vkn: Greetings to all. We are expecting Eugene Nicholas to join us for chat today. Gene has just posted his query to surnames including a .pdf attachment of a beginning pedigree chart. I spoke with Gene by phone on yesterday and suggested that he would need a creative search plan to try and determine who the father of his father might be. Also told him that LunchBunch Peeps can make MANY suggestions to help him move forward. Some initial suggestions 1. Follow the Nettie Rule and initiate a database of all housholds for 2 pages forward and 2 pages backwards of where family/mother is found in years 1910 and 1920. The males in this base will provide a list of "suspects"
alt: hello vkn & enicholas
vkn: Howdy alt enicholas Welcome
enicholas: hi everyone - north carolina greetings
alt: greetings from Ohio enicholas
vkn: alt please note I have PREpared info for us to get ready to help enicholas
enicholas: sounds cool to me
alt: I just finished reading your plan/approach vkn
vkn: We are glad you have joined us enicholas
enicholas: glad to be here
alt: we're doing a plan to help enicholas locate his grandfather, right?
vkn: Yes alt
enicholas: i hope
vkn: There is no bc or any clues to potential father
enicholas: whats bc
alt: okay, should I hold my questions until some of the others arrive? keep enicholas from having to repeat his answers
vkn: birth certificate
enicholas: thanks nope
vkn: Vicky will not be here today alt so proceed with the Q's alt
enicholas: should i go ahead and tell you what i know
alt: okay.. what is our time frame and location to start our search?
vkn: enicholas alt is our resident expert and will lead us in making a plan
alt: oh, oh vkn has put it on me LOL lOL
vkn: enicholas alt is our resident expert and will lead us in making a plan so give him answers to the questions he raises LOL @ alt ahem, alt lol
alt: where is the pedigree chart? on a Forum?
vkn: yes on surnames alt as a pdf Welcome 3rd and howdy we are helping enicholas today Let me give a link to his query
vkn: Howdy free we are helping enicholas today
alt: hello 3rd & free
3rdthawkins: hello alt free and vkn, and Welcome Enicholas, was scrolling back and reading
alt: Looking at the pedigree chart.. are we searching for Edward Nicholas. Sr.?
vkn: Yes alt for his father who is ??? enicholas may be behind a frozen screen I will try and help
3rdthawkins: hello rwatson2617
alt: so the father would have been somewhere around the late 1800's ... do we have a possible location?
enicholas: im still here
vkn: Howdy and welcome rwatson
freeaainnc: Hi Eugene, I'm from Raleigh!
rwatson2617: Hello 3rdthawkins. hi vkn
3rdthawkins: In Missouri enicholas but searching in TX AR and SC
enicholas: im from Roanoke originally but live in the Raleigh area now
vkn: enicholas oh ok are you able to follow the discussion?
enicholas: i think so
rwatson2617: I'm looking for the surnames of Hyler and Airhart in Conway County, Arkansas
vkn: enicholas freeaainnc is in NC
freeaainnc: hi rwatson just told him vkn
vkn: rwatson2617 did you post a query to www.afrigeneas.com/forumc
alt: oh, okay... I see Roanoke, Pittsylvania Co., VA... is that our starting point?
freeaainnc: welcome back rwatson
rwatson2617: yes i did post a query.
vkn: welcome back rwatson. It gets bumpy in here
rwatson2617: yep it is.
vkn: alt I think Roanoke is an Independent City
alt: you were going to tell us what you already have enicholas.. is that what is on your pedigree chart?
enicholas: yep Roanoke City is in Roanoke County, I included Pittsylvania because that was another area I know we had relatives in years ago
freeaainnc: enicholas - have you gone to the state library of NC in Raleigh?
vkn: Rwatson we are trying to focus with enicholas for the moment. We are so glad you are here. I will go and check out your query
rwatson2617: ok. thank you very much
enicholas: was not aware of. I am heading to Roanoke VA next weekend for a high school reunion and plan to do some checking of various sources
alt: have you done any research using census records enicholas?
