2013-06-04 • Cartwright Family Bible
vkn: Good Tuesday to all
daviss: Hi there vkn! hi alt!
alt: what's up daviss & vkn?
daviss: just hanging in here alt, thats about it what about you?
vkn: alt daviss vkn howdy
alt: going out to gedmatch as we speak daviss.. was the lady's name Virginia Calhoun? Hi vkn
daviss: yes alt!
vkn: So what is gedmatch?
Khathu: good afternoon/morning
daviss: I wonder if you match her father alt hello khathu
alt: Hello Khathu
vkn: Howdy Khathu
daviss: hi HistoryBuff
vkn: Howdy HistoryBuff
Khathu: The Cartwright descent just informed me that the earliest entry in her ggg grandfather's (Rev. Joseph Cartwright) Bible was 1701
alt: hello HistoryBuff Hello AYWalton
Khathu: I can not wait until she send me the transcriptions or digital pictures of the Bible.
AYWalton: Good afternoon, all.
daviss: Heyyyyy AYWalton!!
vkn: Howdy AYW
AYWalton: Howdy alt, daviss, HistoryBuff, Khathu.
Khathu: Hello AYW and HistoryBuff
AYWalton: Greetings, vkn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hope you are all doing well. Hey Khathu good to see you. How have you been?
vkn: Backatcha AYW
HistoryBuff: Hey AYW
AYWalton: Sent you email a day or two ago, vkn.
daviss: I can say I am AYWalton, what about you?
vkn: Yes AYW nothing was attached
Khathu: AYW - just amazed by the earliest entry in Rev. Joseph Cartwright's Bible
AYWalton: busy as the dickens, daviss, but I guess that's normal. what is that Khathu?
Khathu: The earliest entry is dated 1701
AYWalton: my goodness!!
Khathu: I know!!!!
alt: Khathu, any idea of when the entries into the bible were made?
vkn: Wonderful Khathu
Khathu: So it must be one of his grandparents since he was born around 1783 I think it was his personal Bible but I am not sure alt
AYWalton: how did you come across the Bible, Khathu?
alt: I ask because "when" the entires are made is of great importance.
AYWalton: what is the publication date of the Bible?
Khathu: The Bible has been in the Cartwright family. His ggg grand daughter was my academic mentor during under grad
AYWalton: And did they share it with you or present it to you?
Khathu: She shared a few pages but I am waiting for the rest of it.
AYWalton: how exciting to see something so old. ask her to also copy the title page (showing the printing date.)
alt: the genealogy contained in the bible are great Khathu
Khathu: It is at least 250 years old because he died in 1851
AYWalton: amazing! And how wonderful that you are still in touch with your mentor as well.
alt: but was the information recorded prior to 1851?
HistoryBuff: Interesting artifacts
Khathu: Not sure
alt: I think that's what AYWalton & I are asking
Khathu: That would require some hand writing analysts.
AYWalton: Was the data written in the same penmanship? Or were there various entries made with various hands?
Khathu: the older entries were definitely by someone else left out written
vkn: HistoryBuff did you get note from me re military ?
alt: right, the genealogyin the bible could be a "family log".
AYWalton: you might want to determine the last date of each person's entry. Might give you an idea about time the data was possibly entered.
Khathu: the last entry was in 1901 which was the death of her great grandmother
HistoryBuff: I have not chkd my email yet
AYWalton: quite interesting. Howdy Mizz Selma!!!
alt: exactly, if the entry's were placed in the bible before the death of the owner in 1851.... then you've really got something!!!!!!!
HistoryBuff: Hey Selma
vkn: What time do you leave AYWalton
Khathu: The family was very prominent in the Mehtodist Church
alt: hello Selma
Selma: Good Tuesdday afternoon alt, AY, daviss, History, and vkn
daviss: Hi there Selma!
AYWalton: Leaving on Thursday morning for California, vkn. For the Jamboree.
AYWalton: Then going to Birmingham for Samford on Sunday.
Khathu: heck, it is amazing that the give entry is 1701 and the last is 1901
alt: on the road again LOL LOL LOL
Khathu: that is 200 years of history in that Bible
HistoryBuff: Nice AYW
AYWalton: lol, yes, tell me about it.
Selma: Have a great time AY...wave to the campus for Me
AYWalton: working on my power points and tweaking them as we speak.
vkn: Howdy Selma
alt: right Khathu
AYWalton: I shall Selma---will miss you this year.
