt and daviss, that my great grandparents Charles and Ella were separted, which is "why" my great grandmother moved to Jamaica, NY, my great grandfather would visit NY, he had family that lived there. When he was sick, my great grandmother came back down to "nurse him to health" as the relative said, and they stayed together until he passed alt: vkn is that 'you all' or ..... LOL frances stephens: Spivey, Alice Harvard Brinson died May 9, 1967 Cert# 015693. 3rdthawkins: yes, definitely Spivey vkn: lol y'all 3rdthawkins: I am thinking there is something to hide by my grandfather's siblings sisters I think they thought I was getting too close to the truth alt: now tha's the kind of 'stuff' I'm talking about 3rdthawkins... you're getting beyond the dryness of who, when & where and now starting to get into the what's & why's good work!!! Spivey: frances stephens does the information you're accessing have anything about who her family was? vkn: daviss you be ok" Spivey: 3rdthawkins here's the website. Grab what you can. I am leery about it remaining a free site for long. http://www.fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html 3rdthawkins: ok frances stephens: Spivey, I hope so, but my main interest is what the pages will reveal. 3rd, they usually run for the hill when you get too close. I just had that experience last month in Savannah. daviss: lot going on vkn...aside from both brothers I told you about my transmission went out on car.. I am running like a chicken with its head cut off Spivey: frances stephens can you tell me where she died? Hi Selma. ! vkn: long as you be running and not lose head it be ok daviss Selma: Good afternoon alt, daviss, frances, Khathu, Spivey and vkn alt: hi Selma how is it in the 'Tidewater' area today? vkn: Howdy Selinva daviss: very close vkn, very close frances stephens: I usually give people a little rest then I go right back and start all over again. Doggedly persistent. Selma: Tidewater to sunny and cool...LOL vkn: :::whew::: I know what daviss be meaning I be there doing same thing frances stephens: Alice died in Georgia. I believe Laurens County. alt: the 'home' thread is quite interesting.. good idea. vkn: It is indeed interestingly informative. Great how Toot and Regina had similar rain experiences. Photos are great also daviss: tin roofs, outdoor plumbing, all not so long ago is it :? alt: yes vkn, seems many of us have a lot in common and the photos 'add' to the stories. Selma: Afternoon AY daviss: makes you want to believe what our parents told us about walking to school through the rain and snow for miles lol AYWalton: Good afternoon, all. alt: oh Spivey on the 54th Mass.... they were recruited, mustered in and trained in the North... the were shipped to SC by boat, so there was no 'recruiting' on their way to James Isalnd, Honey Hill, Ft. Sumpter, etc. AYWalton: Greetings, Ms. Selma, 3rd, alt, daviss, frances stephen, khathu, Spivey. 3rdthawkins: I have to go you guys, hard trying to juggle chatting and researching, may be in To nite Spivey: Okay alt. Thanks for that information. vkn: Indeed gives depth to our lives not flat, not surface but multi dimensional also connected alt and y'all. We all be kin!!! Spivey: Bye 3rdthawkins. vkn: okies 3rd daviss: bye 3rd 3rdthawkins: bye Selma: AY...interesting posting by Terry Ligon's on your message board alt: Oops,he's gone.. was gonna tell that 'boy' to get his priorities straight LOL vkn: Spivey did you find out any more details on those kin in PA ( what is surname) Spivey: Kelsey vkn. AYWalton: hope all is well with you, vkn. Spivey: alt has given me some information today. I also found out from family that we do have kin in and around Lansing, Michigan vkn. alt: migration.. anyone read "Warmth of Other Suns" bi Isabel Wilkerson on the migration North by AA's from 1914 to 1970? vkn: right Kelsey I did a bit of searching and that would make for a good case study particularly since I found the only KELSEY in the nation appear to be fpoc and all in PA in 1860. AME church records are prolly very full. The migration to Georgia if that is the case is intriguing... Selma: A friend is reading it now alt..spoke to her this AM..said it is great alt: another 'whopper' Selma about 600 pages Selma: Have we got all winter to read it.. LOL..I am putting it on my Xmas list for my kids alt: Lol @ Selma Spivey: At this point vkn, I can't tell whether the 'migration' was north to south or vice versa since the KELSEY family I am researching were slaves owned by the BRINSON family in Georgia. Perhaps some knowledge about the BRINSON family would tell me whether they, too, had connections with Michigan and Pennsylvania. vkn: alt that writer did a story for Essence when brother Preston King was pardoned by Clinton. She was here at the Auburn Avenue Library on her book tour and fokes from Walton Lakes went. Enjoyable and emotional event. alt: I saw her on C-Span's Q & A .. very good interview vkn Selma: Alt..maybe the 54th didn't recruit out of the North, but I am looking at a list of