2013-07-17 • Spotswood & Penman KY
vkn: heyyyy vacation lady heyyyy seventies vacation lady guess daviss is atlanta bound howdy alt
alt: what's going on ladies? howdy vkn & Seventies
vkn: seventies is out good session yesterday alt
alt: out to lunch? I''ll have to pose that question to her when she returns LOL
alt: Yes it was vkn... Khathu's "book'" generated a lot of dialogue, good dialogue.
vkn: excellent dialogue alt howdy history been missing you
alt: questions I didn''t get to ask... does he speak to slave skills, family life, religion, etc. or is he just doing lineage connections thru various record sets?
Seventies: Hey all!
HistoryBuff: Hey Vkn Alt
alt: Hello HistoryBuff, how goes it?
vkn: i have no idea
Seventies: I was just opening the door for you.
vkn: lol lol lol
HistoryBuff: Hey Seventies. Getting deep in reunion plng
alt: hey Seventies ... I heard you were "out to lucnch" LOL LOL
HistoryBuff: How's everyone?
alt: oh, oh
vkn: seventies is prolly multi t
alt: as ususal LOL
vkn: I be good history
alt: when is the big reunion day HistoryBuff?
Seventies: LOL ha ha ha alt Yes I'm just trying to relax a little before the trip. *sigh*
HistoryBuff: August 9-11th
alt: when is the trip and for how long Seventies? right on ya, huh HistoryBuff?
Seventies: Leaving tomorrow afternoon and will be gone until 26 August... :}:}:}
vkn: History I did not try the calendar thingy cause I am calendar rich
Seventies: :} :} :} :}
vkn: Are you driving seventies
alt: wow!!!!! you'll have to be re-trained when you return Seventies ... that's a long time 6 weeks (???)
HistoryBuff: Good 4 you 70s.
alt: yes, that is a 'goodie' Seventies
Seventies: Yep I will have a ton of work to do when I get back.
vkn: Daviss is due Atlanta this afternoon
alt: no doubt!!!!!!
Seventies: Who cares, they furloughed us anyway. Hi Selma
alt: Hello Selma.. beating the heat??? LOL
Selma: Afternoon alt, historybuff, seventies and vkn It is oppressive here alt.
Seventies: Ok so my African-American Highland Falls facebook page is doing well.
vkn: Heyyy Selma
Selma: Bought myself a Cheese Danish just to make myself feel better
alt: wonderful Seventies
vkn: Good for Highland Falls
Selma: I didn't know you had one seventies
Seventies: lol I have to laugh because the administrators of the other Highland Falls pages have been checking us out. https://www.facebook.com/AfricanAmericanHighlandFalls
alt: of course Seventies "they" always want to know what "we" are doing LOL
Seventies: LOL you read my mind alt! Was just going to type that! Oops...
vkn: Nothing like competition and I ditto what Selma is saying and will delete
Selma: My level of paranoia is high and where is Mizz Daviss today?
alt: I have a good one for you .. one of Anita's tennis partners, of the "other persuasion" (sp) says she is an AfriGeneas follower ... LOL LOL
Selma: She should be it is a great site.. LOL
alt: we know it Selma
Seventies: well, they didn't care about what we were doing anyway, so they shouldn't care now. daviss is on a plane to ATL
alt: her tennis partner had not connected alt to the guy who posts on AfriGeneas frequently LOL LOL
Selma: Oh right the Reunion..wonderful
Seventies: I'm hoping that she shares some pics with us.
alt: I'm sure she will Seventies, at least on Facebook
Selma: VKN did you get my message re: the Choctow Freeman (sic) posting?
Seventies: I don't know if y'all were aware, speaking of freedmen, but Angela's page was featured on a site called Shadow and Act.
Selma: No not aware..what is Shadow and Act..how do you all keep up with all this stuff
vkn: yes selma
Seventies: Shadow and Act is a page that deals with African-American films and Black Hollywood. Not a gossip site, but very insightful.
Selma: Ok..will take a look
vkn: okies to look later did history get kicked
alt: Selma, as you say .. this social media stuff is just too much LOL
Seventies: Here is the article. http://tinyurl.com/msozsj5 She covers the story of Sarah Rector.
vkn: I hear that fokes be already signing up for next year MAACI
Seventies: That's good.
alt: isn't that wonderful vkn !!!
Seventies: that's all I have today folks.
vkn: super great peeps like the focused and intense
Selma: Alt..you have your tea and crumpets ready for the British Open tomorrow
alt: that's gonna be a big job for the faculty.. to come up with "new" presentations each year... or do they do the same thing every year, or session? what does IGHR do Selma? sure do Selma, GO TIGER!!!!!
vkn: ouchies historybuff
HistoryBuff: Sorry about my abrupt departure.
Selma: There are new topics alt..or variations and expansions of topics..
alt: wb HistoryBuff
Selma: they have 5 or 6 tracks
vkn: HistoryBuff i thought you were kicked
HistoryBuff: Hey Selma
Selma: Afternoon historybuff
alt: okay Selma, I guess you could go to a differnt track each year... the track would not have to change much from year to year.
HistoryBuff: Thnx Alt. I was Vkn
Selma: It is very intense...
vkn: what device are you using HistoryBuff
alt: not good for me .. old dogs & new tricks... rough combination LOL LOL
HistoryBuff: Sanyo smart phone
vkn: okies history
Selma: Phone call folks gotta run
HistoryBuff: I stood up from the table and got logged out.
