2013-10-02 • VA Slave Birth Index
daviss: Hi there vkn!
vkn: hey hey hey Daviss how you be this day young lady
daviss: fair de middlin and you? :?
vkn: bout da same lol
daviss: I hear ya vkn, slow but somewhat sure
vkn: mildewing ta keep from molding lol lol
daviss: hahahahaha no comments yet on the genealogy roadshow? I did not get to see it
vkn: none at all but I thought the Eastman review was good though non committal
daviss: yeah, thats true but most were negative under comments
vkn: Did you see that 2 SS Daviss post?
daviss: yeah vkn I saw the link to my tribal page lol
vkn: oh hmmm not understanding I thought that was to the posters page hmmmm do we need to delete???
daviss: I believe it is a one s daviss that posted the link.. not sure which one.. I believe that because of the Madagascar New Guinea question
vkn: My goodness I thought it was a connect for you have you heard directly from the person?
Khathu: Hello daviss and vkn
daviss: no I just went in to see what addy they used
vkn: Howdy Khathu. How you be?
Khathu: I'se be well and you
daviss: I did not recognize but it may be a legit poster hello khathu
daviss: I am just not sure where the Madagascar New Guinea came from
vkn: ok I will double check
Khathu: There was a discussion regarding DNA and Madagascar on FB a few weeks ago so maybe that is some carry over maybe?
vkn: could be
daviss: no idea
vkn: BTW khathu we sent you a DORSEY file from The History vault
daviss: hello Selma
vkn: Howdy doody Ms Selma
Khathu: vkn I saw it
daviss: gonna grab a cup of coffee, brb
Selma: Howdy everyone...(jeez I am sounding like Mizz Vee
vkn: lol lol lol
Khathu: Hello Selma
Selma: I have been out all morning..do we still have a Government
Khathu: It is still shut down
vkn: not really a govt. We need to fire the whole bunch
Khathu: but yes we still have a government I agree vkn
daviss: I don't
Selma: Number of folks are jumping on Josh (is that his name) from Roadshow saying folks who came into Ellis Island..changed their names cause officials there didn't understand them
vkn: and we are called world leaders hah
daviss: I saw that Selma
vkn: oh dear and what are the rebuttals to that Selma
Selma: Reading scroll on TV..air traffic controller considered "essential"..thank goodness That there were folks at the port who spoke different languages and could understand what they were saying..
daviss: yes but the air traffic controller need help too so it all trickles down
vkn: trickle down nickels and maybe some dimes daviss
daviss: when those planes land they need someone to ok the next flight out
daviss: hopefully it wont last that long
vkn: Selma did you see the last roadshow. I missed it but thought the prior one was "choppy", Have you seen roadshow Khathu
Khathu: No I haven't
Selma: It was choppy this week too.. But I think we are looking at it with different eyes then the general population..who like the quickness of it
daviss: thats what I feel also Selma In fact look at the reviews negative from those who are in to genealogy
Selma: You know me I like "context"..and for some they give more context or history than others..some are just you are in the middle
daviss: excellent from the general
vkn: It is sorta nice to have the audience ( Deers caught in headlights) but maybe it will work overtime
Selma: I tell you genealogist are Obsessive-compulsive..you have no choice in my opinion.. LOL
vkn: lol lol lol
Selma: I mean for heavens sakes I am about the buy a book about the War of 1812..LOL
Selma: Have you all seen Dru's birthday pictures? She is still celebrating.. good for her.. LOL
vkn: yes with selma. very nice
Selma: I gave her a heat compress you put in the microwave..she loved it..her knees had been giving her a fit
daviss: lol lol lo
Selma: You know the news on CNN is much better when you have the sound cut off... you know it is bad..but you don't have to hear how BAD
vkn: true dat and it is worse to me on MSNBC
Selma: Have you been following the thread on OBA..on VA Slave Birth Index daviss?
daviss: no Selma I have not
daviss: no reason for me yet
Selma: I have been posting on the thread, but I find it difficult to keep track on Facebook
vkn: How goes the research Khathu
Khathu: What is the thread referring to Selma?
Selma: Someone was asking about the 5 volume book set
Khathu: I know I commented on an article that Natonne wrote that turned into a heated discussion I see
Selma: I have the books so I have been replying to some of the folks who asked for look-ups
Khathu: I wonder if they know that the index is online at familysearch.org
Selma: Heck I didn't know it was at familysearch..is this the one done by the WPA Where is it?