men who enlisted in VA (specifically Southampton County)..they enlised at Ft. Monroe and credited to "Connecticut-at-large" alt: okay Selma vkn: So many of the residents where I live have MS SC AR roots with Chicago and surrounding landings alt frances stephens: Spivey, your research is taking you to states where I have family connected to the Harvard line. Interesting, what other states would be researching. Selma: They received $100 bounty and the remaing $200..would be paid in installments vkn: and many of them had their own migrating stories to tell. alt: the 54th got their recruits from where ever the could get them .. probabaly not enough AA men in Mass to form 2 fighting units the 54th & the 55th. Spivey: My ADAMS, KELSEY, BRINSON and SPIVEY lines all have roots in Georgia frances stephens as far as my research shows. I have ancillary lines from South Carolina and Florida. daviss: later folks alt: Selma, my point wa that the 54th got to SC vai boats and didn't do any recruiting on that voyage. vkn: AYW BJ told me that y'all spoke Selma: Ok, ok.. Lol AYWalton: yes, vkn, we had a nice chat. she is sending me the materials for the conference. Looking forward to getting everything, vkn. alt: I mentioned a book to Spivey that has bio sketches on the men of the 54th .. Swamp Angels by Robert Ewell Greene. AYWalton: will be there bright and early on Friday mornings with "stuff". Selma: AY...I saw Terry Ligon's posting on Littlefield Seventies Soulchild: Hello all AYWalton: hello there, SoulChile. Selma: You are manning the Afrigneas table AYWalton Spivey: Hi Seventies Soulchild! AYWalton: I will be there, with Ingrid, who will also be there. Oh, there she is. Howdy Ingrid, I just mentioned your name. Selma: Afternoon 70's and Ingrid Ingrid_Doweary: Hey everyone. I'll be in and out, on help desk duty. Seventies Soulchild: hello alt, AYWalton, frances, Ingrid, khathu, Selma, Spivey, & vkn frances stephens: Well Spivey, I am looking at Edgefield County, SC for Gray. Harvards are in Miami, FL area, or thereabouts. alt: hello Seventies Soulchild AYWalton: I will bring you over to the table too, Selma. frances stephens: Hi Soulchild Selma: Yes, I will sign up to do my turn AY...LOL Ingrid_Doweary: Hey SoulChild! AYWalton: greetings, ryan. Selma: Will AY have hats, and T-shirts vkn Ingrid_Doweary: Hey Ryan! Seventies Soulchild: hey ryan! alt: hello Ryan frances stephens: Spivey, there are a lot of Brinson's in Laurens County, Ga. Selma: Afternoon ryan Seventies Soulchild: how is your research coming along, ryan? Its been a long time since I've seen you in here. ryan: Hi AY, Ingrid, 70s, alt, Selma, VKN.. (oh and Spivey) 70's been slow (been busy,) I poke around but nothing new (yet) Seventies Soulchild: yeah... I understand that. AYWalton: Selma were you referring to Terry's blog? Selma: Yes... ryan: Nice to meet you Frances if I have not seen you before vkn: So Spivey not to mind effen we use the Kelsey name as migration case study in the near future. Prolly around the Holiday season. There are a bunch of KELSEY in Alabama and a serious Confederate Kelsey from my Alabama birth area. The name has me with a degree of intrigue Selma: He has a link from the AA-Native message board AYWalton: yes, it links to his blog. Littlefield was there and we had lunch with him the first day. Spivey: What does a 'case study' involve vkn? vkn: Howdy Ingrid and Seventies. Tried to reach you Ingrid Seventies Soulchild: ryan, have you seen any of your relatives migrate out of the Delta area and into Arkansas? Ingrid_Doweary: Howdy, Vkn. I'll touch base with you today. vkn: Will send you a mail as the notion takes crystal and shape Spivey but would be migration related ryan: yes - my grandma did... Many, Many went from the Mississippi Delta to the Arkansas Delta (Cotton to Rice and other crops) Spivey: I will think about it after I receive your e-mail vkn. Thanks for the offer. ryan: Mississippi, Crittenden, and Cross counties just to name a few vkn: Howdy Ryan did not hear you enter ryan: Hi VKN Seventies Soulchild: ok I have one who did that worked for the railroad. Having a difficult time tracking him down. alt: vkn, there is a Kelsey living in MI in the 1850 census .. he was born ca 1798 in PA... he has family in Macomb Co., MI in the 1860 census with children listed as born in Canada.... then the 1870 census seem to have an 'explosion' of Kelsey's in both the North (PA) and the South . Spivey: Sorry, ryan, I didn't see you there. How are you today? ryan: Hey Spivey (again) Spivey: My bad ryan. ryan: what part of the delta 70's ? AYWalton: SoulChile, eastern Arkansas is part of the Delta. Seventies Soulchild: He came up from Woodville (Wilkinson Co.) MS and went to Arkansas City, MS. The family we know ended up in Little Rock, AR Ingrid_Doweary: Even though my weekend was spent visiting with relatives, I did get a chance to scan a bundle of my husband's family documents and photos. The 1941 Baltimore Afro-American newspaper article with my father-in-law was a hit. Seventies Soulchild: