3rdthawkins: hello alt
alt: Hi 3rdthawkins, just the two of us again
khathu: hello 3rd and alt
3rdthawkins: plus one now.....hello Khathu
alt: Here's Khathu... helo
3rdthawkins: how's it hanging? hello Selma
Selma: Good afternoon 3rd, alt, khathu
khathu: Hello Selma
alt: hello Selma.. just you and the fella's LOL
Selma: Looks like it.. LOL Actually me and My AIR CONDITIONER it is 110 degrees in the shade here..
alt: just looked at the schedule for the 'Midwest Roots' conference in Indy on the 6-7 Aug.... some great speakers.
Selma: I will have to think about coming one year alt...
alt: Shamele Jordon is giving 3 presentations http://tinyurl.com/2cx4vq7 link to their webpage.
Selma: interesting article in today's Washington Post khathu..of "possibility" of first school for AA found on campus of W & M in Williamsburg http://tinyurl.com/2a9tgzu
khathu: thanks Selma
Selma: I'll wait till I see some more documentation
alt: when was it 'started' Selma .. like in the late 1700's or earlier?
Selma: circa 1760
alt: ah so, just clicked on the link
khathu: i just discovered that one of the descendants of the slave holding families is the executive secretary of the IL State genealogical Society an she just asked me to write an article for their publication
Selma: Great khathu
alt: wonderful khathu, you're getting some great offers.
Selma: Khathu...maybe next year or sooner you will be giving 3 presentations some where.. LOL
khathu: i was interviewed yesterday about the Edmondson Sisters statue by the Alexandria Gazette
alt: and you're bringing a 'different' perspective to some of those slaveholding descendants..... I'd bet on it LOL
khathu: the reporter saw my blog post about the statue and decided to contact me
alt: wonderful again
khathu: i shared the article with them yesterday
Selma: Lets hope you don't get so famous..you forget us "lowly" folks in the chat
alt: or we'll come after ya LOL LOL
Selma: and talk about you BAD
khathu: i never forget my roots.... if i get that famous i will sponsor a live chat
alt: think you can get Selma to open up... she stays pretty close-mouthed at times.
Selma: and what pray tell does that mean.. LOL
alt: you're not a BIG MOUTH like me.
Selma: I try not to say things in the chat and email..cause it lives FOREVER and ever..I just scream at my computer, or on the phone.. LOL
alt: good policy, wish I could folow it
Selma: The Contraband series in the VA Pilot is very good..I hope folks are reading (like you alt)
alt: Khathu, I'm getting quite a few 'hits' from white folks about my TP site.... some very interesting comments & questions
Selma: Like are you all related.. LOL
alt: the folks commenting? not so far Selma LOL
Selma: Oh good afternoon Our Fearless Leader
vkn: Greetings this day to all
alt: here comes Da lady hello vkn
3rdthawkins: hello vkn
vkn: Howwwww Dee A scorcher here today
alt: I have been contacted by some 'new to me' AA cousins tho Selma
vkn: Warning oldesters to remain in the chilled air Congrats alt
alt: and I'm doing just that too vkn LOL
3rdthawkins: Yes, you oldesterssss
vkn: Was the connections via facebook alt
alt: your turn is coming 3rdthawkins
3rdthawkins: yeah, but that's 20 years from now, until then I'll Burn in the Hot Sun
alt: no vkn, they had somwhow 'found' the TP website and saw that we had connections.
vkn: ahhhhhh so
3rdthawkins: hello vicky
alt: hello vicky
vicky: hello 3rd, alt,khathu and vkn!
Selma: Afternoon vicky
vicky: I see Selma is on the tele
vkn: and to you too vicky
vicky: ahhh hi Selma!
Selma: and who are these "new cousins" alt? Oh just saw your answer to vicky
vicky: I have been online for about 30 minutes waiting for chat lol. I started mt'g and looked up and I was late coming in lol
vkn: Alt is that across all generations or more specific?
alt: One young lady , a Valerie Wicker, lives in Spain and she is located about 30 miles from where the LaForce family was located in France... matter of fact Josephine Baker's castle was a LaForces castle in the 1700's.