Khathu: And this is an African American family Hello Selma
Selma: Afternoon Khathu
AYWalton: I think I am getting too old for Samford---all that on-the-bus off-the-bus stuff, with binder and computer in tow.
alt: that's my question Khathu .. is the gentleman from 1701 documented as an African-american?
AYWalton: exhausting! I was young when I started this stuff!!
Khathu: AYW - I will be presenting at the Anne Arundal Genealogical Society on June 6, 2013
vkn: Tell me about it AYWalton lol
Khathu: African maybe
AYWalton: oh really, Khathu! Will be speaking in Glen Burnie on Crane Highway? lol I hear ya vkn!!!
alt: okay, I meant African..
AYWalton: meant to say will you be speaking on Crane Highway, khathu.
Khathu: No I think Severn, MD
AYWalton: ahhh ok. I will be in California,otherwise I would attend. what is your topic, Khathu? I just got an interesting request from someone in Fredericksburg.
Khathu: Strategies for Conducting Slave Era Research
vkn: Interestimg on line meeting practice with ProfDru
AYWalton: The woman is researching the existance ofa a white woman either volunteering service for the USCT, or even married to a USCT. She said that after reading my blog, she is discouraged from blogging on the subject. Her husband is a reenactor with the 54th and the 23rd and she is looking for a role to play. Khathu, that sounds great! sounds like one of the tracks at MAAGI. ( www.maagi-stl.org )
vkn: AYWalton no attachments to email you sent to me
daviss: discouraged or encouraged AYWalton
AYWalton: perhaps she can play one of the teachers in the Freedman schools or something, but I am not so sure about her playing the wife of a USCT. I don't think that would have happened.
alt: yeah daviss, I wondered also about that
AYWalton: unless she plays the wife of an officer. I shall resend, vkn.
alt: is she a "white" lady AYWalton?
AYWalton: well she said she was.
alt: Oops, if an officer's wife guess she would have to be LOL
alt: daviss, can't find a Virginia Calhoun in my Gedmatch listing of matches.
AYWalton: well I was just popping in to say hello. Doing too much today!
Selma: I think the teacher is a good idea AY
alt: take care and be safe in your travels
AYWalton: I will tell her that.
Selma: Cause the other scenerio ain't likely
AYWalton: Have a great day everyone.
daviss: hold on alt, I will get the M number
alt: okay daviss Khathu... were the Cartwright's free in the late 1600's/early 1700's?
Khathu: No, the early 1800s or at least Joseph Cartwright was.
alt: okay Khathu
Selma: Was he emacipated Khathu? Or born free?
Khathu: Before 1816. I found a court document where he was petitioning to remain in VA
Selma: Then he was emancipated after 1806..when that law was passed
alt: daviss , match is on chromsome 11 7 cM's
daviss: I think so alt ...how many snps
vkn: Daviss I have 23&Me kit. Will submit later in week
alt: SNP's = 1,312 daviss
daviss: over 700 its a true match ok vkn.... a little bit of spit goes a long way lol
vkn: y'all be good
alt: I reckon daviss....
daviss: alt I match her dad
alt: shouldn't I be able to see her on my "match list"?
daviss: you mean on GedMatch alt?
alt: okay, so this must mean our relationship is thru her mother, right? yes, on Gedmatch
daviss: that is how I saw you alt?? plug in her M and scroll down
alt: really, how come I don't see you on mine? LOL
daviss: I saw your name with a F number When her father gets all his matches she will upload his to Gedmatch.
daviss: hold on let me be sure
Khathu: have a great day everyone
alt: I have received more matches from ancestryDNA ...... 63 in 2 days
daviss: yes thats it athomas9
alt: that bes' me LOL
daviss: its there partner
alt: okay, let me go 'fool around' on Gedmatch for awhile.....
daviss: lol ok take care I think I will go get an oil change take care alt, historyBuff and Selma
alt: I just plugged in her # & saw my name daviss
HistoryBuff: I'll sign off also bye.
alt: are you on her listing?
daviss: no but I match her dad she manages his account
alt: oh, okay
daviss: Oh I match her on the X
alt: and you could see her listing and her dad's listing, right?
daviss: so I could still match her but through recombination it does not show
alt: this stuff is getting 'deep' Selma LOL LOL
daviss: As soon as her dad gets all his 23 matches done she will upload his raw to gedmatch
daviss: lol mabe you will show up there also in fact check your 23 and see if you see a henry calhoun
daviss: ok I will see yall later gonna run to the car dealer need oil changed so I might as well do it today take care alt and Selma!
alt: okay later