But I can only find a WWI draft card for him and the details are sketchy at best. ryan: yes - My dad was born in Memphis, but raised in the Arkansas Delta (just across the Mississippi) so I'm pretty familiar with the area.. I have an uncle in St Francis county (Forest City, Arkansas) also AYWalton: About 30 minutes south of Little Rock, you begin to experience the culture and the "feel" of being in the Delta. alt: wonderful Ingrid_Doweary... aricles & phots always seem to get the family excited. ryan: Helena is in the Arkansas Delta on the river also Seventies Soulchild: I went to Indianola once and .. wow! alt: arilces=articles ryan: Indianola? Seventies Soulchild: Yes Indianola. I forget what county its in, but man I was really green at that time. I was totally shocked at the living conditions. A real eye opener. I was all of 18 and 4 mos! lol ryan: whats state? Seventies Soulchild: Indianola, MS ryan: Ah - Bingo.. I know Indianola, MS its in Leflore county Seventies Soulchild: back in 1990 it was still a bit dangerous to travel to places like that. sad to say. ryan: My mom is from, Greenwood (county seat) - yes Deeeeep in the Delta vkn: Yes the name is most intriguing alt. Spivey the 'study' would not be specific to your family particularly. Just another research approach potential for clues to finding... So glad you introduced the situation. I have a similar situation with BENHAM and TOWNSEND....so stay tuned Spivey: Okay vkn. Will do. frances stephens: Ok, people, I must depart, Until another day. Spivey: Whoa, it IS late isn't it? AYWalton: Yes, I have to run, myself, folks. vkn: oops it sure is AYWalton: everyone have a great day. Spivey: Bye ryan: My bad, Indianola is the county west of Leflore (but still only like 10 miles from Greenwood) vkn: Guess I was late to this party ryan: Sunflower county Ingrid_Doweary: So was I, Vkn. Selma: I've got to run too...see you all this evening alt: okay y'all .. a bit of trivia... what was the first State admitted to the Union where slavery or involuntary servitude was never legal? Selma: Ok I will wait for the answer ryan: Ohio Ingrid_Doweary: Ryan, my paternal grandmother was born in Sunflower County, MS. alt: bingo Ryan.. you win LOL Selma: LOL...figures ryan: I just guessed alt Ingrid_Doweary: Good for you, Ryan. Hollyweird: Hello Family Seventies Soulchild: hey Holyweird! Ingrid_Doweary: Hey Hollyweird . ryan: Ingrid Seventies Soulchild: LOL Hollyweird! my bad! Spivey: Hi Hollyweird! alt: OMG.. look who has graced us with his presence... hello Hollyweird ryan: What surnames you got out of that county? Hollyweird: Graced? Seventies Soulchild: It pays to be late on certain days... lol vkn: William in disguise lol Hollyweird Spivey: William? Hollyweird? Can you tell more vkn? Ingrid_Doweary: Hughes is the surname, Ryan. alt: hello young fella.. congrats again with your youngsters and the fine track season the yhad. Hollyweird: Thank Alt Seventies Soulchild: lol wow alt! lol vkn: Now Spivey not let my memory outshine you lol I am the eldest lol ryan: ok - don't have a lot on my moms side - though I know they came out of Carollton (Caroll county) early 1900s, and went west to the next county Leflore - Greenwood.. No Hughes though Seventies Soulchild: We're still working on the Finnish word BTW will.I.am Spivey: William is a common name vkn and I don't remember anyone named Hollyweird. vkn: Oops the tax fixer is here. Got to get the paperwork in fore the 15th see yall later ryan: gotta run yall... catch ya later... Spivey: Bye ryan. Bye everyone. Hollyweird: So all is well in here I hope Ingrid_Doweary: No problem, Ryan. alt: Hey Hollyweird, you caught me as I was about to leave, but what's been happening with you? Hollyweird: Been busy coaching. I'm at a private school now alt: movin' on up LOL lOL lOL Hollyweird: is definately Hollyweird at that school But some good kids that need to be "directed" alt: naw, we ain't lettin no brutha do any directing LOL Hollyweird: I got Wayans, Foxx,Jenner,A. Anderson and Cedric the entertainers kids there Ingrid_Doweary: No directing for the Brothers? Seventies Soulchild: oh wow! Hollyweird: Yep Plus alot of "bergs" alt: oh my... those upwardly mobile people of color and those other folks LOL Hollyweird: lol Actaully the kids are responding well which is shocking the parents actually Seventies Soulchild: That's a good thing. Hollyweird: yes indeed All they needed was some attention alt: probably just takes someone like you who remebers wereh they came from and is not caught up in the 'flash of show business" Ingrid_Doweary: I agree that's encouraging. Hollyweird: that's it alt I told them straight.. I'm broke more ways than a window in a car crash... and besides. IT"S YOUR PARENTS MONEY! Seventies Soulchild: lol alt: there you go Hollyweird ... so you show me what you can do and not their money, huh? Ingrid_Doweary: There it IS! Hollyweird: I am blessed to be making an impression on these kids Seventies Soulchild: yep.. that's great. alt: that is great!!!!!! Hollyweird: And that's