Selma: Have a great day
vkn: same for old tricks alt
HistoryBuff: U too.
alt: old tricks & new dogs, huh vkn LOL
karoshi: Hello everyone!
vkn: and the old tricks seem new with these smart devices
HistoryBuff: Indeed. Hey karoshi
alt: oh yeah, I sure can't handle the devices vkn
vkn: howdy karoshi how goes it
alt: Hello karoshi, sorry we couldn't connect .. how was your trip to Xenia?
karoshi: It goods vkn!
karoshi: I spent a little time at the library. But didn't really find anything new. Didn't really find anything new the whole trip. Though I did find Spotswood Penman's will from 1895.
alt: vkn, my dau-in-law was here the other day and we updated her family tree for her family reunion this weekend.... sent her the updated PDF file to her email and she showed it tom me right away.. she got it it here in the house on her cell phone. 59 pages
vkn: alt wow 59 pages swinging door historybuff
HistoryBuff: My apologizes. Keep hitting the wrong button. Fingertips are stubby.
Seventies: Y'all I gotta go... see you soon!
alt: yeah, the phone thing surprised me vkn.. there it was, the email on her phone.. like right now!!!!
vkn: wonderful and scary at the same time alt
alt: sorry to hear your trip to the library in Xenia wasn't more successful karoshi
HistoryBuff: I was trying to say, nice fiblnd karoshi.
alt: for sure vkn
karoshi: Thanks HistoryBuff. It was interesting for sure.
vkn: and able to print also i reckon
karoshi: He leaves 2 acres of land to his sons but only if they build a mill on it and fix the dam.
alt: karoshi, did you go across the street to the courthouse while in Xenia karoshi ... Oops forget that last comment, it was Saturday
karoshi: He leaves my 2great grandmother a horse. But if there isn't a horse to be had she gets money to buy one.
vkn: lol will her a horse
karoshi: No alt I didn't. I didn't have much time because our family reunion was at 1 in Columbus.
alt: interesting "bequeaths" karoshi
karoshi: Lol! I know vkn. He leaves most of his daughters horses.
alt: okay, your time was very limited
karoshi: I did find something that I had a question about. What exactly are guardianship papers?
alt: quick answer ... papers giving responsibility to some adult for underage surviving children
karoshi: Ok, that is what I though, but would they be given just because the death of a parent or were there other reasons?
alt: death, separation, divorce
alt: parents deemed unfit .. several reasons possible
alt: another quickie ... responsibility to teach, train someone in an occupation within a given period of time occupation, trade, or skill
karoshi: But would guardianship papers cover apprenticeships?
alt: they could... the guardian could be given the "job" of assuring the training of the children for whom they have benn given guardianship rights
vkn: could be conflicting interests
karoshi: Due to lack of documents it is making things quite hard with my KY families. Also found out that most families, even close to town didn't have electricity and running water until the 1960's.
alt: was this ancestor from KY in the "horse" business?,, that's BIG in KY
karoshi: Not directly but they married into it. I have one Shelby Barnes that is in the horse racing hall of fame.
alt: ah so, okay electricity & running water.. that was the case for a section in west Zanesville, OH just 2-3 years ago.
karoshi: WHAT??? That is crazy!!!
alt: you would think so !!! but I'm also sure it is not so unusual in some parts of Appalachia
karoshi: So basically I have a large group of people all free before the Civil War. Who own property and are buying and selling property from at least 1859. But where they come from I don't know. Which is maddening!!
alt: how bout their birth locations on the 1860 & later census records
karoshi: Kentucky. Everyone says Kentucky. But there are no traces passed 1800-10. Also, no land deeds.
alt: If you know the counties in KY you might look for manumission papers for those freed before 1860
karoshi: Not even for Spotswood Penman who obviously had land from 1830 on.
alt: might be found in book of KY & VA Land Grants
karoshi: I looked. No dice.
karoshi: It's like they just appear.
alt: from where ??? Virginia/Maryland?NC ???
alt: in KY
karoshi: They all say KY. My Ohio families come from Virginia, Marland, and NC. But these KY people always say KY.
alt: I would look for both Spotswood & Penman as surnames in the census and follow the State by State
karoshi: There are no Penman's in the area before them. But there are some further up in KY. Maybe from Virginia.
alt: remember KY was a part of VA until 1792
karoshi: And with the Virginia and KY split. It makes it crazier. I will keep at it though.
alt: and then the county boundry line & name changes in KY
HistoryBuff: That's the spirit!
alt: olks named in Kentucky Co, VA ... Jefferson Co., KY, Shelby Co., KY & Oldham Co., KY and it is all the SAME place. I have folks named ......
karoshi: Did they come to Ohio?
alt: yes, in 1813
karoshi: Ok. I have a feeling that my Stewart's are connected to the Gallia Co. Stewart's from VA.
alt: could well be karoshi .... most Stewart's I know came from either VA and/or NC .... from nearby bordering counties counties on or near the VA/NC lines
karoshi: There are 5 branches of Stewarts in this little area of KY to are all free before the civil war. Yet, I can find no connections. There are only two slave owning Stewart's in the same area and they never freed any slaves.
alt: you've got yoru work cut out for ya LOL LOL
HistoryBuff: Sounds very interesting
karoshi: It is quite the puzzle HistoryBuff
alt: so karoshi, you're back in FL?
karoshi: Yes sir.
alt: okay. glad you had a safe & wonderful trip.
karoshi: Thank you! Alright I'm off to a doc appointment.
Khathu: hello everyone
alt: did you get to see the Winburn/Webb family in Xenia?
karoshi: Thanks for all your help!
alt: yw karoshi
karoshi: No alt I didn't! I will go next trip. I was kicking myself that I didn't remember to go see them!
alt: Hello Khathu, just about to "duck out" what's up Khathu?
Khathu: Nothing much.
alt: hump day, huh?
Khathu: I was just popping in have a great day everyone
alt: I'm gone too HistoryBuff
HistoryBuff: Okay take care all.