2013-05-08 • Searching & Finding
daviss: hello there Seventies!
Seventies: hello thar daviss! lol
daviss: how are you doing today
Seventies: doing pretty good. How are you?
daviss: ok ok I guess lol still early for me
Seventies: lol oh yeah like 9 am huh?
daviss: For some reason I am sleeping too hard since the seasons changed
Seventies: its the time change from TX to AZ And probably other things. Just get your rest.
daviss: no, its been that way for awhile then I am wide awake til the wee hrs of the night :?
Seventies: that's not good. Hello Selma
daviss: Hello there Selma
Selma: Good Wednesday afternoon daviss and seventies
Seventies: Ok so I am really liking the NEW family search
daviss: Good for you Seventies lol
Seventies: You read my fb status, huh? So I got the VA record for Richard Earl's pension. Excited about that. hi alt
alt: Hi y'all.. thought you'd get away without me bugging you, huh? LOL
Selma: Afternoon alt..
deannie: Good afternonn everyone
daviss: thats great seventies
Selma: Afternoon deannie
daviss: hi alt and deannie
Seventies: I need to confirm Richard Earl's relationship to the Earls family that Roxie McFarland married into.
daviss: hahahaha @alt no such thoughts
karoshi8: Good afternoon everyone!
Seventies: Hi deannie and karoshi8
alt: so hi, daviss, deannie, karoshi8, Selma, Seventies
Selma: Afternoon karoshi8
daviss: hello karoshi8
deannie: Hi alt, daviss,karoshi8, selma, seventies, and
Selma: Is this a CW Pension record seventies
Seventies: Yes a CW pension file that is housed at the VA....
Selma: Why is it housed at the VA?
Seventies: I'm not sure. But someone may have made a pension claim in later years.... the last entry I see is 1920
Seventies: Or the pension claim was still open
daviss: very nice Seventies..anything in there that will expand on new names?
Seventies: No, but it does explain the appearance of cousin Millie Earls.... See because all the Earls were thought only to be cousins to my ggrandaunts Kate and Jane. But this brings other family relationships into play.
daviss: thats wonderful
Seventies: See from what I was looking at, the Earls were not related to my gg grandfather. Hi HistoryBuff
daviss: Hello HistoryBuff
deannie: I need a little help with a search for someone I chatted with online last night...their id was ihhmag...she/he are looking for Jane and Isabelle Demeanus/Demenus in New York in 1860...they have located them on the 1850 and 1870 U S Census....I told them that all of you are the best researchers I know
alt: sounds like a case for "cluster genealogy" Seventies
deannie: Hi Historybuff
HistoryBuff: Hey all
Seventies: Yes Richard served with Mary's uncles in the 58th USCT under similar cirumstances
alt: hello HistoryBuff
karoshi8: Hello HistoryBuff
Seventies: Both transferred or credited to the 58th USCT in the reg't records But doesn't say WHERE they were transferred from. I am wondering if they were 'contraband'
HistoryBuff: Good question Seventies
alt: was the 58th "consolidated" with some other unit Seventies?
Seventies: Not to my knowledge... Usually when I see that, they list all of the other units associated with the soldiers service.
alt: so you're saying they served with two different units ????
HistoryBuff: Where did they enlist?
Selma: Afternoon Historybuff
Seventies: No I'm saying that their enlistment was credited to the Natchez District/58th USCT
Selma: Deannie..did you invite the person to our Lunch Bunch chat
HistoryBuff: Hey Selma.
Seventies: There is not any indication that they served prior to based on the info. That's what leads me to think that they may have been contraband.
deannie: Yes I told him/her they were on last nite
daviss: was sadonya in chat last night deannie?
deannie: No just me and ihhmag
alt: if they were there in 1850 & 1870 sounds like they might just ne mis-indexed in 1860. there= on the census
Selma: Are you using the term "contraband" to mean that he was located in some other area or another state and "ran to Union lines"
Seventies: No I'm saying they left Wilkinson Co and went up to Natchez
HistoryBuff: Good question Selma.
daviss: oh ok deannie and what was the first name
Seventies: Natchez was a hub of Union loyalist .... lol .... activity To a certain extent.
deannie: Jane and Isbella (both listed as black) in New York
Selma: Seventies..when you say went they went up to Natchez..then yes they "ran to Union LInes"
Seventies: oh okay....
Selma: They didn't take a Greyhound.. LOL
Seventies: lol nope probably just ran like greyhounds.. lol
Khathu: Hello everyone
Seventies: Hello Khahtu!
daviss: hi Khathu!!
deannie: Hi Khathu
HistoryBuff: Hey. Khathu
alt: Hello Khathu whole lot of folks hear and ain't nobody talkin' LOL LOL hear=here
karoshi8: I'm just listening!