enicholas: not yet
3rdthawkins: sure vkn
rwatson2617: enicholas, I'd be happy to help you search census records
freeaainnc: enicholas since you are in Cary, I encourage you to come to the State Library downtown Raleigh. I am a genealogy librarian there and we are more than happy to help you.
alt: okay, I see the birth in Feb 1920 with Clara as the mother, right?
enicholas: wow - i certainly will at your convenience
freeaainnc: We have a lot of books on Virginia as well as NC and census microfilm for all states through 1880 and some other states (I think VA) through 1930
vkn: rwatson where are you located ???
rwatson2617: im located in Kansas City, Ks
freeaainnc: and of course take advantage of the wealth of knowledge right here at afrigeneas!
vkn: ahhhhhhh great Black migration rwatson?
enicholas: yes that's right - Clara (my grandmother) told me that his father's last name was Minnow and had moved to Columbus, OH the last she knew
alt: enicholas, have you tried using any online search website such as Ancestry.com?
3rdthawkins: enicholas is this information from your own person records or are there any other records that you have (BC, DC, Marr.??_
rwatson2617: Yes, from South Carolina, to Arkansas, then to Kansas city or Chicago
enicholas: i have but have found that to be more of my filling in the blanks from a combination of both personal and bc's
vkn: rwatson maybe you can do a chat about the migration enicholas dc- death certificate
rwatson2617: I could, what specifically would you like me to talk about
enicholas: ok only have that one for my mother cant find the one for my father
freeaainnc: where was your mother's death certificate located?
enicholas: richmond va
enicholas: i would imagine that most of them would be there
freeaainnc: where did your father die?
vkn: Well send me a telephone number at firstname.lastname@example.org and I will call you to make a plan and a topic in accord with your comfort zone. LOL rwatson
rwatson2617: maybe. I'll have to think about because i have a very busy schedule
enicholas: Everyone on my pdf died in Roanoke with the exception of my father's father which I don't know
alt: enicholas,is Clara the daughter of Gus?
vkn: rwatson only busy people get things done LOL
rwatson2617: yep your right about that.
enicholas: i remember an uncle Gus so maybe her brother she also had a sister Maybelle Bradshaw who also died in Roanoke
alt: I see the family in Roanoke (indep City) in 1930 with Eugene as an 11 y/o
alt: clara was born ca 1906, Marybelle abt 1915 Gus is their father, right? Clara & Marybelle
vkn: Super great, alt. See enicholas I told you help is here. Also alt enicholas said his daughter started the family search at about age 15
enicholas: you are so right thank you so much
vkn: okies 3rd
alt: wonderful, the daughter at it already I can respond with this family as a post on the surname forum to 'get the ball rolling' if you like.
vkn: Sounds like a good idea to moi alt and enicholas
Selma: Good Afternoon, Alt, enicholas, free and vkn
enicholas: is there a chart or template you would reccomend for use
alt: I notice on your pedigree enicholas, that the male/female positions are different that what is usual... the male is usually the top line and female the bottom line.
vkn: Selma we are trying to help enicholas make a search plan
Selma: Great vkn....glad to meet you enicholas
freeaainnc: enicholas if you are ever able to come to the state library (we are open Monday-Saturday), we can also show you how to search the census records yourself if you would like to learn
enicholas: i'm just trying to figure this out thanks for all your help
vkn: Whew thanx alt when I saw that I was confused and thought age had taken hold of my senses lol lol lol
alt: Yes enicholas, there are blank charts on the 'Net... I think the Beginner's Guide on AfriGeneas will direct you to some.
enicholas: thanks i will plan on coming by on Monday if that's ok with you free
freeaainnc: That will be great!
Selma: enicholas is your family from Roanoke, VA
Selma: What are your surnames?
freeaainnc: you can ask for me specifically (Erin) or just have anyone at the reference desk help you and show you around
enicholas: I will ask for you Erin - thanks again
freeaainnc: No problem enicholas and also you never need to schedule ahead of time with us to come, just as long as we are open from 8:30-5 m-f and 9-5 on saturdays
enicholas: ok got it.
