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2010-07-30*LunchBunch *LunchBunchStart: 11:56:17
vkn: Greetings to all. We are expecting Eugene Nicholas to join us for chat today. Gene has just posted his query to surnames including a .pdf attachment of a beginning pedigree chart. I spoke with Gene by phone on yesterday and suggested that he would need a creative search plan to try and determine who the father of his father might be. Also told him that LunchBunch Peeps can make MANY suggestions to help him move forward. Some initial suggestions 1. Follow the Nettie Rule and initiate a database of all housholds for 2 pages forward and 2 pages backwards of where family/mother is found in years 1910 and 1920. The males in this base will provide a list of "suspects" alt: hello vkn & enicholas vkn: Howdy alt enicholas Welcome enicholas: hi everyone - north carolina greetings alt: greetings from Ohio enicholas vkn: alt please note I have PREpared info for us to get ready to help enicholas enicholas: sounds cool to me alt: I just finished reading your plan/approach vkn vkn: We are glad you have joined us enicholas enicholas: glad to be here alt: we're doing a plan to help enicholas locate his grandfather, right? vkn: Yes alt enicholas: i hope vkn: There is no bc or any clues to potential father enicholas: whats bc alt: okay, should I hold my questions until some of the others arrive? keep enicholas from having to repeat his answers vkn: birth certificate enicholas: thanks nope vkn: Vicky will not be here today alt so proceed with the Q's alt enicholas: should i go ahead and tell you what i know alt: okay.. what is our time frame and location to start our search? vkn: enicholas alt is our resident expert and will lead us in making a plan enicholas: ok alt: oh, oh vkn has put it on me LOL lOL vkn: enicholas alt is our resident expert and will lead us in making a plan so give him answers to the questions he raises LOL @ alt ahem, alt lol alt: where is the pedigree chart? on a Forum? vkn: yes on surnames alt as a pdf Welcome 3rd and howdy we are helping enicholas today Let me give a link to his query freeaainnc: hi vkn: Howdy free we are helping enicholas today alt: hello 3rd & free freeaainnc: ok vkn: http://www.afrigeneas.com/forumc/index.cgi?md=read;id=32850 3rdthawkins: hello alt free and vkn, and Welcome Enicholas, was scrolling back and reading alt: Looking at the pedigree chart.. are we searching for Edward Nicholas. Sr.? vkn: Yes alt for his father who is ??? enicholas may be behind a frozen screen I will try and help 3rdthawkins: hello rwatson2617 alt: so the father would have been somewhere around the late 1800's ... do we have a possible location? enicholas: im still here vkn: Howdy and welcome rwatson freeaainnc: Hi Eugene, I'm from Raleigh! rwatson2617: Hello 3rdthawkins. hi vkn 3rdthawkins: In Missouri enicholas but searching in TX AR and SC enicholas: im from Roanoke originally but live in the Raleigh area now vkn: enicholas oh ok are you able to follow the discussion? enicholas: i think so rwatson2617: I'm looking for the surnames of Hyler and Airhart in Conway County, Arkansas vkn: enicholas freeaainnc is in NC freeaainnc: hi rwatson just told him vkn vkn: rwatson2617 did you post a query to www.afrigeneas.com/forumc alt: oh, okay... I see Roanoke, Pittsylvania Co., VA... is that our starting point? freeaainnc: welcome back rwatson rwatson2617: yes i did post a query. vkn: welcome back rwatson. It gets bumpy in here rwatson2617: yep it is. vkn: alt I think Roanoke is an Independent City alt: you were going to tell us what you already have enicholas.. is that what is on your pedigree chart? enicholas: yep Roanoke City is in Roanoke County, I included Pittsylvania because that was another area I know we had relatives in years ago freeaainnc: enicholas - have you gone to the state library of NC in Raleigh? vkn: Rwatson we are trying to focus with enicholas for the moment. We are so glad you are here. I will go and check out your query rwatson2617: ok. thank you very much enicholas: was not aware of. I am heading to Roanoke VA next weekend for a high school reunion and plan to do some checking of various sources alt: have you done any research using census records enicholas? enicholas: not