what has gotten the parents excited and on my side Ingrid_Doweary: Youth need more effective adults like yourself. alt: I knew you had it in ya ,,, boy LOL Hollyweird: Ingrid_Doweary -thank you Seventies Soulchild: Too bad you're not at a public school... Ingrid_Doweary: You're welcome. Hollyweird: Seventies Soulchild -that's why I volunteer Ingrid_Doweary: I agree Seventies. Public schools get left out alot. Hollyweird: been a volunteer track coach for 10 years Seventies Soulchild: I had a similar conversation about this at lunch. We were talking about Waiting for Superman, the documentary. Hollyweird: In LA you have to have teaching creds to coach alt: hey Hollyweird, I may have some more Tuskegee Airmen 'stuff' are you still collecting? Ingrid_Doweary: You volunteer with the public schools, Hollyweird? Hollyweird: alt -Of course! Ingrid_Doweary: Have you seen the film, Seventies? alt: okay.. think I still have your 'land address' Seventies Soulchild: Not yet... jury is still out on if I'm going to see it or not. Hollyweird: Wow! Thank you Seventies Soulchild -see what? Ingrid_Doweary: I was thinking the same. I appreciated the 2-day Education Nation Summit. Seventies Soulchild: Waiting for Superman, a documentary about education in the US Hollyweird: Ok Seventies Soulchild: Khathu went to that as well. did you see him in B'More? alt: Hey y'all.. I gotta run tkae care and Hollyweird keep in touch. Seventies Soulchild: take care alt Hollyweird: alt -bye BB Seventies Soulchild: I'm thinking about hopping over to this library and looking at some of these genealogy periodicals. Ingrid_Doweary: Hey Hollyweird, do any of these names, Veda Campbell or Ron Deveaux ring a bell for you? Hollyweird: nope Ingrid_Doweary: Okay, thanks. Seventies I'm still working on the Civil War Ancestor. Hollyweird: my router is acting up folks... I keeps wanting to drop me like I'm hot LOL Seventies Soulchild: Hollyweird: I have to reboot Seventies Soulchild: ok Ingrid_Doweary: No, I missed the opportunity this past Sat. Got the Descendants' Day announcement late. Hollyweird: t get back in I want to wish you all a blessed day and 70's see you in FB Seventies Soulchild: Yes 4 just kind of dropped in my lap Ingrid... lol ok later Hollyweird Hollyweird: Ingrid_Doweary -adios Ingrid_Doweary: Later Hollyweird Seventies Soulchild: They sent me an e-mail about it, but I don't think I'll be getting to D.C. anytime soon. Ingrid_Doweary: Understood. I contact you when the videos of the presentations are available. Seventies Soulchild: I still don't have my video from the videographer... I'm a little heated. Ingrid_Doweary: This past weekend was a 60th B-Day for my sister-in-law and my west coast brother-in-law arrived to attend. Seventies Soulchild: Nice! Ingrid_Doweary: Have you bee able to contact the videographer? Seventies Soulchild: No Ingrid_Doweary: Sorry to hear that. You may have to contact Hari Jones to contact him. Seventies Soulchild: I've already called them.. lol My family is waiting on this video... That's what's upsetting. I may just do my own video with my slides Ingrid_Doweary: Oh okay. Good luck on that. I'm sure they are. I have some photos I took of your presentation. There it is. Seventies Soulchild: Ooh... please post them on the Afrigeneas Leaders Lounge.... Ingrid_Doweary: Okay, will do. Seventies Soulchild: I hope I didn't look too fat in the photos... Ingrid_Doweary: Don't worry, Seventies. You look great! Seventies Soulchild: thanks again Ingrid! Ingrid_Doweary: You are quite welcome. :} Seventies Soulchild: I hate to run, but I'm working and chatting... lol I need to get back to work... have a good afternoon. Ingrid_Doweary: Great. You do the same. *TuesNiteStart: 20:50:20
vkn: Good evening to all. Came in early to do a bit of janitoring. Will probably leave early because eyelids are already growing heavy Read a couple of interesting blogs by chance. You may want to check em out 1. http://tinyurl.com/3xlkvfn Khathu: hello vkn vkn: Howdy doody Ingrid_Doweary: Hey Vkn and Khathu. vkn: Howdy doody khathu U 2 Ingrid Khathu: Hello Ingrid Ingrid_Doweary: What's new? vkn: Khathu I was surprised to hear you in chat speak of the application rejection. I thought you were in. What hoppen if I may ask. Comes as a shocker. All in my corner is old Ingrid lol Ingrid_Doweary: Okay. vkn: Ingrid can we pui you power point on line at AfriGeneas? Spivey: Hi Ingrid_Doweary, Khathu and vkn! vkn: Howdy Doody Spivey Spivey: Hi Seventies Soulchild. Seventies Soulchild: Hello all! vkn: Howdy Doody Thompson Spivey: Hi Thompson! Thompson: Hello All Seventies Soulchild: Hello Thompson. That's one of the surnames I'm researching Thompson: Hope you don't mind me joining you Seventies Soulchild: hi vkn, Khathu, Spivey, Ingrid_Doweary hi alt Spivey: Is the given name Percola [called Pepsi] familiar to you Seventies Soulchild? Seventies Soulchild: No Khathu: Hello alt, Seventies, Spivey and Thompson Spivey: Hi alt! Ingrid_Doweary: Hey Spivey, Thompson, Seventies Soulchild and Alt. vkn: Thompson