2014-03-02 • Enslaved period research
khathu: Hello jhonora
jhonora: Hello khathu Did you get a chance to hear Selma's presentation on Bernice's program?
keli1: Selma's presentation was a rebroadcast, it was excellent
jhonora: It was very informative In the past she had recommended the Freedmen's Bureau records and I found a labor contract for my ancestors
keli1: it is something that researchers of AfricanAmerican folk, need to know what records and resources are out there RG 105 is a wealth of info
khathu: Hello keli1
keli1: good afternoon Khathu
khathu: Unfortunately for my area of research those are only good for social history
keli1: that is interesting that you say that, hmmm
jhonora: For my family lines, I find that only two appear in the Freedmen's records, probably because of the language barrier in post-Civil War La.
keli1: but it is more than just the Freedmen's records did the labor contract have some info you didn't know?
khathu: The Freedmen Bureau wasn't that active in the State of Texas
jhonora: It had some ages and it confirmed what I suspected that they had been on a particular plantation.
keli1: okay that is good...yesterday at a conference I sat in on the LVA session-they have some good records that will be uploaded online, lots of letters, etc, and court cases that were filed
jhonora: I know that researching families in Texas, like many parts of north Louisiana is often reliant upon successions/estates because many slaves owned by several generations of the same family. Is there any timetable on digitizing those records keli1?
keli1: I believe they finished most of them...
khathu: Also many slave holding families relocated to Texas shortly before or during the CW
keli1: actually his power point might be uploaded on the site, so you can see info. I can't get the link to post, geez, what am I doing wrong in this box, is there a trick to it
jhonora: There is a trick to it, but I can't recall
khathu: hello alrt
jhonora: Hello alt
keli1: it won't paste
khathu: i meant alt
keli1: Hi Art!
alt: hello folks, how y'all doing tday? jhonora, keli1 & Khathu
keli1: I am doing good If you google, you can get to the handouts and presentations, I am not sure if LVA's is up, Fredericksburg Family History Day Art how are you doing?
alt: doing well thank you keli1 I see y'all are discussing FB records & RG 105.
jhonora: Yes, alt, we were discussing how the records are more prevalent in some areas versus others
alt: yep jhonora, and where they are found, they can direct one to some excellent clues on the family's pre-civil war 'activities/composition' Hello vkn
jhonora: Absolutely, alt, the problem I find is documenting enslaved families between sales/transfers
alt: I personally haven't had any success with FB records.
vkn: Good day alt jhonora keli1 Khathu
khathu: Question - are any of you aware of researchers who have been able to identify as well as verify their ancestors on the slave ship manifest?
alt: that can be a tough nut to crack jhonora, but at least one can get a possible time frame & location for those pre-CW days
jhonora: I have only known one person to do so on their own family, khathu. I was able to create a spreadsheet for this one particular plantation and found several slaves going back to the manifests
alt: not me ......on the slave manifest questinon
jhonora: I have identified one of my ancestors back to when he was owned by the slave trader in the 1840s, but no record of manifest. Perhaps he was brought overland, but that's not likely, from Va. to La.
vkn: Nor I
khathu: Personally, I feel that is a very unique record set which require a lot of research prior to consulting it.
alt: have you Khathu?
khathu: Not at all.
alt: no doubt on the pre-research aspect khathu
khathu: However, I have been able to identify an ancestor on the slave insurance roll but that was after I had confirmed and verified the slave owner
alt: a thought on the slave manifest thing.... the port where they were shipped from MAY not even be near the location they were sold for shipment
khathu: Or the name listed may not be their actual name
keli1: hmmm... I believe there are records for the one ship that came in from 1620.
alt: isn't Solomon Northrup a great example..... wasn't he from NY State, but kidnapped in DC and shipped south from Alexandria (?)
khathu: And he was listed as Plat Hamilton
alt: so the point from where he was shipped down south has nothing to do with where he was from.... or even the fact that for him there was no previous slave owner
khathu: I only brought it up because a lady on Facebook stated she located her ancestor on the slave ship manifest and wanted to locate the slave owner who sold him in Maryland there are so many factors that need to be researched and verified
alt: yes , I saw that..Gales/Gayles was the name on the manifest and they were being shipped from Baltimore
jhonora: I wonder if those sale in Md. were recorded - in other words from the upper South owner to the trader who brought them south
khathu: it appeared that she did not do any research on the last slave holding family or anything There should be some type of documentation pertaining to the transaction
alt: I have a Gales/Gayles trail fro Berkeley Co., VA during the same time period 1810-1840
jhonora: There is a book, Cash for Blood, which has transcriptions of many of the outgoing manifests from Baltimore
alt: yes, but would it be a part of the slave manifest?