yet 3rdthawkins: sure vkn rwatson2617: enicholas, I'd be happy to help you search census records freeaainnc: enicholas since you are in Cary, I encourage you to come to the State Library downtown Raleigh. I am a genealogy librarian there and we are more than happy to help you. alt: okay, I see the birth in Feb 1920 with Clara as the mother, right? enicholas: wow - i certainly will at your convenience freeaainnc: We have a lot of books on Virginia as well as NC and census microfilm for all states through 1880 and some other states (I think VA) through 1930 vkn: rwatson where are you located ??? rwatson2617: im located in Kansas City, Ks freeaainnc: and of course take advantage of the wealth of knowledge right here at afrigeneas! vkn: ahhhhhhh great Black migration rwatson? enicholas: yes that's right - Clara (my grandmother) told me that his father's last name was Minnow and had moved to Columbus, OH the last she knew alt: enicholas, have you tried using any online search website such as Ancestry.com? 3rdthawkins: enicholas is this information from your own person records or are there any other records that you have (BC, DC, Marr.??_ rwatson2617: Yes, from South Carolina, to Arkansas, then to Kansas city or Chicago enicholas: i have but have found that to be more of my filling in the blanks from a combination of both personal and bc's vkn: rwatson maybe you can do a chat about the migration enicholas dc- death certificate rwatson2617: I could, what specifically would you like me to talk about enicholas: ok only have that one for my mother cant find the one for my father freeaainnc: where was your mother's death certificate located? enicholas: richmond va freeaainnc: ok enicholas: i would imagine that most of them would be there freeaainnc: where did your father die? vkn: Well send me a telephone number at vkn@afrigeneas.com and I will call you to make a plan and a topic in accord with your comfort zone. LOL rwatson rwatson2617: maybe. I'll have to think about because i have a very busy schedule enicholas: Everyone on my pdf died in Roanoke with the exception of my father's father which I don't know alt: enicholas,is Clara the daughter of Gus? freeaainnc: ok vkn: rwatson only busy people get things done LOL rwatson2617: yep your right about that. enicholas: i remember an uncle Gus so maybe her brother she also had a sister Maybelle Bradshaw who also died in Roanoke alt: I see the family in Roanoke (indep City) in 1930 with Eugene as an 11 y/o enicholas: WOW alt: clara was born ca 1906, Marybelle abt 1915 Gus is their father, right? Clara & Marybelle vkn: Super great, alt. See enicholas I told you help is here. Also alt enicholas said his daughter started the family search at about age 15 enicholas: you are so right thank you so much vkn: okies 3rd alt: wonderful, the daughter at it already I can respond with this family as a post on the surname forum to 'get the ball rolling' if you like. vkn: Sounds like a good idea to moi alt and enicholas Selma: Good Afternoon, Alt, enicholas, free and vkn enicholas: is there a chart or template you would reccomend for use alt: I notice on your pedigree enicholas, that the male/female positions are different that what is usual... the male is usually the top line and female the bottom line. vkn: Selma we are trying to help enicholas make a search plan Selma: Great vkn....glad to meet you enicholas freeaainnc: enicholas if you are ever able to come to the state library (we are open Monday-Saturday), we can also show you how to search the census records yourself if you would like to learn enicholas: i'm just trying to figure this out thanks for all your help vkn: Whew thanx alt when I saw that I was confused and thought age had taken hold of my senses lol lol lol alt: Yes enicholas, there are blank charts on the 'Net... I think the Beginner's Guide on AfriGeneas will direct you to some. enicholas: thanks i will plan on coming by on Monday if that's ok with you free freeaainnc: That will be great! Selma: enicholas is your family from Roanoke, VA enicholas: yes Selma: What are your surnames? freeaainnc: you can ask for me specifically (Erin) or just have anyone at the reference desk help you and show you around enicholas: I will ask for you Erin - thanks again vkn: