2014-03-05 • Connect ADAMS & ALLEN
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Selma: Good afternoon vkn..
vkn: Howdy and how be thee this afternoon Mizz Slma
vkn: Not too cold here but I do have an extra heater going
Selma: Missy Professor Dru..stepped off the plane from Florida and our cold weather smacked her in the face..she called me while warming up her car.. LOL
vkn: lol I bet she was weather shocked
Selma: Yes she was.. Afternoon alt
vkn: Howdy Marse Alt
alt: hello vkn & Selma, how are y'all doing today?
Selma: Cold Got my hat on in the house.. LOL
alt: heat is on the way.. we're at 32 degrees as I speak LOL
vkn: Great post from Robert Goins to mailing list
Selma: What was that?
vkn: had not read that previously to my memory
alt: vkn, thank you for the newspaper article on the solomon Northup trail... very enlightening!!!!!
vkn: I thought so also Alt. Daviss had used parts in a blog in the winter
alt: is that right, I must have forgotten.
vkn: oops in October 2013 Time and place alt lol Let me get the Goins piece selma
Selma: Alt..we read so much..its easy to forget..
alt: he did take some of the precautions we thought he should have taken, but he was still very "naive" of the possibilities. that is according to the testimony in the article
Selma: Its easy for us to see all the possibilities from hindsight and 150 years later
vkn: Slavery as it is http://docsouth.unc.edu/neh/weld/weld.html
alt: Oops, Selma must have clicked on the link and got 'booted out'
vkn: wb selma
Selma: Oops..yep alt..that is what happened..will check out later.. LOL Morning Daviss..glad you made it back home
vkn: Welcome Daviss
alt: Hello Daviss, Welcome Home!!!!!!!!!! you were missed!!!!
vkn: Sorely missed
Daviss: Hello alt, Selma and vkn! thanks much, having another sea legs moment lol lol I would have been here on time but looking at Isaa and Cummings
alt: my post on AfriGeneas FB page about the 4x great-grandmother.... made an interesting discovery on her and her grandson she was living with in 1900. Her grandson was "murdered" in 1919 in Columbus, Ohio, the victim of a robbery.
vkn: Had you not searched her previously alt?
Daviss: read your post alt and as always very interesting
alt: I've done a lot of research on her and her family vkn, just wasn't aware of this incident with her grandson.... she had 16 children and 30-40 grandchildren ... that I know of.
Selma: Wow..that’s a lot of folks to research
vkn: So did you find robbery and death in the news alt
alt: one of her granddaughters Carrie Williams Clifford was with DuBois and his troops at Storer College in Harper's Ferry in forming the Niagara Movement. I found his DC on FamilySearch and now I'm looking for the Newspaper accounts of the murder.
vkn: oh ok Soooo was Carrie a Founder of NAACP
Daviss: Wish you much luck with that alt
vkn: Any ties to Richard Allen alt? ALLEN is a powerful name in Columbus Ohio
alt: thanks Daviss... not sure about a NAACP founder vkn, but she was pretty 'big time' in the DC area and wrote a column for a Washington DC newspaper
vkn: I will look her up
Daviss: “The NAACP was founded on February 12, 1909 by a diverse group composed of W. E. B. Du Bois, Ida B. Wells, Archibald Grimké, Henry Moskowitz, Mary White Ovington, Oswald Garrison Villard, William English Walling (the last son of a former slave-holding family), Florence Kelley, a social reformer and friend of Du Bois, and Charles Edward Russell, a renowned muckraker and close friend of Walling who helped plan the NAACP and served as acting chairman of the National Negro Committee (1909), a forerunner to the NAACP.” That is on wikipedia but more may have been involved in the founding
Selma: I was about to say..you sure typed all that fast daviss.. LOL
Daviss: lol lol I wish I could type that fast
vkn: Cutting and pasting is just fine Daviss
Selma: I swear that typing class I took in HS..has served me well all these years Or was it JHS
vkn: We luvs ya as you be Daviss lol
Daviss: Selma my typing teacher and I clashed the first week when she hit me across the knuckles. Ms Lamb I never will forget her that next week I was in a Photography class
Selma: LOL..you should write a Blog Post about her.. LOL
Daviss: If I did not respect my elders I would have grabbed her and hit her knuckles
vkn: My piano teacher cracked my knuckles soooo we were never friends
Daviss: of course I was the only knee grow in the class
vkn: double ouch
Daviss: do they hit us because they love us so lol lol
vkn: Alt is Allen maternal or paternal?
alt: You were in the wrong class Daviss... you should have been in a cooking/sewing class, or something for a domestic LOL LOL LOL
vkn: lol lol lol “The Help”
Selma: I took sewing too.. My grand daughter is fascinated with my sewing box..