not at all you are mighty welcome Khathu: Seventies did you get my email Spivey: Okay Seventies Soulchild. Her married surname was Thompson. Khathu: khathu alt: Hello All, Ingrid, Khathum 70's, Spivey, Thompson & vkn Thompson: I'm hoping that someone may be able to help me with a brick wall Khathu: jyst checking to see if my speakers were on Seventies Soulchild: I haven't checked my mail all day today Khathu: i sent it yesterday what is your brickwall thompson Thompson: May I give some background first? Seventies Soulchild: Yes I read it and I thought it was on spot. Khathu: absolutely Spivey: Thompson, what and where is your brickwall? vkn: Thompson by all means Thompson: I am working with the U.S. Army trying to find living family of soldiers who were missing in action in past wars.......one of my soldiers was from Lincoln Co., KY Seventies Soulchild: What war? Thompson: Korean War Seventies Soulchild: ok Thompson: The Army would like to re-establish contact with the family Seventies Soulchild: ok Thompson: I know who the soldier's mother was, and his grandmother I even know who his great grandparents were.........but for the life of me, I can't find the parents of his grandmother. Selma: Good evening everyone Seventies Soulchild: What records have you looked at for the grandmother? Thompson: In order to prove direct lineage, I need to know who the parents of his grandmother were. Spivey: The parents of his great granparents Thompson? Thompson: Just about everything that's available online Seventies Soulchild: Ah .. ok Thompson: parents of his grandmother Spivey Seventies Soulchild: Have you tried pulling a DC for the grandmother from the state archives? Spivey: Thompson, perhaps you can explain a bit more about what you do so we know why it's important to establish his lineage that far back? Seventies Soulchild: What timeframe are we looking at here? late 1800's Thompson: No, unfortunately research requests from their archives can take up to 8 weeks Seventies Soulchild: Well, I mean are you in that much of a rush? Thompson: Grandmother was born in 1885 Seventies......yes.......unfortunately we are given a specific amount of time to find family Seventies Soulchild: So we about people who may have been born just after slavery. Thompson: most probably I've found various death certificates for some of the family, but can't find anything to connect the grandmother vkn: Thompson perhaps we might consider partnering with you to do that? Ingrid_Doweary: Hey Selma Seventies Soulchild: Do you have a marriage certificate for the grandmother? Thompson: How would that work vkn? I don't have a marriage cert but do know the date........ 9 Jan 1907 vkn: Howdy doody Sel Seventies Soulchild: Do you have an extract of the marriage certificate? alt: I would suggest you post all of your known informmation and your goal on the Brickwall Forum... unless there are some privacy issues. Thompson: no unfortunately.....the marriage I picked up from USGenWEb for Lincoln co. Seventies Soulchild: You're gonna need to go back to do some good old fashioned visiting the archives and library, IMO. Selma: The grandmother was born in 1885, so her parents probably 1860's...why is it necessary to go that far back? Thompson: Which could be difficult as I live in Wisconsin heh vkn: Thompson Just talking from top of head. Send me an email re your long term [8 weeks needs] and I will give it some thought vkn@agrigeneas.com Seventies Soulchild: Another insightful question. I'm under the impression that you are looking for living relatives. No? Thompson: Selma, we are required to provide a family history showing lineage That's correct Seventies Selma: The army wants this? Thompson: Yes Selma: If I might ask...for what? alt: and this person iw.was MIA from Korea? Thompson: There's a possibility that they may have recovered remains Ingrid_Doweary: Yes Thompson, my niece's husband required the same information. to enlist. Selma: Ah.... Thompson: That's correct alt Selma: This person was black? Thompson: and the Army uses DNA for identification That's correct Selma. I've spoken with a gentlemen in Lincoln Co., who says he's related, but unfortunately doesn't know how. Seventies Soulchild: I would bill the gov't for the cost of expediting those records you may need from KY... New fiscal year just started Friday.. lol alt: have you been in touch with Megan Smolenyak? She does this type of DNA genealogy. Thompson: LOL Seventies Spivey: May we have the name of the person you're seeking to identify Thompson? Thompson: alt........I've been doing it for 10 years too alt: and she works with DOD... vkn: Thompson addy correction send to forum@afrigeneas.net if you are interested to pursue Thompson: Spivey, you mean the soldier? Seventies Soulchild: Start with the name of the grandmother who's parent's you're trying to locate Spivey: Yes please Thompson. Where was he born? Where did he live? Thompson: The grandmother is Lucy Goode Thurmond/Thurman/Thurmon, aka Mary L. Thurmond, etc. Selma: Grandmother born in 1885 