2013-01-15 • More on DNA
alt: hey folks.. Khathu & Seventies
Khathu: hello alt
alt: How are you doing in following up on the Dorsey Will Khathu ..... Do you have any further proceedings?
Khathu: No further proceedings at this point. Currently looking at court minutes
alt: well, you know it was executed, or at least portions, from the land & tax records of his male descendant children. Hello Daviss
Khathu: Hello Daviss
Daviss: hello alt and khathu!
alt: A cosuin went to NC and obtained a copy of the 'full' Will of the Dickens guy that I reference in the abstract of his Will in my TP story.... waiting for her to send me a copy.
Daviss: I think I remember you saying you had a cousin going to NC alt but cant remember the details Is this another one of your lines?
alt: yeah Davis, she relocated from Minn-St. Paul to Boston and I've been giving her a chance to get settled in before I start 'buggin' her for a copy of what she got. LOL
alt: yep, this is one of my paternal lines. darn Seventies is taking a long coffe break LOL
Khathu: lol....she is eating her lunch
Daviss: lol mabe she had to go get the beans a
alt: anthing new on the AncestryDNA front DAviss?
Daviss: nothing new alt, no new gains at all
alt: I'm now over 700 cousin matches with them Daviss, still can't find Gerald wilson among them.
Daviss: I see a few Forum msgs when I came in asking about 23&me Well, It could be that adoption thing alt
alt: you have Mr. Wislon as one of your AncestryDNA matches, right Daviss? Wilson
Daviss: yes, remember I told you about him he is in my lowest range as all my AA's lol
alt: yep, I remember.. could you look at his 'tree names' and send me some of the surnames he match with? and their locations if possible.
Daviss: sure, I will
Khathu: I am thinking of purchasing a DNA for my grandmother's bday
Daviss: what caught my eye was the initial name and place he had listed alt
alt: I found out why I couldn't see the list of names on the trees..... I have 2 account names with Ancestry and I was looking at the matches under the wrong account name... when I changed names the tree listings opened up for me..... DUH!!!!
Khathu: She is interested in the AdMixture
Daviss: well one of the names at least
Khathu: do you have any recommendations for a company
Seventies: I have returned! lol Hi alt, Khathu and Daviss!
alt: that would be a wonderful gift Khathu
Daviss: hello Seventies
Seventies: How are you all doing this afternoon/morning??
Khathu: Hello Selma
alt: since you have the Dorsey/D'Arcy thing on your paternal lines in would recommend FTDNA for your Y-DNA and their Family Finder feature Khathu .. and at least the 37 marker Y-DNA test. Hello Selma
Daviss: me, I am well Seventies thanks
Seventies: Hi Selma. good Daviss.
Selma: Good afternoon alt, daviss, khathu and seventies
Daviss: hello there Selma I thought he said grandmother alt
Khathu: I did say grandmother
alt: oh, okay Khathu ..... then you want mtDNA & admixture (autosomal) for her.... African Ancestry doesn't do admixture, so I would go with either 23andme or FTDNA for her.
Daviss: 23 has the $99 dollar deal now
Khathu: That's what I am talking about Daviss
alt: if you aren't interested in the "health' aspect of DNA then I would go for FTDNA.
Khathu: thanks alt and Daviss
alt: and if money is the primary consideration I would jump on the 23andme 99.00 deal LOL LOL
Daviss: you dont have to do the health thing with 23 if you dont want to with this new deal
Seventies: lol for most people it will be.
Daviss: At least thats what I am hearing alt
HistoryBuff: Hey all
Seventies: Hey HistoryBuff
Daviss: Khathu the FTDNA family Finder is $289 hello HistoryBuff
Seventies: and what exactly do you get for all of that?
alt: true Daviss on the non-health aspect of 23andme..... my thing towards FTDNA is the possibility of follow-up testing on the original sample, if desired..... 23andme has no follow-up ordeeper testing processes.
Seventies: I'm on my lunch hour and my co-worker is steady talking to me, as if I'm even listening... smh
vicjorob: Hello all!
