2013-06-12 • "Forced Breeding"
Seventies: I'm on time today.. even early! http://www.folkstreams.net/film,82 hello alt
alt: hi early bird LOL
Seventies: Yeah, I didn't want to be teased today! lol
alt: I wouldn't dare tease you.
Seventies: lol thanks Things are going well on the Forks of the Road group. Finally! Someone who knows that there were black people in Adams County!
daviss: hi alt and seventies
Seventies: hi daviss
alt: Hi daviss, what's up on "Zona?
daviss: nothing but the heat alt
Seventies: the temp
alt: yeah Seventies, I see you're helping Boxley get the site off to a good start.
daviss: heat alert all day today
alt: stay inside and be safe daviss
daviss: no worries alt...
Seventies: Ok while you're sitting inside in the cool AC, you should check out http://folkstreams.net Lots of good folk type mini docs from all cultures in the U.S.
daviss: I will stay in for sure
Seventies: So has anyone read my short blog entry "Uncle Thurman was a Gandy Dancer" ??
alt: not yet Seventies
daviss: Whats a Gandy Dancer?
Seventies: A Gandy Dancer was a man who worked on repairing the RR tracks during the 20th century. http://thefamilygriot.blogspot.com/2013/06/uncle-thurman-was-gandy-dancer.html hello vkn
vkn: Good afternoon to all good people!!!!!
daviss: hi vkn!
Seventies: daviss, they specifically speak to the African-American men who were fortunate enough to get a job with the RR...
alt: Hello vkn, how ya doing today?
Seventies: vkn, did you have any family members who were Gandy Dancers for the railroad in GA or AL?
daviss: oh really seventies, so they were only AA specific? What were the Chinese workers called/
vkn: doing good alt No Seventies at least not to my knowledge
Seventies: I don't know... lol
daviss: ah ha!
Seventies: But those railroad chants sounded just like the church songs..at least in the Baptist/holiness tradition.
daviss: wonder why the term Gandy? I guess its like calling PP George huh
Seventies: Gandy was a company that made railroad tools
daviss: Oh ok thanks
Seventies: Hi Selma
Selma: Good Wednesday afternoon alt, daviss, seventies and vkn
daviss: Hello there Selma!
alt: I would imagine AA "work songs" all had a gospel 'tinge' to them Seventies railroad, cotton fields, coal mining, etc.
daviss: oh yeah alt
alt: Hello Ms Selma... nice direction you've pointed "Cherokee" with you wealth of resources .. Good Job!!!!
vkn: The compositions/arrangements by R. Nathaniel Dett reflect & display what you say of the "worksongs" alt
Selma: Actually..I believe she might have the book..
alt: not familiar with Mr. Dett vkn
Seventies: gospel tinge... lol they are all soul
vkn: We will have to get you familiar alt, lol
alt: okay Seventies .... okay vkn, gonna check him out after chat.
Seventies: I remember hearing the same type of singing in church songs when I was growing up. The call and response etc. And I'm just 21... lol
Selma: Yeah right..we know better.. LOL
alt: 21 ... dividing by what Seventies?
Seventies: lol lol you all are so funny!
daviss: In some small baptist churches here they still do that type of singing led by the deacons
vkn: to the ???? power lol
alt: there you go vkn.... sitting here watching some guys across the street doing some roofing work... man, I know it's "hot" up there on that roof.
Seventies: Yep its called long verses or something like that daviss... I posted a link on the Family Griot FB...
Selma: Its gonna be 90 something here today...for daviss..that is probably balmy
vkn: Humid in Hotlanta this day
Seventies: We're in the upper 60's today.. Maybe 70
daviss: 112 or higher
alt: oh my daviss !!!!!
Selma: Like I said..90 is balmy for daviss
vkn: Been Slater surfing for a good portion of the 3AM
daviss: heat alert
Seventies: lol yeah she laughed at me when it was 77 low last week
Selma: Anymore luck vkn on the Slater search?
Seventies: Here is another one from FolkStreams. "I Ain't Lying: Folktales from Mississippi"
vkn: Fun to manipulate results via HeritageQuest
Selma: Comment..there is a person posting on a number of the forums about finding "death notices"..does anyone know what she means?
Seventies: I don't know what in the world they post about sometimes.. lol
Selma: I guess not a Comment but question
vkn: No real luck at search selma but broadened views of what is out there as friend Joseph would say lol
Selma: Hey where is Joseph?
