2013-10-03 • More on Slave Births Index
Khathu: Hello daviss
daviss: Hello khathu, how are you?
Khathu: I'm good and yourself/ brb
Khathu: i'm back I guess it is just us here today How is your research coming along
daviss: I am really not doing any of mine, actually focused on other folks if i can and reading a few articles here and there How about you/ ?
Selma: It is going..got the repair man here checking my furnace before the weather changes... Khathu..that discussion yesterday re: births been intruding in my thoughts, when I should be doing some other things.. LOL
daviss: so you have been in the book and index since yesterday Selma comparing the index with the book I mean
Selma: Yes, the on-line index, the book..and an actual birth register Yes, I took a look at a few entries..then said "selma get a life"
daviss: hahahahahaha but I thought we had no other life Selma
Selma: But it does pose an interesting experiment
daviss: does the book list the slave owners in order
Khathu: daviss - someone on FB just stated that he identified the slave owner on the 1867 Texas Voter Registration
daviss: how in the world could they do that
Khathu: i think he meant he was able to locate the slave owner
daviss: where is that located khathu? still I cant figure out how he did that or she
Khathu: it is impossible to identify the slave owner using an 1867 Voter Registration index
daviss: I know do you have the link
Khathu: Matagorda County
Selma: Like Khathu said yesterday..these are "indexes"..which should send you to the original document..
daviss: yes but Selma there is no slaveowner listed
daviss: The only non blacks are basically the one or two that are doing the registering
Khathu: The index gives the location on where the individuals are residing For Matagorda it gives a plantation
daviss: ok so Matagorda is different than all the others huh Do you have that one Khathu?
Khathu: However without further research one does not know if an ancestor was actually enslaved on that particular plantation or if the plantation was owned by the same individual during and after slavery This case is unique just like the Bowie County Slave Schedule
daviss: right like the Allen plantation, some of my family worked there in Brazos but were enslaved in Grimes and Allen had many slaves
karoshi: Good afternoon everyone!
daviss: I guess I can believe all the differences because Harrison County is different and screwed up in everything they did
Khathu: That is a great example daviss
daviss: hi karoshi How's it been with you karoshi?
karoshi: Can't complain daviss. Been running between Atlanta and Orlando, so not much time for researching. I hope everything is good on your end.
daviss: it is good, thanks
karoshi: Khathu, what info can you get from slave schedules? Besides name of owner?
daviss: khathu where on fb is that statement
Khathu: slave schedule must be used in conjunction with other records. by themselves they are pretty much useless for researching enslaved ancestors daviss are you a part of Luckie Daniels' group?
karoshi: Ok. Thank you.
daviss: ok so its on there I will go and look
Khathu: Slave schedules can help narrow one's research and pool of potential slave owners by confirming whether or not an individual actually owned enslaved individuals
karoshi: I wish I had more use for them.
Selma: Good afternoon karoshi
Khathu: and by determining the ages, gender and color of the enslaved
karoshi: Hello Selma! How have you been?
daviss: I have not seen a slave schedule yet that gives the color but then again mabe Matagorda lol
karoshi: I've seen ones that mark either mulatto or sambo. But I think those were from Barbados.
daviss: oh ok
Khathu: b = black m = mulatto you haven't seen that description daviss that is what i meant by color
daviss: not on the slave schedules i have looked at Oh I know what that means lol
daviss: its just I have not seen it on the ones I looked at.. only on the inventories but then again I have not really gone back that far in my research
Selma: The Texas slave schedules don't have "b" or "m"
daviss: thats what I am saying Selma, so it must be other states
Khathu: Daviss this is what the guy wrote "I found my 2x Great-Grandfather and his slave owner on the 1870 Census in Matagorda Co. Texas, they lived in close proximity. But I confirmed this from the 1867 Voter's Registration List and it shows who the former slave owner was. I was only able to find that information for him and not other ancestors." These two documents by themselves are not enough to state one has identified the slave owners He has identified a potential slave owner
karoshi: Have a good afternoon everyone. I'm off to do some chores. Yuck!
Khathu: Now he must research the potential slave owner by examining his documented county activities
daviss: Unless he may have a weird same name going on but then again that still does not mean anything if everyone on the plantation kept the same name and are only plantation kin
Khathu: All he has is proximity and that his ancestor lived on the plantation neither proves ownership
daviss: true prec and how long lived in the county and in most cases they are the same amt of years
Selma: Khathu are you part of Luckie's group
daviss: I think in Harrison County they used 8 or 12 all the time lol
Khathu: Yes, I am. Seventies recommended me
Selma: daviss, I haven't seen those other descriptions "grif", "sambo" etc..on VA Slave schedules..only B or M
daviss: I have only se'sambo' in the newspaper ads for runaways
Selma: Afternoon vkn
daviss: karoshi said Barbados I think hello vkn!
vkn: Y'all be looking good
daviss: Selma I wonder if the slaves for Edwin Nelms are listed in that book of births
Selma: Hold on I will check..remember it starts in 1853
daviss: Oh he may have been in TX by then vkn thanks for the email this morn
Selma: The NELMS surname appears in Bedford, Nansemond, Isle of Wight, Bedford, one in Sussex County First names..Archibald, Charles D., Ebben, Geo T. James, Northumberland
daviss: I need to find that info but Bedford sounds familiar
Selma: Just email me later
daviss: Ebben may be the father of Edwin Col Edwin Nelms
Khathu: Hello vkn
vkn: howdy khathu
daviss: ok selma
Selma: Eben/Ebon reported from Bedford County
daviss: I think I have seen that name
Selma: 8 births from 1853 to Dec 1860
daviss: oh really Selma thanks Selma
Khathu: daviss is this your people
daviss: The Nelms married into my Cooper line
Selma: Don't think the man was from Bedford daviss..if I remember it was Northumberland.
Khathu: Daviss - he acknowledged that he needed to do more research to substantiate his claim but he probably won't
daviss: oh ok Selma I will see if I can find all the info you sent me. I am really thinking he was in TX by 53 though ok Khathu
Khathu: it was only after posting my comments
Selma: LOl.. Well folks gotta run...
Khathu: I hate when people put out false (incorrect ) information
daviss: ok Selma have a good day
Khathu: have a good
Khathu: i have to run off to a meeting.
daviss: ok take care