http://www.afrigeneas.com/forumc/index.cgi?md=read;id=32850 Selma freeaainnc: No problem enicholas and also you never need to schedule ahead of time with us to come, just as long as we are open from 8:30-5 m-f and 9-5 on saturdays enicholas: ok got it. Selma: Thanks vee alt: enicholas, is Edward Eugene Nichols named after an uncle Eugene? freeaainnc: and if you had come to the library first, I would have directed you here so it all works out vkn: lol @ free enicholas: you're right - God orders our steps freeaainnc: V, that reminds me, you weren't in here when I told alt the other day that I directed a patron here and told her to talk to alt because she is looking for free blacks who came from NC to OH vkn: lol @ free I love circles they just go round and round and they come out here lol freeaainnc: v: exactly! LOL vkn: ahhhhhhh great free Selma: enicholas...not to be a know it all...but when you do a Pedigree chart, Fathers (males) and Moms (females) go on the bottom..in other words..Edward should bet where Cora is freeaainnc: her name is Brenda and and I also showed her the message boards, surname registry, etc. hopefully we'll see her soon in here Selma: Fathers (males) go on TOP enicholas: thanks i'll get it straight freeaainnc: she is a school principal though and school is starting there in about 2 weeks so she is overwhelmed with stuff vkn: I hope so. Also hope you will be ready to begin your NC chat series soon. freeaainnc: enicholas: when you come to the library, bring everything you have with you, ok? Selma: Her time will be limited..really quickly free enicholas: will do. freeaainnc: lol v, I was just thinking about that. How bout we start the week after labor day? definitely selma so I'm not sure when she will be in here alt: Yes Selma, that is what we noticed and told him... it is to match the 'numbering scheme' for pedigree charts. males are even numbered 2,4,6, etc. females are 1,3,5, etc to match the previous even number male. vkn: okies let us make a plan free. will need an assistant or co-host free Selma: Oh, sorry I missed alt..like I said didn't want to be a know it all... LOL BRB freeaainnc: v: ok, didn't realize that. Maybe alt? alt: it was confusing to us when (vkn & me) when we first looked at the chart Selma LOL vkn: Well Selma when I saw the chart I thought maybe a new application freeaainnc: lol Selma: Free, I was looking at an Auction catalog.. They have a NC Will......1824, in which a mother 'bequeths my goods and chattesl" to her son and 2 daughters vkn: Free alt will prolly have his hands full as Resident Expert across all chats so you will need to put him on your chats schedule lol freeaainnc: wow Selma! alt: enicholas, is Eugene Clara's younger brother? or her son? khathu: hello everyone enicholas: son vkn: Howdy Khathu we are helping enicholas make a search plan VA NC khathu: okay freeaainnc: lol v! ok. let me know if you have any ideas for who would be a good cohost. I was thinking alt b/c a lot of free blacks in NC migrated to OH which is alts area of expertise and I don't think Paul would be willing to help host the chat Selma: naming slaves "Neton a woman, Ferry, a boy, Mead a boy, Henry a Boy, Hardy a boy, and Martine a Girl" together with 3 good feather beds, furniture.. alt: okay enicholas, then Gus at 50 is the father, Clara at 24 is his daughter and Eugene at 11 is her son? freeaainnc: Selma: wow! where was the will written?? vkn: enicholas and all I will post this chat to the logs at about mid afternoon this day enicholas: sounds good Selma: Auction price.......150 to $170 dollars freeaainnc: enicholas before I forget, http://statelibrary.ncdcr.gov/patrons/genealogists.html is the website for the library and genealogy section. gives info on parking and hours, etc. ok? enicholas: thanks freeaainnc: Selma: where was it written? no problem alt: does that sequence sound correct to you enicholas? Gus, Clara, Eugene enicholas: very plausible Selma: It doesn't say....not sure if not included in catalog description or no identifying information on the actual document alt: I found the surname Minnow in McDowell County, WV around this time frame enicholas .. does that ring a bell? enicholas: possible alt: that's @ enicholas Selma: This is the website for the