Seventies: Maybe they are talking about newspaper death notices or legal death notices
vkn: Send me a link Selma I am not familiar with the posts
Selma: For the time frame she seems to be talking about..don't think they were putting death notices in newspaper for black folks..unless they killed a bunch of folks
vkn: did send Daviss one about 'incest" etc Selma lets post the Q to Tim Pinnick about when notices were initiated in papers
Selma: The poster is obviously finding something..
daviss: Their terminology vkn, mabe they don't realize that there was a profit in that Grrrrrr that was to the incest statement vkn
Selma: Actually Tim..just responded to her post which she originally posted on deaths of 3 children
alt: just had a presentation at our AAGGMV meeting on death notices/obits would y'all like a copy of the handout?
vkn: Gotcha Daviss which raises another question Send handout Alt
daviss: yes alt
Selma: My suggestion that she get hold of the Death Register for that county might yield more results..it would also give her an opportunity to see who else was dying and when
alt: If y'all wnat a copy send me your email addtress to email@example.com
vkn: Q:would we called "forced breeding" incest during the period of enslavement as we do in post civil war
alt: hmmmn , good question vkn
Seventies: Well forced breeding is a very generic term
alt: I would think that the "breeders" would be very careful about who they had "mated with" to ensure a healthy child. ... so no actual incest in the strictest sense of the word
daviss: breeding pens
vkn: Well will report back later in week on what the literature indicates
alt: okay vkn
vkn: The research work of Wilma King indicates behaviors
daviss: money was their behavior
vkn: Just thinking how the vocabulary of today did not even exist in my growing up
alt: I've often thought about my enslaved ancestors who had many children if their children were fathered by just one man, or if they had multiple partners "forced" upon them.
daviss: that vkn or the meaning of same alt women were probably "expected" to have at least 5 children
alt: a great-great grandmother in particular who had 8 children, supposedly by the same man, but they were "owned' by different pwners and lived on separate farms/plantations.
Seventies: sad alt.
alt: I think that was a "common" thing Seventies, of course I could be wrong.
Seventies: Well the children could've been leased out.
vkn: Well in the TN/GA mountains there was an institution for lack of an actual term called "constabulary' where breeding was organized and supervised
alt: example.... the first lady's enslaved family ... the great-grandmother had children by the "master" and also with another enslaved person. it would be interesting if DNA could be done and it was determined that 'so called brothers' had different paternal haplogroups.
vkn: I will try and find the reference and post
Seventies: Oh you are referring to how the 'massa' could have sexual relations with any African woman he wanted to, regardless of if she was 'married' or partnered with someone else.
alt: if 25-30% of AA males have Euro haplogoups that would indicate that it is not too far=fetched for there to be multiple fathers among what we believe to be monogamous slave relationships.
Seventies: Here is a story from a women in MS telling the story of her grandmother. http://tinyurl.com/ldn47ws
alt: when we go deep behind the 'scene' there are things we really don't want to know, or even possibly accept as fact.
Seventies: "If the master went in the little shack and decided to meet with their mama, there was nothing that nobody could do. That's why Aunt Sally was bright and she was dark....that's how it was when she was coming up 'cause she was slave" A quote from the interview I just posted.
alt: I can believe/accept her statement Seventies all of mamma's children aren't necessarily daddy's children.
Seventies: So I think considering the conditions, it wasn't so much a lack of monogamy, but the complete control through rape. Demeaning the man and woman who were enslaved.
alt: yes, we know what it was Seventies
vkn: Even to today alt
alt: and sadly today we're doing it to ourselves in too many cases.
Seventies: It certainly affects the way I think of having an interracial relationship. I don't do it.
daviss: that wasn't love Seventies for sure
alt: rape & the breeding process certainly weren't daviss
daviss: it was the love of money
Seventies: Well I've said my piece. And we've been doing that for many generations. So let's not just look at TODAY... some folks in their senior years don't know who their fathers are. I had a close relative who had a daughter whom he completely ignored. Fortunately WE had a good relationship with this persona and their family. We = the rest of our family. I gotta get going.
daviss: exactly seventies and it won't change that fact. Seniors, juniors etc.
alt: true Seventies, I'm not meaning to make it a "cookie cutter" statement, but today is definitely different from even my youth.
daviss: look whats happening now in the military
Seventies: ah huh... remember, alt, I grew up around a lot of black folks from 100 to 1... lol I've seen alot. lol
daviss: and they still dont get it
Seventies: Nothing new under the sun... I've figured that much out.. lol
alt: you're saying I didn't grow up around black folks Seventies ???????
Seventies: No I'm saying that there is nothing new under the sun.
vkn: With that I agree Seventies
Selma: Except for Twitter.. LOL
Seventies: And now I gotta go... Have a good day all!
alt: oh yes there is ... thank you Selma LOL
daviss: run seventies
vkn: With that I agree Seventies they just name it different
Seventies: lol daviss...
daviss: my mom used to say its all a wheel within a wheel. it rolls the same way
alt: that'll work for me daviss
daviss: me too alt lol lol
alt: good luck vkn.. upgrading anyhting has gotten to be a headache for me. oh my vkn... how do you transfer all of your "stuff' to a new 'puter?
vkn: with a special cable happens in minutes alt
daviss: leave that texas stuff on your old puter and I will pick it up next month LOL
Selma: Ummmm Our own techie Fearless Leader
daviss: lol lol notice I said Texas
Selma: Folks..gotta run..need a nap Bye
daviss: ok alt they left us to do the heavy lifting again
alt: lights, I got'em daviss
alt: you can have the chairs LOL LOL
daviss: lol ok I am a strong woman
daviss: have a good day partner
daviss: lol bye