2013-02-07 • Stewart Gist OH FPOC
Daviss: Good afternoon vicjorob!
karoshi8: Good afternoon everyone!
Daviss: hello there karoshi8
vicjorob: Afternoon everyone
Daviss: How's everyone doing?
karoshi8: Good and you Daviss?
Daviss: doing good for a change
vicjorob: @Daviss - remember last week when I said I may be related to the daughter in law of my best genealogy buddy?
Daviss: yes well did it all come to light?
vicjorob: @Daviss - well I was so busy trying to connect my Stewarts with hers, I didn't realize that the Stewart was along her paternal line. Our DNA connection is via mitochondrial DNA, which would be my Hughes. But it gets better. She is a descendent of Madison Hemings via matrilineal descent and turns out that Madison's wife was a Hughes!
karoshi8: Where are you're Stewarts from vicjorob? Gallia County?
vicjorob: And my Hughes was a slave of George Washington's cousins so now I am working on a game plan for how to approach connecting the dots.
Daviss: how did you figure that out vicjorob
vicjorob: karoshi8 - YES!!!!
karoshi8: Lol! My last name is Stewart. I see those Stewart's a lot though. Mine come out of Kentucky then up to Ohio. So I don't think those connect to mine. But I know what line you are talking about.
vicjorob: @Daviss - THe DNA match has her tree on Ancestry. As to the GW side, that goes back to researching the woman who owned my 3g grandmother. That woman was married at Mount Vernon and called by GW as his little red-haired pet.
karoshi8: But since it's Gallia, I'm sure we're related through someone. lol
Daviss: thats wonderful news vicjorob!
karoshi8: Good afternoon alt!
alt: Hello folks... Daviss, karoshi8 & vicjorob
Daviss: hello alt!
vicjorob: @karoshi8 - Really. Tell me more. I have the name of my 2g grandmother Susan Stewart who married Washington Goss and then likely James Mason. Her son was Bernard Goss. Hi alt! If Susan was the one who married James Mason, then her father's name is Alexander Stewart and her mother was a Liggens.
karoshi8: Liggens is a native american name.
vicjorob: @karoshi8 - where in Ohio did your Stewarts go?
karoshi8: If I remember right Alexander Stewart was a conductor on the underground railroad.
vicjorob: @karoshi8 - my! You are a fountain of knowledge!
alt: karoshi8, on your Winburn's .. do you know a Debra Smith McIntosh?
Daviss: divine coming in to chat at the same time lol
karoshi8: My Stewart's went from Lincoln KY to Ross county, KY. I have a strong feeling that they are native american too. But I can't find any proof. Though they did intermarry with other native americans in KY. No alt, I don't. Should I?
alt: she has some Winburn genealogy on her Tribal Pages website.al
vicjorob: @karoshi8 - sounds like your folks might be Eastern Band Cherokee
karoshi8: Right now I'm trying to connect everyone to a tribe of some sort. Because the people move in groups with the same people and it has to be more of a connection. I know some are from the Saponi tribe, but it seems deeper than that.
alt: http://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=debramcintosh1&view=9&ver=37085 and check out "W" for Winburn, might be some connections there for you.
karoshi8: alt, my thing won't let me click it do you know if I can look it up another way?
vicjorob: @alt - I really need to populate my Tribal Pages
alt: google debra smith mcintosh & her TP website should come up karoshi8
karoshi8: Thanks! alt, I had a question. What does being taxable mean?
alt: vicjorob, the TP sites are becoming 'popular' & yes keep your site updated as much as possible.... I'm getting many hits & questions.
karoshi8: Oh yes alt, I did contact her. Her Winburns are the Indiana ones.
HistoryBuff: Hey everyone!
karoshi8: Good afternoon HistoryBuff!
vicjorob: alt - did you upload your data via gedcom or another format?
alt: okay karoshi8
vicjorob: @karoshi8 - what type and year of document?
Daviss: Do you have any Ware's or Tolberts in your KY/Indiana line karoshi8?
alt: vicjorob .. I uploaded a GEDCOM of my entire database for the genie 'stuff' and then added photos in albums and added stories.
karoshi8: Not that I know of Daviss. Let me check though.
vicjorob: @Daviss - Tolberts? I sorta kinda have an Eli Tolbert who was freed in 1845 from Loudoun County and then settled in Floyd County IN
Daviss: Tolbert may also be Tolliver
vicjorob: alt - thanks.
karoshi8: Not that I see Daviss.
vicjorob: karoshi8 - where can I find info about the UGRR Alexander Stewart?
