2013-04-29 • CARTWRIGHT of VA
Seventies: Is anyone going to chat today??
Khathu: Hello Seventies and alt
alt: hello y'all.. how ya doing today? Khathu, what's up?
Khathu: 'm good, just getting back from the Loudoun County Archives
alt: wonderful, was it a successful trip?
Khathu: I pulled some manumission records. Philip Cartwrightr is the father of Nicodemus, Warren and Ann
Khathu: Not sure if Philip is also the father of Joseph Cartwright Although Philip is also listed as Lewis on a deed record I located. The name Lewis is interesting because Joseph named one of his sons Lewis
alt: was Philip/Lewis a 'free' black himself?
Khathu: He was listed in the 1820 Census yes he was
alt: Loudoun Co,,, is the Leesburg (?) and how far is that from you in DC? Denise, the former AfriGeneas chatter did a lot of work with the Balch (?) spelling library there in Loudoun Co. Denise Oliver-Velez
Khathu: All of the cartwrights in the Record of Free Negroes 1844-1861 were children of Philip Cartwright
Seventies: Hey y'all.
alt: hello Seventies
Khathu: So it is highly likely that he is also the father of Joseph
alt: Are the Singleton's in those Loudon Co. records as FPOC?
Khathu: I just noticed that I forgot to obtain a copy of page 208 featuring Nicodemus Cartwright Leesburg is about a 75 minute drive outside of DC I will write to them to obtain Nicodemus Cartwright manumission document.
alt: wonderful!!!!! So, Phillip had to 'free' his children, they must have been born of an emslved woman.
Khathu: Ann and Anna Mahala Cartwright are the same person. The first entry she is by herself and the second one she is registering her children.
alt: enslaved .....did Phillip "own' their mother?
Khathu: He freed some of his children. Now Joseph was emancipated by a John Rose in 1819
Seventies: How many children did he have? This Phillip Cartwright.
Khathu: Yes, that is correct. I am not sure he if 'owned' their mother.
alt: sounds like Joseph may have been a brother. or some other type relative, to Phillip.
Seventies: He got knocked out...
alt: Oops, Khathu probably got bumped wb Khathu
Khathu: Joseph would have been too young to have been a brother.
alt: okay NIcodemus & his family is the only one I can find that came into Ohio.
Seventies: You're going to have to do an update in the forums.
Khathu: I am planning on doing it this evening
alt: wonderful!!! the update Did I mention the "goodie" I found over the weekend..... a Petition to the Senate of the State of Ohio in 1838 by my ancestor Lewis Adams... it is online.
Khathu: It appears that most of Philip's children were born between 1817-1830
alt: do you have any idea where the other children went after they got their 'freedom'?
Khathu: A review of birth dates of the Joseph and Philip shows that they are more likely brothers - Philip b.1775 and Joseph b. 1783
alt: ah so.. that's my impression .. brothers or cousins, or maybe even as Denise would say "plantation kin".
Khathu: Maybe - since they are the only Cartwrights in the County, I am assuming they are definitely related.
alt: yep what's up with you Seventies?
Seventies: Nothing. I talked to vicky a little while ago... just to check in with her.
alt: Is she home now?
Khathu: The information I found on Joseph Cartwright concerning his emancipation was a court order determining whether or not he would be allowed to remain in the County
Seventies: No still in TX. Family is trying to get things in order. She says she's doing fine.
alt: okay, thanks Seventies
Seventies: I was wondering about that Khathu. With the registering and all.
Khathu: The court order was dated 14 Dec 1819. Unfortunately the actual deed of John Rose emancipating him has yet to be located. He never registered. This order was found in the FPOC Papers. They was loose papers
alt: many VA counties had Black Codes stating that Blacks had 1 year to get out of VA after being freed, or retuned to slavery.. That is where the FPOC petitions to remain in the State come from.
Seventies: ok I recall that from the Blair Underwood episode of WDYTYA
Khathu: So back on that we can assume that he was emancipated between 1817-1819
alt: another good point... Cartwright was "owned" by John Rose, but took the surname of Cartwright .. interesting..... or at least he was 'freed' by John Rose, right?
Khathu: one or the other Hopefully, I will obtain more information from reviewing the church records.
alt: wishing you the best Khathu
Khathu: I haven't found anything on Philip's emancipation By the way, the Singletons were not listed in the Free Black Records of Loudoun County
alt: okay thanks Khathu a thought on Phillip.... he didn't need to be emancipated because he was born of a free woman, possibly a white woman named Cartwright.
Seventies: ok all, gotta run. take care.
alt: take care Seventies
Khathu: That is a thought
alt: there are so many, many possibilities Khathu
Khathu: Yes, there are alt Now according to a questionaire take at Mt. Zion in the 1970s, Joseph had several brothers Willie, Frank and Harry and his father was a Hamilton Cartwright
alt: this is some interesting work you're doing Khathu .... I'm very much into the workings of FPOC, how they became free and their lives after becoming free.
Khathu: This is new territory for me alt It is very fascinating
alt: ah so, okay... Mt. Zion is that the AME church in G'Town?
Khathu: No it is a ME
alt: okay, but is this the church in G'Town?
Khathu: Yes, it is. Philip's wife was named Sophia
alt: I've been there several times.... and knew it was ME, but I thought it was AME LOL so, most of the other Cartwright's went to the DC & MD area from Loudoun Co., while Nicodemus came to Ohio?
Khathu: I have only been able to locate Joseph and Nicodemus after 1850
Khathu: I will post an update to the forum later today.
alt: wonderful.. I'll follow it with great interest.. And if you don't mind respond with my information on the descendants of Nicodemus here in Ohio.
alt: thank you
Khathu: Have a great day!