HistoryBuff: Same here
Seventies: lol well now alt, you are a repository of historical knowledge.. enlighten us
daviss: listening to seventies account of her find and also mting in 1860 NY census for deannie lol
alt: whaddayu wanna know? LOL
Selma: Afternoon khahtu
Seventies: How to successfully find your FPOC in Ohio and VA... lol
Khathu: we need to talk about how we can professionalize AA genealogists or at least raise the bar a few notches
alt: deannie, these NY folks they were obivously FPOC >>>
Seventies: I would love to have a course on how to trace your enslaved ancestors....
deannie: I know I know
Seventies: at all levels. I can admit that I.NEED.HELP.
Khathu: I am teaching one next month at the Anne Arundel County Genealogical Society
daviss: Anyone going to MAAGI?
alt: practice, practice, practice Khathu .... how do you mean professionalize? not me daviss
Seventies: deannie, what do you need help on with NY FPOCs. I am about an hour outside NYC
Khathu: I mean in relation to source citation, writing up their research, submitting articles to be published in journals, etc. and teaching more advanced research classes
alt: okay Khathu, in other words, be more than a 'drive-by" genealogist.
Khathu: Most of the classes on AA research appear to be targeted toward beginners
Seventies: I think its needed.
Khathu: @alt more like an arm chair researcher
deannie: I trying to locate jane and Isbella Demeanus/Demenus on the 1860 U S Census...for firstname.lastname@example.org. I met her/him last nite on AfriGeneas These are her people.
Selma: I agree Khathu & alt...but good many folks don't want to do all that that entails..
alt: "most" genealogist are beginners Khathu, ever notice who most classes are greaed toward at a genealogy workshop? B=Beginner I=intermediate A=advanced .... very few I & A sessions
Selma: and that entails knowing everything about what is going on within the state or region you are researching not necessarily directly related to AA's
daviss: is that not what the MAAGI ?
Selma: One of the best presentations I have heard was done by a white researcher on migration out the state of VA..I didn't go there to hear about black folks..I went there to hear about migration of white folks out of the state..cause they took the black folks with them in some cases
daviss: Is that not what MAAGI is about
alt: I've been at it for 25 years and at best I would call myself Intermediate.... too many areas I'm deficient in.
Seventies: really alt?
alt: yep Seventies
Selma: deannie..that Demenus surname sounds familiar..has that person been to the chat before
alt: I've heard DeRemus, not Demenus
deannie: I do not know i saw it last nite for the first time
Seventies: See I thought you were advanced... I would consider you advanced.
alt: I appreciate that Seventies, but no way am I advanced
alt: and I really consider myself more of a family historian than a genealogist.
Selma: Just because you are deficient in "some" areas alt..doesn't mean you are not advanced..
alt: only thing advanced about me is my age Selma LOL LOL LOL
Selma: Hey..aarp members "unite"
alt: heck, I'm so old that I'm a "Senior" AARP member LOL
Selma: You got the GOLD card..
karoshi8: Golden Buckeye Card!
alt: platinum !!!
Seventies: I'm telling y'all don't start! lol lol lol
Seventies: Ok can we talk genealogy equipment, please? and thank you. :}
Selma: Khathu..you are not necessarily talking about AA doing this as a profession..but taking a more professional attitude in what they ?
Khathu: @Selma exactly
Seventies: I need a new voice recorder. any recommends? Something with a usb and a few GB of memory.
alt: Khathu, Citation is an area where we are usually the weakest..
Khathu: as well as reading alt
alt: no doubt, reading without question
Seventies: I plan to make up for a few years of missed genealogy opportunities by interviewing EVERYONE that I can.+ in MS
deannie: Sounds like a plan to me seventies
alt: Seventies, then when you get the interviews hit the "books" and separate fact from fiction.
Selma: You mean reading like a "BOOK".. LOL
Seventies: alt, I already know that.. but hey stories are great...
deannie: I an unable to locate a good voice recorder
Seventies: I have an RCA, BUT my batteries leaked inside and I want something of a good quality that I can put the interviews on my website.
alt: true Seventies, but they need to "cited' as stories and not incorporated into the factual aspects of one's genealogy
HistoryBuff: I'm back.
Seventies: oh yea, everything presents contexual clues for me.
alt: I've seen too many narratives that 'contradict' the facts of documented genealogy.... in the same set of "trees'.
karoshi8: I try to talk to everyone I can Seventies, but you have to watch out for conflicting stories.
Seventies: Sometimes stories are just really good. And its entertaining just to listen.
Selma: I think conflicting stories should be written as such..and identified as conflicting stories...
