2013-06-07 • NJ Black Birth Records
alt: hey daviss, what's up?
daviss: hello alt!
Seventies: Hello alt and daviss!
daviss: its hot as heck here so far...gonna be around 110 today I need a pool lol
alt: foolin' with gedmatch & I have 2 matches that you share with .. Erma L. & Margaret Berry-McWilliams
daviss: hello Seventies!
alt: Hello seventies
daviss: you match Erma!!
Seventies: It's about half that here daviss and raining due to Tropical storm Andrea
alt: daviss, can you 'splain this to me? LOL LOL yes daviss, I lowered the threshold to 5cM & I see your name on my listing...but we don't match on anything
daviss: I have to look at Margaret B Williams alt but Erma L's dad and mine are brothers
Seventies: I was just reading online about the new AA birth records found in NJ I recall that someone posted a query from a NJ county for help with AA records in the county on Afrigeneas. Someone from the county records dept
alt: WOW Daviss!!!! Erma L & I match at 5.1 cM on Chr 14.
daviss: interesting alt, but no sign of me anywhere?
vkn: Y'all be speaking Greek
Seventies: right vkn... lol
alt: not as a match daviss, but your name is on the listing at the 5cM level
daviss: hmmmm ok alt
alt: Daviss is gonna have to 'splain it to me too LOL
daviss: lol lol lol recombination I suspect alt lol
alt: Lisa L (bearnut) and her folks are matching me at like the 20-30 cM level
daviss: somebody somewhere on a distant shore
alt: yep, my peeps might be involved with your NC connections years ..... (generations ago
alt: so what's up with vkn & Seventies
Seventies: I got nothin' lol
vkn: robert e lee
Seventies: Oh it was my blogiversary a few days ago... lol I am terrible with anniversaries and birthdays... lol
alt: thought that sounded like a song vkn " I got plenty of nothing" LOL
Seventies: Stilll fooling around with this blog entry... ugh.. frustrating. I'm just ready to get myself on the road...
alt: just write it like you feel it Seventies, that's what I'm told bloggers do
Seventies: I haven't felt like it since Sept 2012! I have some blog entries in draft as well...
daviss: and also it will flow just fine
Seventies: Oh also, I have someone who is looking for transcription help
vkn: howdy selma
Seventies: They are doing a film on the Wilmington Race Riots...
alt: Hi Selma
daviss: Hi Selma!
alt: "they" ?????
Selma: Afternoon alt, daviss, seventies and vkn
Seventies: Called Wilimington on Fire. He's going to e-mail me a 2 page doc. I will need a second pair of eyes on that. Any takers? Hi Selma You will be listed in the credits... :}
daviss: thanks but no thanks Seventies
alt: thanks, but no thanks LOL
alt: oh my, great minds LOL
Seventies: Ooh y'all lucky vkn took the rolleyes away.. lol lol lol
alt: we must be cuzzins daviss LOL
vkn: not that i know of
Seventies: Long time ago, vkn you had a smiley that rolled its eyes... lol loved that thing!
alt: Selma ... Jo Willie is in the French Open semis YEAH!!!!!!!!
Selma: I know alt....we (or I should say Mom) just watched 4 hours of Nadal..now Jo
alt: go mom lol lol
daviss: Good luck with that Seventies
Seventies: Okay Happy Birthday to Prince Nelson Rogers, Jr.
Selma: Who is Prince Nelson Rogers?
Seventies: that's what I say when I'm being sarcastic daviss... lol Prince
vkn: Selma my Sclatter died in 1839
alt: and he asked .... who is "Prince"?
Selma: I at least know that alt.. LOL The white slave owner sclatter?
alt: I do too Selma,, but I gotta "jab" at Seventies when I can LOL LOL
vkn: yes Selma
Selma: and he died where vkn? I haven't printed out or re read yet
daviss: vkn where is Hapeville?
vkn: by the Hartsfield Javkson airport daviss
Seventies: I know I've probably said this before, but I am so anxious to have a facebook group for AA's genealogy in SW MS...
vkn: actually the airport is in hapeville
daviss: ok, the reunion committee changed the hotel from Alpharetta to Hapeville
alt: I just read an interesting article on the recording of slave births in the northern states prior to 'gradual emancipation" ... seems they recorded them so the officials would know when a person became eligible to be freed under those emancipation laws.