Daviss: ok thanks
alt: Taxable .... property & person's (slaves) for example in the early tax records
karoshi8: alt, you have Alexander Stewart on your tribal pages don't you? vicjorob was he born in 1840?
alt: I have an Alexander who was the father of a Sarah Stewart .. Ross co., Oh folks
karoshi8: Oh. Give me a sec vicjorob. I'll find it.
alt: this Alexander married a lady named Lucinda
karoshi8: Good afternoon Selma.
alt: Hello Selma
vicjorob: karoshi8 - don't know. Bernard was born in 1876, Susan, his mother, was born about 1856. I assume Alexander, her father would have been born before 1840.
HistoryBuff: Hey Selma
Daviss: hi there Selma!!
vicjorob: Hi Selma
Selma: Good Thursday afternoon alt, daviss, historybuff, koroshi and vicjorob
Khathu: Hello everyone
vicjorob: alt - I am going to have to reread your TP pages because I entirely missed this. Thanks
Daviss: hi Khathu!
HistoryBuff: Are you near Virginia Beach, Selma?
Selma: About an hour away historybuff
alt: I was just looking at Gallia Co., OH in the 1850 & 1860 census.... nice sized population of FPOC in the neighborhood of between 500-700 AA's in those years.
Selma: Afternoon Khathu
HistoryBuff: Hi Khathu
karoshi8: I need vkn to get on here!
Selma: If you mean..by the water historybuff
alt: Hello Khathu
karoshi8: I just conjured vkn up!!
Daviss: ah ha you are good karoshi lol
Selma: Afternoon vkn
alt: hello vkn,,, saved a seat for ya LOL LOL
vkn: howdy all all seats are taken lol
Daviss: hi vkn!
karoshi8: vkn I need you!!! You just posted about Delta Sigma Theta this morning.
Khathu: hello vkn
vkn: okies karen i be here
vicjorob: alt - I know. Would be a gold mine but haven't found my folks there. I think they came later.
karoshi8: I think Dorothy Penman Harrison is in my tree.
vicjorob: welcome vkn
alt: okay vicjorob,
HistoryBuff: Selma, I'll be in Virginia Beach for a conference March 22-24.
vkn: karoshia just put on specs and see you not Karen
Selma: Great historybuff
karoshi8: No harm no foul vkn
HistoryBuff: Hey Vkn
vkn: Daviss HistoryBuff Alt Khathu Selma Vicjorob Karoshia8 ALL happy Day
Daviss: thanks vkn
vicjorob: karoshi8 - just wondering if you have ever heard of Fortune Stewart, born about 1808. Some of his descendants think he was born in Cuba or some Caribbean Isle, but some recores indicate VA.
karoshi8: Yes, I've seen the name. I think Fortune in is my tree too.
alt: BTW Daviss.... you 'sound' like you're feeling much better..... glad to see ya back to your 'old' self LOL
vicjorob: They say his wife Rebecca Payne birthed 18 kids over 30 years!
Daviss: yes alt much better thanks
vicjorob: karoshi8 - Great. If I find him I will connect some folks to you who also research him.
karoshi8: vicjorob, I have an Agnes Stewart who married Charles Norman.
vkn: Thanx for saving a seat alt. I tried the Probate thing at FamSearch. Only 39 files at Alabama so far. Lots at NC. Will keep looking
alt: Happy hunting vkn..
vicjorob: vkn - what probate records are those?
alt: Are you Stewart researchers also looking at Stuart & Steward as possible spellings?
vkn: Wet and rainy in Atlanta. Alt found his DICKENS in NC records vicjorob at Family Search
karoshi8: Yes alt.
vicjorob: alt - I've not been averse to Steward but can't say the Stuart variation has popped up Congrats alt!
alt: okay karoshi8 & vicjorob .. cause I'm seeing those spelling in Ross Co., OH and I'm sure those families connect.... also be aware of SEWARD connecting to those families.
karoshi8: Yes, I have several Sewards.
vicjorob: Thanks alt
HistoryBuff: Good job Alt
vkn: lol spelling does count and in so many ways lol
karoshi8: vkn, can you tell me what you know about Dorothy Penman Harrison?
alt: For folks researching FPOC in Ohio and if they were there prior to 1850 you have possible connections to so many families particularly if in Gallia, Ross and those other counties in SE Ohio where there 'sizeable' AA communities
vicjorob: GOt to go. GOtta pull a few things together for a 1 pm meeting. Have fun.
alt: you too vicjorob
karoshi8: Was it because it was so close to the river that they went there alt? Bye vicjorob
Daviss: later vicjorob
HistoryBuff: Interesting Alt. Thnx.
alt: Well, I think the migration pattern from the upper south (VA/MD/NC) was into southern Ohio and then north & west withing Ohio karoshi8
karoshi8: Ok. It is interesting stuff.