Khathu: I am not aware of the source https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1708660
daviss: Selma I need to get out of Texas first lol
Selma: I just put in a name from the book...nothing with that name comes up Let me try again OK I did again...I put in Matilda..who was the slave of James Hendricks in Russell county It came up as Matilda Hendricks..which implies she was HIS child not his slave.
Khathu: It does not list all of the information
Selma: Meaning you have to know she was "owned" by a Hendricks during that time frame
vkn: My thesis exactly since Hendricks "owned" the property
Selma: So not really an effective source if you don't understand...that most basic fact
Khathu: I think that is with most resources
Selma: Since I figure at least 70% of black folks in VA did NOT take name of last slave owner you would be all over the place
vkn: "property of ..." 1830
Khathu: Well hopefully individuals would have done their due diligence in researching and documenting their family from the present back to 1870 before utilizing this resource However, one strategy for using this resource is to try and reconstruct the family unit prior to 1865 (i.e. a mother and her children born between 1855-1865 Using the search engine one can input the mother's first name and the first name of the child assuming that the family remained in the same county after slavery
Selma: Ok that is a reasonable strategy..
Khathu: However, individuals would still need to obtain copies of the actual document because sometimes the informant is the overseers and not necessarily the owners
Selma: Right..I tried to let them know that Khathu. They need to try to get the Birth Register...
Khathu: Also in using this data base if the mother is listed without a surname that means she was enslaved.
Selma: In that 1853 time frame there are not separate certificates When I look at the Melinda person..her mother was also listed with the same surname
Khathu: Also if the child's surname is different from the father (informant) that mean that the paternity of the child was known and/or the mother was married and the marriage was recognized by the informant (slaveowner or overseer)
Selma: Let me try another one I am going to try one where the child's name is not given
Khathu: Keep in mind it is just an index, so individuals should be strongly encouraged to obtain copies of the original document
vkn: key word 'original'
Selma: Ok I will have to play around with this..just put in one with child's name..no mother's name given...slave owners name put in ...no infor
Khathu: This resource can provide clues to last slave owner
Selma: I agree but you have to come to this knowing somethngs..and have patience...
daviss: so the index is not complete Selma?
Khathu: Well I discovered this index after traveling to LVA several times. It is complete. It is set up for father, mother and child.
Selma: I used it but wasn't looking for someone who was enslaved
daviss: so Matilda was not enslaved but recognized as their own
Khathu: If one is not familiar with it will assume that the individual listed in the father's field is the actual father and not the informant. The actual document lists the relationship of the informant to the child but the index does not
Selma: No she was enslaved..but they indexed her with the surname of the either slave owner/or the informant
Khathu: The five volume book also list relationship
daviss: I see
Selma: The book lists informants..not relationships
Khathu: Well I stand corrected
Selma: It does give mother's name if given and child
daviss: ahhhhhh ok
Selma: There are many where neither child or mother is named..only informant..and county in which the birth took place
vkn: We need a periodic enslaved research round table
Khathu: This is a record set like any other that must be included in corroboration with other documents used instead of included ttyl
daviss: again I am at a loss for counties
Selma: I will post this in the thread though Khathu...somehow I have to explain its possibilities and Limitations..gonna play with it before I do
daviss: nothing I have or see that is giving me a county that these folks are from
Selma: It will come to you daviss..
daviss: I have a will that just lists the sate how though
Selma: When was the will written?
daviss: 1853 I have turnips but no blood
Selma: It says Virginia?
daviss: actually Selma that is happening with all the wills I have rec'd regardless of the state
vkn: dig the sword in deeper daviss to draw blood
daviss: thats what I am trying to figure out....how? nothing on the DC just a state nothing in the will no family stories so whats next
Selma: Whose will is it?
daviss: This one that I am speaking of Selma is not a VA will The one Nelms I have is one you helped me with
Selma: oh.. I thought we found out what VA county he came out of
vkn: Y'all be good!!!
daviss: I have Williams from VA just cant figure out where in VA they come from actually two VA Williams
Selma: Well daviss...this can be our Winter Project..I am trying to get thru the Fall all in one piece
daviss: no problem just being a grump
Selma: Well alt is not here..so somebody has to be a grump LOL
daviss: true lol
Selma: I gotta run..need nap