3rdthawkins: I do that sometimes too vicky, the time difference will get you
Selma: Interesting alt...
alt: across generations vkn, Valerie is the granddaughter of some folks I know here in the Miami Valley.
vkn: I see
Selma: Its a small world isn't it alt
alt: it sure is Selma
vicky: vkn do you have any Spelman connections
vkn: Yes Yes why what are you needing
3rdthawkins: hello AYWalton
vicky: I am looking for a picture of a lady that taught there in the 40's by the name of Elizabeth Perry Cannon
Selma: Afternoon AY
vicky: I found some articles and saw that she had written a book called Country Life Stories
vkn: Vicky how does she relate to you?
AYWalton: where did she live, vicky?
vicky: she is deceased now but lived in Atlanta
AYWalton: when did she pass?
vkn: Vicky I will explore to see if photo is possible what is her death/burial date
AYWalton: where did she teach, vicky?
Selma: Was the book about her life growing up in the country vicky
alt: could she be in the SSDI vicky? a possible birth & death date to get you started.
vicky: In 1944 or 5 I think. She died in Prairie View Tx visiting her relative W R Banks
AYWalton: where did she teach?
vkn: Del Jupiter, a grad of Spelman lives in the same complex that I do. She has Everything Spelman
alt: here she is on google
vicky: I have the newspaper announcement of her death but she was bought back to Atlanta she may have been her teacher vkn I cant find her atlanta announcement Thanks much vkn!
3rdthawkins: I clicked on the link "Images" to find photos of her, but they show a lot of other photos, especially Tyler PERRY and Nick CANNON
alt: from the google page she sounds like an early day Virginia Hamilton.
3rdthawkins: Perhaps if you keep browsing, you may find something
Selma: No luck with obit in black newspaper
vicky: The book is on Able for 150 dollars I think. I may see if anyone has it interlibrary
AYWalton: what is the book title vicky?
vicky: Country Life Stories
alt: what is 'Open Library"?
vicky: no idea what that means alt
3rdthawkins: check this out this might be a passages from her book http://www.jstor.org/pss/271175
alt: click on that link vicky and there is a list of Libraries that have copies... perhaps there is one that has 'lending library' options
vicky: thx will do
3rdthawkins: Looks like it's her "Country" Life she's telling
vicky: that wlil be my next step alt the lending library
alt: click on the 'borrow' icon
Selma: AY..did you get the Bushyhead pension file?
AYWalton: yes, I got it, Selma!
vkn: Daniel Schorr died this morning was 93
AYWalton: after a dramatic day getting home---Pennsylvania Avenue was shut down for a few hours. (Suspicious package was left in the area.) so I will be pouring through it later today, Selma.
vicky: oh my AYWalton
AYWalton: He served in the 3rd Indian Home Guards and died in Kansas. He also had an alias---Charles Walker.
AYWalton: I could not even cross the street to get to the metro. Had to walk several blocks (in that heat!) to get on a metro to Union Station.
Selma: Wow..I know that was a pain
AYWalton: it was, indeed! but the file looks interesting, and I will be going through it, later today. he was, as I thought a Cherokee Freedman.
Selma: Did he enlist under the name Charles WAlker?
AYWalton: yes, enlisted as Charles Walker, but the pension file clearly indicated both names---Buck Bushyhead aka Charles Walker. some pages said Charley. he died before the Dawes enrollment, though. He died in 1877.
Selma: Was Walker the last slave owner's name?
AYWalton: Oh I doubt it. More than likely one of Chief Bushyhead's slaves.
AYWalton: that is a common Cherokee name.
alt: he died in 1877 and had a pesnion file?
AYWalton: like of like Adair, Ross, Downing, Watie, all Cherokee names. his widow filed. not the soldier himself.