married in 1907 Thompson: Lucy married Will Goode alt: hello deannie Seventies Soulchild: in what state Thompson? Selma: What state did she marry... Thompson: Lincoln Co., KY deannie: Evening everyone Seventies Soulchild: hi deannie Spivey: Hi deannie! Khathu: hello deannie vkn: Howdy Deannie Ingrid_Doweary: Hey deannie. Thompson: The family seems to stay in the Stanford area. Hi Deannie Seventies Soulchild: Anyone have access to proquest from home? deannie: Not here Seventies Soulchild: ok I'm going to quickly look on some sites to find out what the surrounding counties are... brb Thompson: thank you Seventies Spivey: Thompson, what resources have you used in your search? Ancestry, ProQuest, FamilySearch? Thompson: Ancestry, FamilySearch, USGenWeb, Cyndi's List, you name it.....I've been working this case for months. although I don't have access to proquest Ingrid_Doweary: How would ProQuest be helpful, Seventies. ? alt: wouldn't information on 'living people' be too current to be found on genealogical research sites? Spivey: Okay. Sorry, I won't be able to help you then. I only have Ancestry as a paid provider. Seventies Soulchild: Thought maybe there would be some add'l records there Ingrid_Doweary Selma: Is Lucy living with her grandparents in 1900..Robert and Ellen Thompson: alt.......first I have to know who the living people are. Richard and Ellen..... Seventies Soulchild: We are looking for the parents of Mary Lucy Thurmond Goode... Ingrid_Doweary: Okay, I was going to see if I had access from work. alt: but doesn't genealogy work from the present back? Spivey: If Lucy/Mary Thurmond was born in 1885, she might be in the records alt. Ingrid_Doweary: That's is my understanding, also, Alt. Thompson: I even know that my soldier had a half sister, but unfortunately she is deceased Seventies Soulchild: what about her children? Any hits on the sisters obit? Spivey: Thompson, have you used a service [free] called people411.com? Seventies Soulchild: or intelius.com?? Thompson: yes, but that doesnt' help if I don't have a name alt: or zabasearch? Seventies Soulchild: So you don't know the half sisters name? Thompson: yes, but found her in the death index for ky and couldn't find a marriage for her Seventies Soulchild: What about city directory or public directory listings? Spivey: People411 gives you names of 'related' individuals Thompson even though they may not be living in the same state. vkn: Glad you joined us this evening Thompson, Come again. Niters all Seventies Soulchild: nite vkn alt: MIA in Korea.. that's possibly 60 years ago Thompson: Spivey that would be great, but first I have to have some kind of name to go oops....... some kind of name to go by Spivey: Thompson, try Lucy Good Thurman first. It will give you some indication of who her relatives are if she's listed there. Thompson: in other words, I need to know the name of a possible living family member before I can contact them alt: so we would have to construct his famliy from the era of the Korean War and come forward? Thompson: that's right alt Selma: There is another child in the house with Lucy and her grandparents...have you tried to track her thompson? alt: and how would going back genealogically do this for us? Thompson: I know Lucy was still alive in 1952 when her husband Will died Selma, let me look at my notes......I'm sure I did Spivey: Living where Thompson? Thompson: Selma, May J. Thurman, born Oct 1887 in 1900 census for lincoln co....... Khathu: goodnight everyone Thompson: I haven't been able to find anything on her I don't want to hog the chat..... Selma: Lucy and the soldier married when? or did I miss that Thompson: soldier wasn't married Ingrid_Doweary: I'm in Heritage Quest by way of my public library. http://persi.heritagequestonline.com/hqoweb/library/do/persi/results/articles Thompson: Lucy is grandmother of the soldier Selma: OK..sorry...late I got confused.. LOL.. Seventies Soulchild: So you're going to try to do DNA based on maternal lineage? Thompson: Seventies Soulchild: Well the Army
Thompson: that's correct Ingrid, what does it say in Heritage?
Spivey: Thompson, what are some of the other surnames associated with Lucy Goode Thurman and May Thurman? Besides Thurman?
Thompson: I can't seem to connect via the chat Goode was the maiden name of the soldier's mother who was Mary E. Goode
AYWalton: Good evening all.
Spivey: Hi AYWalton!
alt: hello AYWalton
deannie: Hi AYWalton
Seventies Soulchild: Ah now I understand why you need to track down Lucy Goode's parents
AYWalton: hi Spivey, hello alt, deannie, Ingrid, Ms. Selma, SoulChile, Thompson. I hope you are all well.
Seventies Soulchild: Hi AYWalton
Ingrid_Doweary: Hey AY.
deannie: Yes, and youj
Selma: Evening AY
Seventies Soulchild: Particularly her mother. Could she be living somewhere in the neighborhood?
Ingrid_Doweary: Thompson, see if this link will be helpful. http://tinyurl.com/24nu3vk
Spivey: Ingrid, we can't access Heritage Quest even when you put up the link to the information you are using. At least, I can't.