company..Cohasco,Inc. Yonkers, NY khathu: gotta run...just wanted to say hello to everyone alt: Oops, basic question.. these are AA's we're looking for right? Selma: http://cohascodpc.com/ freeaainnc: Selma: interesting! because where ever it was written from, it is most likely stolen property from an archive Selma: vkn...isn't Upson County GA....where David's research is centered...there are 2 doments from there vkn: Yes it is Selma Selma: Ok will send to him freeaainnc: brb, got to email my archives contact to make him aware of this... vkn: Wow Selma, David often speaks of missing/stolen documents and records Selma: It doesn't have to have been stolen... alt: question for enicholas... to your knowledge, was Clara and Edward Eugene's father (Minnow) married? enicholas: no - i don't think they ever were alt: okay thanks vkn: Ok well I will put the best face on it then Selma The President did say yesterday to not think the worse lol Selma: LOL...he has a great smile It didn't have to have been stolen free...... freeaainnc: vkn: it happens a lot! the archives here in Raleigh has put in a big surveillance system at the archives b/c of that problem Selma: Yes, it is an issue at many libraries and archives..all over the country freeaainnc: if it's an original record, it likely was unless it was something that was passed down through the family yep! there was a library in charlotte 2 years ago that had a bunch of documents stolen alt: enicholas, do you have anything else on Minnow? enicholas: not a thing at this time I've got a call in to a cousin vkn: freeaainnc gotta try and keep genealogists honest they are otherwise nice people but greedy when it comes to records lol freeaainnc: I sent an email to Chris at the archives just to make him aware of that. It may not have been stolen, but I believe they keep a list of stolen records and could check just to be sure lol v! totally greedy! Selma: Ah...good thing free alt: enicholas, you might check to see what birth information is public and available for Roanoke from the 1900's forward. Selma: Two of the biggest thefts have been folks who "worked at the archives".think big one was in PHilly enicholas: i'm going to have to leave shortly but wanted to thank everyone for there help. Let me know what i can do for the group. alt: yw & come back freeaainnc: I'm not surprised selma! Selma: Roanoke was an independent city in VA...they have birth and death records for that time frame enicholas: i will check on that when i go to Roanoke alt: be sure and keep checking the surname forum too vkn: Enicholas sure hope you have found your first chat helpful and that you will visit us often freeaainnc: I can see how it would be tempting to take something when you come across a gold mine document enicholas: I think so but I think they're all kept in Richmond (capital) how often do you meet Selma: Hold on enichols I wil tell you freeaainnc: every weekday at this time (12-1:30ish) enicholas: that's great vkn: Bad bad free clear your thoughts lol Da archives police gonna getcha lol alt: not a VA researcher, but I would think counties & even independent cities would have a register of births for their jurisdictions. freeaainnc: LOL v! enicholas: okay - i'll see Selma: There are microfilm birth records for Roanoke from 1885 to 1896 at LVA LVA is Library of VA enicholas: thanks will check out too vkn: Grrrrrrrrrrrrreat session today peeps. Selma: Yep...good to see everyone........gotta run Have a great day.. vkn: U 2 selma alt: me too.. laters' y'all vkn: okies alt enicholas: Thank you all again - I'll be back freeaainnc: I need to get going too! hope to see you at the library enicholas vkn: okies enicholas bye free freeaainnc: and be sure to bring your research with you enicholas: you will definitely and will do freeaainnc: bye v enicholas: Plan on coming Monday around 9:30 freeaainnc: ok, great enicholas! see you soon! vkn: okies free freeaainnc: sounds great! enicholas: will do freeaainnc: one thing enicholas, I just want to let you know I am deaf so you will need to write down your questions, etc. for me, ok? vkn: sign out by clicking on the far right icon enicholas enicholas: no problem freeaainnc: ok, great and see you later! enicholas: thanks i was looking for it vkn: lol |