Selma: Thanks vee
alt: enicholas, is Edward Eugene Nichols named after an uncle Eugene?
freeaainnc: and if you had come to the library first, I would have directed you here so it all works out
vkn: lol @ free
enicholas: you're right - God orders our steps
freeaainnc: V, that reminds me, you weren't in here when I told alt the other day that I directed a patron here and told her to talk to alt because she is looking for free blacks who came from NC to OH
vkn: lol @ free I love circles they just go round and round and they come out here lol
freeaainnc: v: exactly! LOL
vkn: ahhhhhhh great free
Selma: enicholas...not to be a know it all...but when you do a Pedigree chart, Fathers (males) and Moms (females) go on the bottom..in other words..Edward should bet where Cora is
freeaainnc: her name is Brenda and and I also showed her the message boards, surname registry, etc. hopefully we'll see her soon in here
Selma: Fathers (males) go on TOP
enicholas: thanks i'll get it straight
freeaainnc: she is a school principal though and school is starting there in about 2 weeks so she is overwhelmed with stuff
vkn: I hope so. Also hope you will be ready to begin your NC chat series soon.
freeaainnc: enicholas: when you come to the library, bring everything you have with you, ok?
Selma: Her time will be limited..really quickly free
enicholas: will do.
freeaainnc: lol v, I was just thinking about that. How bout we start the week after labor day? definitely selma so I'm not sure when she will be in here
alt: Yes Selma, that is what we noticed and told him... it is to match the 'numbering scheme' for pedigree charts. males are even numbered 2,4,6, etc. females are 1,3,5, etc to match the previous even number male.
vkn: okies let us make a plan free. will need an assistant or co-host free
Selma: Oh, sorry I missed alt..like I said didn't want to be a know it all... LOL BRB
freeaainnc: v: ok, didn't realize that. Maybe alt?
alt: it was confusing to us when (vkn & me) when we first looked at the chart Selma LOL
vkn: Well Selma when I saw the chart I thought maybe a new application
Selma: Free, I was looking at an Auction catalog.. They have a NC Will......1824, in which a mother 'bequeths my goods and chattesl" to her son and 2 daughters
vkn: Free alt will prolly have his hands full as Resident Expert across all chats so you will need to put him on your chats schedule lol
freeaainnc: wow Selma!
alt: enicholas, is Eugene Clara's younger brother? or her son?
khathu: hello everyone
vkn: Howdy Khathu we are helping enicholas make a search plan VA NC
freeaainnc: lol v! ok. let me know if you have any ideas for who would be a good cohost. I was thinking alt b/c a lot of free blacks in NC migrated to OH which is alts area of expertise and I don't think Paul would be willing to help host the chat
Selma: naming slaves "Neton a woman, Ferry, a boy, Mead a boy, Henry a Boy, Hardy a boy, and Martine a Girl" together with 3 good feather beds, furniture..
alt: okay enicholas, then Gus at 50 is the father, Clara at 24 is his daughter and Eugene at 11 is her son?
freeaainnc: Selma: wow! where was the will written??
vkn: enicholas and all I will post this chat to the logs at about mid afternoon this day
enicholas: sounds good
Selma: Auction price.......150 to $170 dollars
freeaainnc: enicholas before I forget, http://statelibrary.ncdcr.gov/patrons/genealogists.html is the website for the library and genealogy section. gives info on parking and hours, etc. ok?
freeaainnc: Selma: where was it written? no problem
alt: does that sequence sound correct to you enicholas? Gus, Clara, Eugene
enicholas: very plausible
Selma: It doesn't say....not sure if not included in catalog description or no identifying information on the actual document
alt: I found the surname Minnow in McDowell County, WV around this time frame enicholas .. does that ring a bell?