Thompson: nope, sure can't........wants a login Hi AYWalton
AYWalton: hello Thompson.
Seventies Soulchild: Yep
Spivey: Can you copy and paste the information from there Ingrid_Doweary?
Thompson: silly pop-up blockers......grrr
Ingrid_Doweary: I didn't have any luck with that, Spivey. Thompson can you tell which is the nearest National Archives and Records Administration regional facility near you?
Thompson: I'd have to look that up..........probably over 300 miles away
Selma: Have you checked the area black newspapers for that time frame, which might have had an article about him being missing and his family
Ingrid_Doweary: Which state are you in if I may ask?
Thompson: I'm in northern Wisconsin:}
deannie: Are you near Chicago
Thompson: Selma, I hadn't even thought of the newspapers until late this afternoon when brainstorming with a collegue Chicago = 300+ miles
Spivey: Thompson, perhaps you can answer a question for me that is somewhat off topic.
deannie: Ooop
Thompson: Seventies Soulchild: Is there one in Milwaukee?
Thompson: I'll try Spivey
Ingrid_Doweary: That used to be a 2 hour drive, Thompson. Let me check the archives website
Thompson: LOL, Milw is 250 miles south of me
Selma: My local newspaper, who didn't run to many articles about black folk generally during that time frame...did have articles about black soldiers servingin Korea
alt: if he were MIA in Korea.. wouldn't the local newspapers have some inforamtion on him and his family as of that time period?
Spivey: My uncle was killed in the Korean War. When my grandmother died, the chest containing his awards and the flag that draped his coffin disappeared. Is it possible for me, just a niece, to get copies of his service medals?
Thompson: Selma, I'm going to call tomorrow and see if there's a newspaper down there that might have something
alt: how long have you been working this particular case Thompson?
Thompson: Spivey, you might be able to.....
Ingrid_Doweary: Thompson, see if you can locate a region facility site near you from this National Archives web page. http://www.archives.gov/locations/states.html#IL
Thompson: Ah.......I think about 4 or 5 months.......its been so long I've forgotten!!
alt: okay, I see thanks
Spivey: How, may I ask Thompson, do I go about getting a copy?
Thompson: Spivey, you might be able to contact the National Archives for his service record Check out the National Archives site......I believe there's a link there that tells you what is required. Or at least there used to be......
Selma: When the soldier disappears in 1952..the Army must have contacted someone? Are there records for that
Thompson: Yes, I have what the Army gave me ........
Ingrid_Doweary: Also the Baltimore Afro-American Newspaper goes as far back as 1892. There was a Capitol Edition which published news across the U.S.
alt: How/When did the Army (?) come upon the remains of this soldier? and when did the verification process with the Armay start Thompson?
Thompson: I know that his mother died in OH alt they don't tell us when they found the remains if they have there's been a number of recovery trips into North Korea by recovery teams
alt: I see so he is/was thought to have been a POW if remains came from North Korea?
Spivey: Then it's possible, Thompson, that you may have to search in Ohio as well. You are looking for his grandmother correct?
Thompson: alt, there were many battles during the Korean War where our troops were overun some of the recovery efforts have been done in those areas
alt: overun .. in North Korea?
Thompson: yes
alt: really
Seventies Soulchild: ok its past my bedtime... lol Goodnight all
Thompson: So you can imagine that after this many years, any remains that may have been found are going to be difficult to identify
Spivey: Isn't it likely that U.S. soldiers crossed over into North Korea? Haven't the North Koreans been returning remains to the U.S.? At least I thought I read that somewhere.
Selma: When you say this soldier's mom died in Ohio..do you have an obituary?
Thompson: Those of you who are still here, please pass on my thanks to those who have already left for allowing me to chat this long
AYWalton: you are more than welcome, Thompson.
Selma: No problem Thompson..interesting discussion
Thompson: Spivey, they may have turned over some remains on their own
Spivey: Look above, Thompson. This chat session belongs to you.
Thompson: Oh my!
Ingrid_Doweary: :}
Spivey: Yes, I believe they did Thompson. Some are still being discovered after these many years is my understanding.
Thompson: I don't have an obit on soldier's mom.........couldn't find one
Selma: Where did she die in Ohio Thompson
alt: you have her name and death date/location in Ohio?
Thompson: Yes
Spivey: The grandmother you seek may have been in Ohio as well, Thompson. Have you extended your search for her there?
Thompson: Spivey, yes I did look for grandmother there.....didn't find anything
Spivey: Oh man.
alt: Ancestry has death information for Ohio from 1907 up to 2007
Thompson: Mother died in apparently a nursing home in Hamilton Co., OH on 2 aug 1996 said she was divorced
alt: that late, huh.. those DC's usually have parents surname of the deceased
Thompson: and that her father was a Goode and her mother a Thurman
alt: and would her suranme be the same as her son's?
