2013-08-16 • "Good Black Folks"
vkn: Howdy Mr alt
alt: Hi Ms VKN, how you doing today?
vkn: purty good and thee? Getting the Dragon Dictate app so i can talk rather than use fingers except to make corrections
alt: I'm doing well,,,, looking at posting by some of the 'younger' generation of genealogists & family historians .... why do they think some of their situations are so unique & rare? we've bee seeing what they are talking about for 20+ years, at least.
vkn: I guess it is just the generation gap
alt: You're too 'techie' for me LOL scared of you!!!! LOL
vkn: lol oops smiley seems to be broken As you know you can tell a youngster BUT not much
alt: I just read a DNA story by Roberta Estes published this year on the LaForce family that we wrote about on AfriGeneas in 1999... "Grandma Reno's Story".... she was "proving" the N/A ancestry of Grandma Reno's "grandmother" thru DNA testing that has been done. Hello Selma & AYWalton
AYWalton: Good afternoon, all. Howdy alt, Mizz Selma. Greetings, vkn!!!!!!!!!!!
vkn: and I find posing a question as the best way to teach in a manner that everybody wins
Selma: Good friday afternoon alt, AY, and vkn
vkn: Selma and AYW!!!!!!!!! howdy y'all
AYWalton: fine, (except for allergies--and sinus) and you?
alt: And vkn, Roberta Estes "pooh-pooh" ed my story about Grandma Reno when I related it to her at an OGS Conference almost 10 years ago.
Selma: We have "cooler weather" here AY..helping with the allergies and sinus..thank goodness
AYWalton: It is cooler here as well. But it's not the heat, it's humidity and ragweek.
alt: football weather, fall is in the air here in Ohio
Selma: All this greenery is pretty to look at..but it does cause issues..
vkn: Alt it just goes to know ya that right always comes out on top even ten years later
Selma: What part was she pooh pooing alt?
vkn: Alt you be standing and researching from terra ferma
alt: I guess vkn.. I know it sure makes me feel better to know my 'genealogy & research' are solid and are now being proved thru DNA test results
AYWalton: vkn, can you repost the link from yesterday? I was not able to copy it, and could not re-enter the page.
vkn: AMEN to that alt I will send in an e mail AYW
alt: the whole story Selma of the British Raid, capture of slaves and the connection with N/A in my family.
Selma: Well make sure you remind her..did she give you credit in the article?
AYWalton: Thanks so much, vkn.
alt: not a word Selma, but it was on "why" N/A DNA may not show in your test results
AYWalton: alt you should touch base with Estes again. I'm just sayin'....
AYWalton: You now, "I told ya so."
alt: I have AYWalton and now we're "cousins" lol
AYWalton: now that's too funny!!
vkn: Angela AYW you have mail
alt: yep lol lol
vkn: Let me know if that works AY
AYWalton: I shall let you know. Thanks.
alt: I responded to that posting in the comments section with my genealogy showing the connection to Hannah, her mother Betty & and her sister Candis, Hannah's sister & Grandma Reno's mother.
vkn: Did y'all see the link from David
Selma: No what link
alt: oh, okay Selma.
AYWalton: exactly that is what I mean, too alt, take her back.
vkn: I found a related collection, the papers of ASWPL founder Jessie Daniel Ames, at UNC. The cool thing about this collection is that UNC has digitized the documents in the collection and you can access at this site http://www2.lib.unc.edu/mss/inv/a/Ames,Jessie_Daniel.html
AYWalton: UNC has a great online collection.
alt: that's a great site vkn... UNC Library... a favorite of mine on the site is "Sons of Allen" about the AME church by Horace Talbert.... all 700+ pages with photos of early AME ministers.
AYWalton: So does the Georgia Virtual Vault oh wow-----I need to see that of the AME ministers. I am looking for a photo of Spottswood Rice.
vkn: I will be checkin out the sons of Allen. Thanx alt
daviss: hello all!
AYWalton: Howdy daviss!1
alt: Hello daviss
vkn: heyyyyyyy daviss
daviss: sorry I am late, lost track of time
vkn: Get a switch daviss lol lol
Selma: Ok daviss..you are excused.. LOL
AYWalton: Did AfriGeneas miss the FT Magazine Top 101 List again? wassup Mizz daviss?
alt: Sons of Allen link http://docsouth.unc.edu/church/talbert/talbert.html
AYWalton: thanks alt!!!
alt: yw y'all LOL
daviss: too much to mention AYWalton and it ain't very pretty
AYWalton: oh Lawd hab mercy!!!
Selma: I would tell you to have a drink daviss..but it is too early in the morning where you are
AYWalton: oh go ahead and mix some orange juice with it and have a sip.
daviss: thanks for putting it on my mind lol b rb
AYWalton: (as we are all contributing to the delinquency of daviss.) lol
alt: been reading about this last WDYTYA show and the Quaker invovlment with slavery..... I think it isn't too well understood that while the Quaker's may have eventually become anti-slavery that didn't mean that they were pro-Black.