Selma: and what was her name when she filed
AYWalton: that is also interesting. After his death, she remarried in 1882. She was known as Sally Miller. then Mr. Miller died and then she filed for a widow's pension on Bushyhead's service, since she was no longer married.
alt: ah so, I was wondering... I had a CW ancestor who died in 1877 and there is only a service record... his wife preceded him in death ... 1874.... so there was no one to file for a pension.
AYWalton: so she was now Sally Miller---the widow of Buck Bushyhead.
Selma: I am trying to figure out what happens when the enlist..
AYWalton: no children to apply---or to even know that they could have applied. what do you mean, Selma?
alt: could children ... apply for a pension?
vicky: AYWalton, how much are the copies
Selma: For many the names they use when they enlist is not the names they use in later life...
AYWalton: paper to paper copies are 25cents per page. Microfilm copies are 50 cents per page. With your digital camera---all images are free. and if you don't have a digital camera---they will lend you one and they will put them onto a CD for you for free!
Selma: I know many of the reasons..but I was wondering if the folks who enlisted them...arbitrarily put down names of last owners..as opposed to how they identified themselves
AYWalton: (But this is not widely known and never mentioned.)
vicky: wow thats nice
alt: get outa here!!!!! is that right?
AYWalton: it varied, Selma. yes, alt. They don't tell you and they have been doing this for 4 years. Selma one of the soldiers that Tonia and I have documented in NW Arkansas joined the USCTs. The name he used was Randall Maxey. But he enlisted as Randall Chatman. In his file, he pointed out that when he enlisted he was encouraged to use his father's name and not the slave owner's name. his father was a Chatman, and that is how he was officially enlisted. I had never seen that before.
Selma: Ok...I have one who enlisted and used Owner's last name, but when reunited with family they all took surname of a former owner
alt: what's the difference and does one carry more "official' weight than the other.... Affidavit vs Disposition ?
AYWalton: but again----the issue Selma---is that they were not necessarily using the name of an "owner" they were using a name affiliated with their FAMILY. Like my Arkansas BASS line.
Selma: I should say "his" last owner, family had been sold to various owners
AYWalton: they used the name BASS, but the last slave owner was Pride. But the loved ones left behind were identified as BASS adn that was the name that my gr grandfather used till he died. He had no emotional ties to Henry Pride. His family and loved ones were BASS. he never saw most of them ever again, but he embraced that they were BASS---that connected him to his own father and mother and siblings. (This was uncle Sephu's brother.) wassup in your world, khathu? have you submitted anything for AAHGS yet? khathu must be multi-tasking.
alt: Midwestern Roots conference.. here is their Speaker's list http://tinyurl.com/27un9du
Selma: Last week I talked about the new book on Sumner High School (kansas city) ..that was just published. They sold over 500 at the alumni reunion last week
AYWalton: wow! that's great!!
vicky: Is that were you went Selma!
AYWalton: something to think about for other alumni events.
Selma: Oh no I didn't go...a friend was one of the authors..it is very nice.. http://www.thesumnerstory2010.com/
vicky: hmmm interesting.
Selma: Is that where your former mother in law went vicky
AYWalton: that is amazing!
Selma: They did a wonderful job
vicky: dont know but now you have me curious.. Her last name was Lomax
Selma: It was the only black high school in Kansas City, Kansas from 1904 1905-1978
alt: yes, great job... those outstanding HS's in the segregated south really need to be written about and acknowledged for the development of AA greats prior to desegregation.
vicky: then it may be possible Selma
alt: and in the North as well
vicky: hello ryan
Selma: I was about to say alt...Kansas ain't the south.. LOL Afternoon ryan
ryan: hi vickey, selma, AY, vkn, alt, khat
Selma: But I am sure the atmosphere was probably was quite similar
ryan: hope all is well
alt: but there schools were segregated Selma.. isn't Topeka in KS? Brown vs Borad of Education.
AYWalton: have to run folks! have a great afternoon.
Selma: I gotta run to folks..have a great day
vicky: k lol
ryan: well, I was just stopping in catch yall tomorrow