Daviss: I was in a home making class also alt and got in trouble there too. I did not level out a teaspoon of sugar lol lol
Selma: Nowadays you would be suspended..
alt: Allen is maternal vkn.... the mother of Peter Allen, my CW ancestor.. and grandmother of Lovina Allen who married into the Adams family .. twice.... she was married to an uncle/nephew combination. first the nephew and when he died she married the widowed uncle. She is the link as to how my mother's parents were 1C x 1R
vkn: Relative marrying was a norm at some point in our history. Guess it is biblical
Selma: Not its inheritance
alt: guess the money was 'dried up' by the time it got to me Selma LOL LOL LOL
Daviss: oops welcome home lol
vkn: Oops daviss. Now seeing the Allen-Adams connection alt thanx
Daviss: back to the old tricks
vkn: be nice now daviss
Daviss: bumpty bunp
vkn: with a bam bam bam
alt: Daviss, I got a message from 23andme that said I had 73 new DNA relatives.... when I looked at the listing I'm still about 995, so they must have "dropped" some of the older matches off my listing.... you know what's up with that type of action?
vkn: Selma did you see the Goins post
Selma: Will have to look later vkn..it throws me out the room
vkn: http://docsouth.unc.edu/neh/weld/weld.html okies
Daviss: I got that also alt. I thought they were just adding them up since the last time they put the message out. As you can tell, they only let you know now when someone asks to share
vkn: Family Tree published a list of 40 bloggers to follow
alt: okay Daviss... the match know where I am if they want to find me.... I ain't looking anymore LOL LOL LOL
Daviss: lol alt
vkn: Robin was the only one of color that I recognized
alt: vkn.. do you think that is because of 'marketing'?
vkn: Couldn’t figure it out
Daviss: plus the other bloggers that belong to the AA Blogging circle
vkn: Maybe the content is broad rather than personal???
alt: Daviss, there are bloggers and then there are 'writers' I put you in the category of a very good writer that has a Blog. that's just my grumpy opinion LOL
Daviss: wow art, thanks
Selma: Very well said alt...
vkn: good distinction
alt: yw Daviss
Daviss: I only blog when I feel like it though :? oh alt cousin Bill will be on Dancing with the stars lol I hope he can handle it at 78 yrs old
alt: I think that is one of the differences... you feel your writings, many of the others are just writing something to say they are bloggers... is that right!!!!!!! Billy dancing, I'll be watching
Selma: I hope he can handle too Daviss..he is kinda up there..
kutoja: Hi Ladies
alt: hello kutoja... good seeing you today
Selma: Afternoon kutoja
vkn: Howdy kutoja how goes it
kutoja: thank you
Daviss: yes he is Selma we shall see. Gotta give him an A for just being lol
kutoja: all of you ladies are very kind
Daviss: hello kutoja!
kutoja: Hello Daviss
vkn: Alt ain't no lady kutoja but he is a refined gentleman
kutoja: Does anyone know of a book about racism an how to deal with it specifically the effects of racism
alt: hehehehehehe @vkn .. I was just waiting for you to expose me as a "dude" LOL LOL
Daviss: lol alt
kutoja: sorry about that Hi Ladies & Gentlemen
alt: thank you kutoja, no problem
vkn: humph I left "grumpy" out of sentence
alt: you're too kind vkn LOL
vkn: lol Now kutoja you make a big leap from Collards to Racism
kutoja: I was asking about a book
alt: kutoja, you can probably google on something like "how to deal with racism" and get more hits than you can handle
kutoja: I live in a very narrow minded place lol'
Daviss: google is very good
kutoja: I wil I will google it and yes the collards were good
alt: But I would suspect that racism is very different from location to location
Selma: Folks..time for me to run..have a great day
Daviss: I just did a google and quite a few came up
kutoja: yes here its hidden but here
alt: it ain't the same in Georgia as it is in Ohio or Maine or Arizona or Virginia
Daviss: hidden! where do you live
kutoja: Northern Maine Mars Hill
vkn: May I ask your age kutoja
Daviss: I see... I have never been that way
alt: it can be covert, overt, blatant & subtle ....