khathu: The records are probably at the Maryland Archive alt - I was referring to the sale
alt: couldn't Gales/Gayles have been sold in KY, VA or some other State and sent to a 'holding pen' in MD?
vkn: Is the work of Midlo-Hall any help ?
jhonora: Midlo-Hall's work is great, but it ends at 1820 and focuses on one state
alt: the UGRR Museum in Cincinnati has a slave holding pen from KY as one of it's main artifacts..... it was used by a slave trader in KY who bought slaves from all over the upper south to be shipped 'down river'
khathu: It is a possibility alt
alt: Lewis C. Robards was the name of the slave trader and his main office was in Lexington, KY
khathu: I just think a lot more research need to be done on slave traders and the domestic slave trade
alt: for sure khathu Boxley's Forks of the Road website is a good resource for the 'end point' of the inland slave market.... Natchez, MS
khathu: I always wondered how my ancestors who were enslaved by the Moody Family out of Chesterfield County, VA traveled to Freestone County, Texas Was it all overland or a combination of sea and land
alt: there are just sooooo many aspects to researching folks of African ancestry in the good ole US of A
khathu: More than likely it was probably all by land
jhonora: khathu, the Moodys may reference the journey in some of their papers
alt: I think both khathu
khathu: Not that I am aware of but I am planning on visiting the Moody Museum in Galveston, TX
alt: from KY the preferred route seemed to be the Ohio River to the Miss Rivwer and then down south
vkn: Soooooo many. What are specific trendings
khathu: The papers of one of the brother W. L. Moody are housed there. He became a millionaire after slavery by going into the banking industry
alt: trends are time period, locations, economy, etc. vkn.... If I'm understanding your question
khathu: I read one of his letters where he was encouraging his brothers to leave VA and come out to TX
jhonora: There is a microfilm collection called Papers of the American Slave Trade, which contains a lot of information
alt: jhonora, were the Blacks who were educated in the North that went South following the CW... were they considered 'carpet baggers & scalawags'?
vkn: Alt just wondering specifics as opposed to generalizations. Just thinking of the Mel Collier research. Does he show a specific trail?
alt: I see several Oberlin folks who had great influence in the South
vkn: Is there a pattern for others to follow?
alt: I think he does vkn.... and his work, to me, is like a sub-set for researching that period dealing primarily with a SC to MS connection
khathu: vkn - there were specific routes that individuals followed based on the accessibility of the roads
jhonora: alt, not scalawags because that refers to Southerners. I'm not sure if the northern Blacks got the title carpetbaggers. Here of course, there was a division between native born Blacks and the northerners, even in the Republican party. The natives formed a Unionist movement with native-born whites to counter the northern Blacks.
alt: ah so jhonora, thanks for the clarifications your letter to me from the Rev. Henry C. Thompson got me to thinking along the lines of the Oberlin influence
jhonora: alt, the area in which those Ohioans and other northerners made most impact was in church/school work and freemasonry. We owe many of our HBCUs to them.
alt: that's my thinking also jhonora
jhonora: Thompson was connected to Alcorn, Southern Univ., Columbia Univ., and the predecesor to Dillard
khathu: Have a great day everyone
alt: folks be skedaddling LOL
vkn: See the Hammond plantations SC specifics
jhonora: Well, I'm signing off too y'all. Take care!
vkn: Have a good one
alt: vkn, I see Khathu's research, Mel Collier, Michael Henderson, etc. as all slave era research, but there are so many different aspect from each other
vkn: I agree but there must be some specific trendings
alt: that’s why I have trouble getting my arms around 'experts' in that area..... so many different approaches
vkn: yes it is a case by case Are there similarities to any? Perhaps not
alt: transfers within families, financial situations, locations, etc. I guess these would all have a common thread
vkn: Midlo-Hall has a tracking plans on the table
alt: why did folks choose TX as an end point
vkn: Well let us set up a specific chat to discuss possibilities
alt: okay, I can handle that
vkn: Talk tomorrow Alt
alt: i mean, I'm ready for the discussion LOL
alt: , laters