AYWalton: alt, I think that the point was mentioned only slightly, but I was glad that it was said. Folks may not have liked slavery, but they didn't necessarily like black folks. And we have to learn that and understand that. Alt that is why folks are so devastated when they hear of Indians owning slaves, too---we want somebody to like us. And we have to learn that we have to like ourselves first.
alt: yep AYWalton , I like the definition you & Terry now use "5 slave-holding tribes" in lieu of "5 civilized tribes"
Selma: AY..I will never forget when you gave your talk for our group back in the 1990's..folks were in shock Most thought they were coming to the Pow Wow...
AYWalton: oh yes, we say that all the time.
vkn: Nice phrase
AYWalton: I know. I have had folks so distraught. Especially when they are sitting there wearing all that turquoise. then they don't know what to do next.
vkn: lol lol lol
alt: and for me the clincher with this DNA stuff and back to Africa... what do you do when you discover your "folks" were among the chief traders with the colonial powers in supplying folks as 'slaves'.
AYWalton: I have sometimes also had to finish a sentence for them, that they never have uttered. For example---they find out that they are not Indian and they start out ---so they were just...... and I finish it for them----they were just good black folks.
AYWalton: Just good black folks----they have never used that term. Just colored, or just black, and work GOOD is never used.
alt: not Indian, but Portuguese, Turkish, Moor ... anything but Black LOL LOL
AYWalton: Just good black folks---it is kind of like a new concept. we don't even call ourselves that.
vkn: as dee woodtor says ABB
AYWalton: and for many is it just "(n-word)".
vkn: so sad
AYWalton: How many of us are walking around carrying identity baggage.
Selma: I don't understand the Portuguese fascination are we talking about "white Europeans" from Portugal..who were major slave traders aren't
AYWalton: we have Indian blankets wrapped around that image as well.
alt: exactly Selma
AYWalton: and being "just good black folks" is a new concept. Oh-----did any of you catch yesterday's outrageous attack on Harriet Tubman, by that Russell Simmons guy.
alt: and there were many. many , many GOOD Black folks!!!!!
Selma: I saw the thread...he took it down..
AYWalton: He has since apologized and removed it.
vkn: Haven't we always said "good white folk"
AYWalton: Insane yes we have---but even we have never said, good black folks!!
alt: he was a 'good' slave master.... always sounded screwy to me
AYWalton: nothing wrong with being poor, country, simple, and good black folks.
daviss: I saw the thread also. Do you think he had anything to do with that
Selma: Yes he did daviss..
vkn: and that is good AYW glad to see the usage. Language is sooooo powerful
AYWalton: seriously. good country folk---but the image is white folks. but do we ever refer to ourselves as good folks?
alt: it came down from YouTube, but it is still floating around on the 'Net.
AYWalton: even among ourselves?
Selma: I do AY
AYWalton: so often I finish the sentence......so they were just------and I interject---not with just Black, I always say, "just good black folks". And I say it slowly. They have never heard the term.
Selma: Folks..have to run ... friend is moving out of state going to lunch
AYWalton: ok Selma.
AYWalton: Have a good one.
alt: I think sometime we (Black folk) get hung up on the the "Giants" like Douglass, King, Tubman and also being the "first" like Robinson, and others ... we do forget about the "common folk" that made major contributions
AYWalton: precisely my point.
daviss: so true alt
AYWalton: some of our folks were simple God fearing county, good folks. and we have to say that. and then being Indian is not quite so important. well I am going to read the rest of the genea-drama online. Lots of stuff going on.
vkn: so we do not need to be lowly
AYWalton: or feel lowly.
vkn: as Beecher-Stowe says
AYWalton: and Paul Laurence Dunbar with Lyrics of Lowly Life. well I had better run folks. Have good afternoon.
AYWalton: sorry I won't see you in Ft. Wayne next week, alt.
daviss: ok bye AYWalton
AYWalton: take care.
alt: for sure.. the share-cropper who put his kids thru HS & College is just as important to our story as the "Giants" IMHO
daviss: mine too alt!
alt: yep daviss
daviss: I would love to go see The Butler today
vkn: also known as salt of the earth
daviss: it comes out today
alt: Anita has said I'm taking her to see it Sunday... no if's, and's or but's about it LOL LOL
daviss: good for Anita lol and take a hanky
vkn: It sounds powerful
alt: we were going tomorrow, but I'm going back to the "old" country for a birthday party for a couisn,,, her 70th
daviss: ahhhh ok 70 is a good milestone these days too
alt: gonna do some genealogy stuff and have a mini-reunion getting caught up with the kids of the younger generations of this family line
vkn: Not to worry bout the youngsters alt I mean those glued at facebook
alt: vkn, I'm hoping to show some of them "who they are" or at least "who their family is" LOL LOL
vkn: they will grow/mature in time lol
daviss: ok alt...I guess i will head out myself and cruise the net...take care alt and vkn
vkn: will call you alt
alt: have a good one daviss.. the sunshine is just behind this latest cloud okay vkn