kutoja: it’s all of the above
alt: is that near Bangor? or Presque Island (sp) ???
kutoja: I sued a bank when I first moved here over racism Presque Isle As far north as you can get basically I own a home here
Daviss: what tests have you been through kutoja
kutoja: I also own land
alt: okay kutoja, I had a bro-in-law who was stationed there during his military days..... Presque Island
kutoja: what do you mean tests ?
Daviss: How have you been personally affected
kutoja: yes he was probably stationed in Limestone 60's 70's 80's the base was really a big part of the community lets see jobs healthcare
Daviss: oh yes
kutoja: all aspects of my life but I'm a natural fighter I have no fear
Daviss: good for you
alt: Has this been all of your life, or just since you been in Maine kutoja?
kutoja: Connecticut was bad as well but Connecticut has come a long way since the Mashantucket Peqouets opened their casino Black Indians that are extremely wealthy in South Eastern Connecticut
vkn: uh oh
Daviss: uh oh
alt: yep, uh, oh LOL
Daviss: booted out like me
alt: won'r Seventies LOVE to be here in this Chat room? LOL LOL
Daviss: lol lol
vkn: bumpy ride today
kutoja: back got booted
Daviss: welcome to the club lol
alt: wb kutoja, vkn has booted everybody today, but me LOL
vkn: lol lol twern't me Back to your family search kutoja
kutoja: I found the whole family tree on my Mothers side on LDS website
vkn: We can try and help you with that
kutoja: just have to do my fathers side
alt: yes kutoja,have you been using ww.FamilySearch.org for your areas of interest in researching your family history?
Daviss: the whole tree
alt: if you're 43 y/o then when was your father born (year & location)
Daviss: is it accurate
vkn: so what of the tree is missing
kutoja: Covington Holland Jr Maryland I dont know his birth date just know he is living he is around 64 an ex military
alt: okay... have you records for his marriage, which would lead you to his parents, or are you already aware of them? since he is a Junior and only 64 y/o, his father should be on the 1940 census records
kutoja: I'm aware of them Virginia Holland is his Mother Covington Holland Sr is his father his father died in like 1976
Daviss: what is Virginia's maiden name
kutoja: Mrs Virginia Holland's Maiden name was Franklin
alt: okay, so you just need to expand your research to include the occupations, education, religion, property ownership, military, etc. as well as that of their families and the areas where they lived
kutoja: some how Virginia Holland is related to the Robins I just don’t know how I will do that
Daviss: I know I am late to the party but do you have a format or something like Family Tree or RootsMagic to put your info in? that was for you kutoja
kutoja: I'm working on that
Daviss: what program are you using?
kutoja: On the LDS website they have a format I can print I was going to use what they have on the LDS Website
vkn: kutoja be aware that stuff on the internet is visible to the world
Daviss: ok you also can download rootsmajic for free http://www.rootsmagic.com/ use the free version I also heard you say your mothers entire tree is online. If you download software, I would start with what you know for sure and above all start with yourself ok now I am through for now lol
kutoja: Thank You I will download it alt
Daviss: welcome and nice to meet you
vkn: Have a good day y'all
Daviss: later vkn
kutoja: I mean vkn will you be emailing the chat log to us ?
Daviss: missed her lol
kutoja: oh Thanks for all your help everyone signing out
alt: You have your work cut out for you kutoja .. and I again suggest you get a genealogy software package to organize your findings
Daviss: I mentioned rootsmajic to him/her well partner as we say, nice seeing ya and I will close the doors and get the lights lol alt
alt: okay laters
Daviss: tell Anita hi