Daviss: here is a 2010 article karoshi8 http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-12-27/features/ct-met-harrison-obit-1228-20101227_1_educator-and-advocate-delta-sigma-theta-public-service
karoshi8: Thanks Daviss.
alt: remember the southern States were trying to get rid of their FPOC and OH, IN, MI were the 'promised land' in the early 1800's for those newly freed Blacks.
Selma: Ohio was a free state, but it didn't stop it from being anti-black
karoshi8: Very true Selma.
Selma: Large numbers of FB's from VA go to Ohio..VA was pushing them out
vkn: we must remember that selma
alt: that's for sure Selma.... no doubt about that
karoshi8: Going home to SE Ohio still scares me from time to time.
Selma: They were seen as a threat in many communities in VA ..as their numbers grew
alt: and the Northern state didn't want an influx of Blacks.. that could compete for land & job opportunities
Selma: Was it GIST alt..who emancipated his slaves and took them to Ohio..can't think of the name of the book
alt: there were 4 Gist settlement's in Ohio Selma...
Selma: Ok..really interesting book, can't think of the name
karoshi8: Which ones alt?
alt: Samuel Gist supposedly freed nearly 1,000 of his slaves
karoshi8: I know of Lambert Lands, Poke Patch, and Payne's Crossing.
Daviss: Do you know any Gist alt? my sisters God Parents were Ted and Vickie Gist
vkn: not to my knowledge karoshi8 im screen is frozen
alt: not sure any of those were Gist settlements karoshi8 .. his slave settled mostly in Brown & Clermont counties.
karoshi8: Ok. Thanks vkn. I'm trying to connect her to my Penman's
vkn: in Alabama karoshi8
alt: I don't know any Gist's by name Daviss, but I know many of the descendant families by other surnames
karoshi8: No, in Kentucky.
Daviss: ok alt
karoshi8: I've been tracing her line and it seems they could only be related to my Penman's. Because my Penman's are the only one's in Garrard County, KY and that is where her great great grandfather says he was born.
vkn: In KY knowledge is limited to BENHAM PATTERSON LYLE and BELL
Daviss: Gotta run folks take care and hopefully will see you tonight on BlogRadio
alt: bye Daviss
karoshi8: Ok, I was just wondering cause you posted about Delta Sigma Theta. And she was a former president. Bye Daviss
vkn: ahhhhhhhhh I see. I am a Delta Dear which means in part that my memory fails to remember much of what I knew. lol I do see that Young was a founder from Ohio Alt
alt: okay Delta Dear LOL LOL
karoshi8: Dorothy was from Portsmouth, Ohio, but her 2nd great grandfather was from Garrard County, KY. Have a good afternoon guys. I'm going to try to suss out this Penman tree. Wish me luck!
alt: okay karoshi8, good luck
alt: I think I might have a BIG surprise to share with y'all in a couple of weeks ... genealogy-wise.... keep your fingers crossed for me
Selma: Fingers and toes crossed
vkn: y'all be good and fingers be crossed for ya alt
alt: don't hurt yourself Selma.. watch out crossing your toes LOL
vkn: lol lol lol
Selma: Time for me to run too..have a great day Hopefully I can stay awake tonight
alt: looks like it skedaddle time bye ya'll
HistoryBuff: Finally loaded up A RootsMagic 6 You 2
alt: wonderful HistoryBuff, I'm sure you will like it
HistoryBuff: Thanx You. 2
alt: I'm not an expert, but don't hesitate to ask if you think I can help you with RM6 bye
HistoryBuff: okies alt
karoshi8: Hello Seventies. I'm just popping back in.
Seventies: Hi karoshi OK I was just popping in to see if Chat was still going...
karoshi8: Had a quick question. If someone was a blacksmith they probably had to be apprenticed right?
Seventies: Depends on the year and timeframe.
Seventies: yes, but not necessarily a documented apprenticeship.
karoshi8: Ok. Trying to figure out some things.
Seventies: ok I hear you.
karoshi8: Thanks! Have a good afternoon!