Seventies: I'm compiling a list of people as we speak.
alt: no doubt Seventies & that's what I'm talking about Selma .. identifying conflicting "stories"
Selma: Families and individuals have a "vested interest" in this information..we have to sort out stories and set it straight..and in many cases..folks still think you don't know what you are talking about.
Seventies: And I am hoping to visit Dallas County and Autauga County, AL as well.
Khathu: Have a good one
Selma: So no resting on the beach for you this summer seventies.. LOL
deannie: I have to run also....back to work have a great day
Seventies: No ma'am! I got thangs to do, big thangs! lol
HistoryBuff: Later 70s.
alt: exactly Selma, and that is a big problem when relating one's findings to family when they are more interested in maintaining family mythodolgy.
karoshi8: I agree alt. The stories are great to listen to, but it gets frustrating when they don't add up to the documentation.
alt: yep karoshi8
karoshi8: Always makes me second guess myself. And I do that enough! lol
daviss: lol karoshi8
alt: and the truth can be hurtful to folks that have an ingrained belief in some of those stories
Selma: I listen to the stories..and go where the records take me
karoshi8: Yes alt! Sometimes I am just grateful that people will speak to me about the family in general.
daviss: I envy those who had stories to listen to. That is a part of my life that I missed out on
Seventies: I'm going to use every thing I've got to get these folks to talk to me. I know its hard.Sometimes they don't want to talk to us.
alt: I'm having a problem with stories about how our family was "beat out" of property when in fact most of the family walked away from the property and their responsibilty to it.
daviss: now to get my folks to listen to my stories lol
alt: good luck daviss
Seventies: alt that's a sensitive topic for a lot of people. So I don't go there and if I must, I tread lightly.
Selma: Write them up daviss...tape yourself...put them in some repository
Seventies: daviss is being modest.... StoryCorp was in her town... did you get a chance to go daviss?
alt: good advice Selma...
daviss: nope Seventies I did not even though I was told about it being here
Seventies: yeah I told you... lol
HistoryBuff: By the way-------The African American Civil war Museum will be commemorating the 150th Anniversary of the founding of the Bureau of the United States Colored Troops at 1925 Vermont Avenue, Washington, DC during Tues., May 21, 2013, and Wed., May 22, 2013. A link is as follows: http://www.afroamcivilwar.org/news-a-events.html
alt: thanks for the heads-up HistoryBuff
Seventies: That's unfortunate... and yes I did. I posted the link on your FB page. You have a lot of good stories daviss.
Selma: Thanks history buff..post it on the Genealogy and Military Forum
daviss: thanks HB for the link and don't forget to post on Forum
alt: now is the time for the USCT descendants to really become active on this 150th anniversary my angst and argument was and is still all of the activity/talk about the USCT since CW150 started 2 years ago and the USCT wasn't even in existence at that time 1860-1861.
Seventies: I haven't seen much of anything, but I will keep it in mind. I also see that the AACWM is being repaired? wow
alt: As we keep saying .. time, place & context
Seventies: Yes, this is our 150th year since 1863. But I wonder how the Corp de Afrique played into this. some were established before 1863, like the 10th corp de Afrique in Louisiana and Ullman's brigade.
Selma: No angst for me alt..you have to start talking about it while there is interest..can't wait till the date
HistoryBuff: Okay Daviss. Thanks. Yes, Seventies, the monument is being repaired. Tours and events still take place in the museum.
Seventies: thanks HistoryBuff.
alt: I guess Selma
Selma: When they were planning for the 400th Anniversary of Jamestown..they started 10 years before... I went to a meeting..you can't wait
alt: so let's see how much "activity" we get from this point forward on USCT history.
HistoryBuff: The Corp de Afrique was first established from the Louisiana Native Guard.
Seventies: well you know how we do....
Selma: Yes I do seventies.. lOL
HistoryBuff: Makes sense that we need to get our input in the planning. WB Selma.
alt: yes HistoryBuff ... and it was established initially as part of the confederate effort okay, it's skedaddle time for me y'all take care
Seventies: and the financial backing would've been wonderful as well.
Selma: Yep..time for me to go too..have a great day Have a great day
Seventies: bye alt and Selma
Seventies: Well its a slow day at work... very slow.. lol
daviss: guess I will head out also. I need to take a walk lol
Seventies: what??? Omg lol
daviss: to the corner lol lol
Seventies: You mean the whole 50 ft? lol
daviss: yep lol
Seventies: Ok then well I need to get going too . . . I guess... lol
HistoryBuff: Okay good folks. See ya next time.
daviss: talk later
Seventies: see you HB, karoshi8 and daviss.