Thompson: ah no
Spivey: So, Thompson, you're searching for the mother of Lucy Goode Thurman. Lucy was born about 1885 in Kentucky. She died in Ohio did you say?
Thompson: the son carried the surname of his biological father
alt: her married name was not the surname for her son?
Thompson: Mary Goode died in OH, she was a daughter of Lucy Thurman Goode I assume Lucy died in Lincoln Co., KY, but haven't found a death record for her and yes, I'm looking for the parents of Lucy Thurman Goode which if I can find them, may lead me to her siblings, if any, which would clear up the line of descent.
alt: that should be fairly easily obtained from census records, right.. or am I wrong ... again LOL
Selma: Did Mary Goode have any other children?
Thompson: alt, the father and mother of the soldier were not married Selma, she had a daughter by Unknown Reynolds......daughter is deceased
Selma: OK
alt: but Reynolds is not the father of soldier right?
Thompson: Somewhat confusing isn't it? Spivey: What was the soldier's name again Thompson?
Thompson: soldier's name was Richard D. McCowan/Mccowan ack! make that a "c" not a "d"
Spivey: And Mary Goode was his mother?
alt: and he enlisted or was drafted from where?
Thompson: correct enlisted 15 july 1950
Ingrid_Doweary: Richard C. McCowan/Mccowan? Did you say you say you had a draft card for the soldier, Thompson?
Thompson: probably enlisted at Ft Knox no draft card
Spivey: What was the year he went missing in action Thompson?
Thompson: reading from army documents sent to me declared missing 12 Feb 1951
alt: and he was in action North of the 38th parallel?
Ingrid_Doweary: How long ago did you receive the Army documents? I asked because the 60th anniversary was within the past 2 months. Or maybe in July 2010.
Thompson: the papers just say Korea and I got the case sometime in May
alt: but the assumption was he was in North Korea, that's where you stated the remains came from.
Thompson: I've been working with the Army for 10 years.......and as time goes on, the cases become more and more difficult.
Ingrid_Doweary: Wow. Sorry to get off topic. It seems like the records were recently declassified. Am I right, Alt?
Thompson: Not necessarily Ingrid.....
alt: you could be right about that Ingrid_Doweary , I really don't know
Thompson: Recovery efforts have been going on since the late 1990's
Ingrid_Doweary: Okay.
Selma: Interesting discussion ...have to go...Good night..I would check out newspapers Thompson...looking for obits
Thompson: and it takes time to process things and then come up with who might have been in a specific area and declared missing.
Ingrid_Doweary: Nite Selma.
Thompson: darn, I keep missing everyone
Ingrid_Doweary: Yeah, that makes sense.
Spivey: We all do Thompson, don't feel bad. LOL.
Thompson: hee
alt: it is late,,, again Thompson, I suggest you post what you can on the Brickwall Forum.. more eyes to look over what you have and more time to digest your information.
Spivey: People here say bye and they are gone!
Thompson: So I've seen.....lol
Ingrid_Doweary: lol
Thompson: is the brickwall forum on this site?
Spivey: There is one here Thompson. There usually are brick wall forums on genealogy sites like this one.
alt: yes, www.afrigeneas.com and on the front page click the dropdown for Forums
Thompson: ahhh ok
Ingrid_Doweary: http://www.afrigeneas.com/forum-brickwall/
alt: ty Ingrid_Doweary
Spivey: Have you tried any other sites Thompson?
Ingrid_Doweary: YW, Alt.
Thompson: forum sites you mean?
Spivey: Yes Thompson, like this one. With message boards, chat rooms, etc.
Thompson: to be honest, no i haven't been so involved with working on the case, just never thought of it until I found this site today
Spivey: With the deadline you're working under, you must might want to spread out a bit. Sorry I couldn't be of any help.
AYWalton: Well folks, I have to step out quietly. Working on my power point for the conference on Saturday. have a good evening everyone.
alt: this is new to me Thompson, may I ask why a deadline? is this some type of 'contract' work?
Spivey: Goodnight AYWalton.
AYWalton: goodnight to all.
Ingrid_Doweary: Nite
Thompson: yes alt
Ingrid_Doweary: See how slow I am.
Thompson: and another one is missed
alt: contract work?
Thompson: Again, my thanks to you all
Ingrid_Doweary: YW
Thompson: I must stop for the day........been working on this for about 9 straight hours so eyes and brain are getting fried
Ingrid_Doweary: Yes time to rest.
alt: okay Thompson , good luck and nice meeting you
Spivey: You're welcome Thompson. Goodnight.
Thompson: It's been a pleasure to chat with you all.
Spivey: Same here Thompson.
Thompson: Good night.
Ingrid_Doweary: Same here Nite
deannie: I have to run...
Ingrid_Doweary: Nite All
Spivey: I'm leaving too Ingrid_Doweary. Maybe I'll see you in the other room.
Ingrid_Doweary: Maybe.
Spivey: Goodnight.
Ingrid_Doweary: a Cya
Spivey: Okay.
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and you were not arrogant at all... rather polite, I thought