Seventies: I just mentioned that alt.. lol
alt: is that what you were referring to Seventies
vkn: name of hotel daviss
Seventies: yeah. There was a poster who posted a query from NJ on Afrigeneas as well I believe regarding a similar record set.
daviss: I think it's a Best Western vkn
Seventies: What and where is Hapeveille?
alt: was the article written by an LDS genealogist Seventies?
Seventies: Yes, the LDS is saying that they 'discovered' these records. But I suspect that they were at the local and county court houses the entire time. hold on y'all. I'll brb.
vkn: okies daviss
alt: they were/are, but the local official didn't really seem to know what they had and why the records were kept for black births & not white births during that time period ... early 1700's in northern states
daviss: I imagine in those back basement and boxes there are loads of files and records to be discovered
alt: I thought that was an interesting twist also vkn yep, you bet daviss
daviss: Especially those with a big "C" on them lol
alt: the writer pointed out the 'legal' reasons for recording the births of the enslaved children.
Selma: Which was?
alt: their parents were on the path to gradual emancipation and any children they had would still be 'slaves" until they reached the ages of 25-28 y/o and this was their way of knowing when that age was reached ... 'legally'
daviss: here is the article Selma http://ldsmag.com/article/1/12804
alt: ty daviss
daviss: I think that is the one alt
alt: it is daviss .. thank you!!
vkn: i will read later
daviss: A part of the mission is to go through those courthouses and get records isn't it?
Selma: Laws are always written to benefit the folks who write them...
alt: the interesting twist to this story is that Black children born in Ohio/Indiana during the early 1800's were "free" and the black children born in NY & some of the northeastern states were NOT born "free". until the mid 1830's & 1840's
vkn: true Selma
alt: at least not "legally" I never thought of that "process"
daviss: i wonder how many free persons were actually stolen and sold back into slavery
vkn: Black changes the nature of things
alt: dunno daviss, but have read of it actually happening.
daviss: I did read a narrative of this happening to one lady in Texas well she was stolen and taken to Texas mabe stolen is not the word
Seventies: Anyone get a chance to listen to the link on the Burkle Estate in Memphis?
alt: so a positive unintended consequence of the black laws for Ohio & other states was the freedom registration papers "proving" a black was a FPOC.
daviss: she was a free woman of color,
alt: I went to the site, but haven't listend to the link Seventies .. I'm always interested in UGRR stories.
Selma: Yes alt...
Seventies: Its pretty interesting.
Seventies: I thought that would add to the layer of where this conversation was going.. .the plight of FPOC in America.. and the not so free.
daviss: I see the announcement is on the Forum regarding the Dr Rose set vkn
vkn: yes daviss
daviss: very good Too bad he did not get to see the result
vkn: sales were slow in las vegas
alt: yes Seventies, I think FPOC stories are as wide & diverse as slave narratives a lot of 'particulars' as relates to time & place for FPOC as well as the enslaved
vkn: Oh he did see the results daviss
daviss: oh ok vkn
Seventies: Agree alt.
alt: wb Selma
daviss: wb Selma
Seventies: But what strikes me is the kidnapping...
Selma: There are probably more than we know seventies..you only really hear about the individuals who manage to get someone to help them in the courts or get their stories out.
alt: some good reading is about the 'slave cacthers' coming into Ohio following the passage of the 1850 Fugitive Slave Law ..2 good examples online are the Addison White & the Wellington Rescue cases.
Seventies: Kind of like the human trafficking of today.
Selma: Slavery was BIG BUSINESS in this country and in South America and the Caribbean
alt: VERY BIG BUSINESS Selma... in some cases (states) it was the driving economic factor to any wealth a family may have
vkn: oh yes the Solomon Northrup case was noteworthy of s fpoc being re enslaved
Selma: We have a tornado watch until 8 PM
alt: the founding family of Brown Univ. is a classic example
vkn: oh yes the Solomon Northrup case was noteworthy of a FPOC being re enslaved alt daviss selma seventies
Seventies: The movie is being re-made. about Solomon Northrop
daviss: oh yes vkn I had forgotten about Northrop
alt: a story posted on AfriGeneas by Bennie several years ago. http://www.aaggmv.org/archive/ad_white.htm
vkn: will take a look
alt: Addison White's case happened right here in my area of Ohio Mechanics burg is like 15 miles away from Springfield
daviss: gotta run folks..take care and have a good week end
Seventies: you too daviss
Selma: I have to run too folks..have a great day
Seventies: Selma.. lol ... yesterday I choked on your dust, you were out of here so quick@
Seventies: She got me again.. lol
vkn: bye yall
Seventies: I need to go ahead and get out too... later alt