alt: that's @ enicholas
Selma: This is the website for the company..Cohasco,Inc. Yonkers, NY
khathu: gotta run...just wanted to say hello to everyone
alt: Oops, basic question.. these are AA's we're looking for right?
freeaainnc: Selma: interesting! because where ever it was written from, it is most likely stolen property from an archive
Selma: vkn...isn't Upson County GA....where David's research is centered...there are 2 doments from there
vkn: Yes it is Selma
Selma: Ok will send to him
freeaainnc: brb, got to email my archives contact to make him aware of this...
vkn: Wow Selma, David often speaks of missing/stolen documents and records
Selma: It doesn't have to have been stolen...
alt: question for enicholas... to your knowledge, was Clara and Edward Eugene's father (Minnow) married?
enicholas: no - i don't think they ever were
alt: okay thanks
vkn: Ok well I will put the best face on it then Selma The President did say yesterday to not think the worse lol
Selma: LOL...he has a great smile It didn't have to have been stolen free......
freeaainnc: vkn: it happens a lot! the archives here in Raleigh has put in a big surveillance system at the archives b/c of that problem
Selma: Yes, it is an issue at many libraries and archives..all over the country
freeaainnc: if it's an original record, it likely was unless it was something that was passed down through the family yep! there was a library in charlotte 2 years ago that had a bunch of documents stolen
alt: enicholas, do you have anything else on Minnow?
enicholas: not a thing at this time I've got a call in to a cousin
vkn: freeaainnc gotta try and keep genealogists honest they are otherwise nice people but greedy when it comes to records lol
freeaainnc: I sent an email to Chris at the archives just to make him aware of that. It may not have been stolen, but I believe they keep a list of stolen records and could check just to be sure lol v! totally greedy!
Selma: Ah...good thing free
alt: enicholas, you might check to see what birth information is public and available for Roanoke from the 1900's forward.
Selma: Two of the biggest thefts have been folks who "worked at the archives".think big one was in PHilly
enicholas: i'm going to have to leave shortly but wanted to thank everyone for there help. Let me know what i can do for the group.
alt: yw & come back
freeaainnc: I'm not surprised selma!
Selma: Roanoke was an independent city in VA...they have birth and death records for that time frame
enicholas: i will check on that when i go to Roanoke
alt: be sure and keep checking the surname forum too
vkn: Enicholas sure hope you have found your first chat helpful and that you will visit us often
freeaainnc: I can see how it would be tempting to take something when you come across a gold mine document
enicholas: I think so but I think they're all kept in Richmond (capital) how often do you meet
Selma: Hold on enichols I wil tell you
freeaainnc: every weekday at this time (12-1:30ish)
enicholas: that's great
vkn: Bad bad free clear your thoughts lol Da archives police gonna getcha lol
alt: not a VA researcher, but I would think counties & even independent cities would have a register of births for their jurisdictions.
freeaainnc: LOL v!
enicholas: okay - i'll see
Selma: There are microfilm birth records for Roanoke from 1885 to 1896 at LVA LVA is Library of VA
enicholas: thanks will check out too
vkn: Grrrrrrrrrrrrreat session today peeps.
Selma: Yep...good to see everyone........gotta run Have a great day..
vkn: U 2 selma
alt: me too.. laters' y'all
vkn: okies alt
enicholas: Thank you all again - I'll be back
freeaainnc: I need to get going too! hope to see you at the library enicholas
vkn: okies enicholas bye free
freeaainnc: and be sure to bring your research with you
enicholas: you will definitely and will do
freeaainnc: bye v think about a cohost for my chat b/c I'm stumped
enicholas: Plan on coming Monday around 9:30
freeaainnc: ok, great enicholas! see you soon!
vkn: okies free
freeaainnc: sounds great!
enicholas: will do
freeaainnc: one thing enicholas, I just want to let you know I am deaf so you will need to write down your questions, etc. for me, ok?
vkn: sign out by clicking on the far right icon enicholas
enicholas: no problem
freeaainnc: ok, great and see you later!
enicholas: thanks i was looking for it