Seventies: hi vicjorob! Welcome back!
Daviss: heyyyyy vicjorob
Selma: Hope they can't read your screen seventies
Seventies: who cares.
Selma: Afternoon vicjorob So much for work place harmony
alt: Khathu, I suggest you go to the Home Page for both and read their 'propoganda' LOL LOL
Seventies: She sure breaks her neck trying to... instead of working.
Daviss: I just yesterday entered my brothers y to y-search Khathu tested with 23 already
Seventies: How is your research coming along vicjorob?
HistoryBuff: Hey vic
alt: Hello vicjorob
vicjorob: Talk about serendipity! I was thinking about DNA testing matches and decided to use my lunch hour to check in with ya'll. And you guys are talking about the very thing.
Daviss: I need to enter the X hubby and one other cousin
Khathu: Yes, I did already test with 23andMe
vicjorob: @70s - my research has been eehh until yesterday
Seventies: wow. so who did you have tested and which company did you go with vicjorob? lol eeehhh, huh?
alt: may I ask your haplogroups Khathu? .... Y & mtDNA
Daviss: khathu have you been in yet and checked the new setup
vicjorob: I did mtDNA with both FTDNA and 23, and paid to transfer my autosomal over to FTDNA. Still awaiting the FamilyFInder results. FTDNA reran their mtDNA matches and I have exactly one match.
Daviss: yet meaning lately
alt: Hello deannie
Seventies: okay well best of luck in your results.
deannie: Hi everyone....late as always...but that better than not at all
Daviss: vicjorob when are your transfer results do in hi deannie due in
vicjorob: I am L3e4 with a Stewart from VA. This woman is the same and she turns out to be a relative of the daughter in law of my genealogy buddy with whom I have been volunteering nearly every Sat for more thant 16 years.
HistoryBuff: Hey Deannie
Khathu: My maternal line is L3e2b
alt: WOW vicjorob
Daviss: thats something vicjorob
Khathu: paternal line is E1b1a7a
vicjorob: @Daviss - I transferred the data on Aug 16 but due to the switch to Build 37, it has been five months instead of the two weeks they advertise.
Daviss: 8a for my brothers Khathu
alt: okay thanks Khathu ...... I'm I1d1 Y-DNA & H3 mtDNA
Daviss: my scheduled date is Feb
Seventies: E1b1a covers almost all African-American men, right?
vicjorob: @alt - the funny thing is that I have been helping my friend research her daughter in law's Stewart line. Talk about a Gibbs head slap.
Seventies: what group is the 7a?
Khathu: Technically E1b1a is the most common amongst AA men
Selma: Where is this Stewart line from in VA vicjorob?
alt: Do these Stewart's have NC and/or Ohio links vicjorob?
vicjorob: @Seventies - my father is E1b1a and it at least solved a problem -- my paternal GGrandfather is a mystery. All the other 2g grandparents had white fathers. It would appear that not so with this man. @Selma @alt - My Susan Stewart was alkegedly the daughter of Alexander Stewart and a Liggens woman (according to her M2 certificate). She lived most of her life in Gallipolis OH and some time in Denver.
alt: yeah that would creat a mystery vicjorob
Khathu: alright talk to you later
vicjorob: Fortune Stewart was from VA but lived in what became Grant Co WV
Selma: Ok..my husband's Stewart line is out of Campbell County
vicjorob: Fortune was married to Rebecca Payne/Paine. He is alleged to have come from the Caribbean.
Seventies: My grandfather's y-dna haplogroup is E1b1a8a and his y-dna african ancestry came back to the NUNA
deannie: what the name of the lady that writes genealogy book with the last name of Palmer
vicjorob: @Selma - where is Campbell County?
Seventies: Dee Woodtor-Palmer
vicjorob: @deannie - Dee passed several years ago.
alt: I have collateral Liggens from VA and then SE Ohio, up thru Gallipolis, Fayette, Greene & Champaign Counties vicjorob
deannie: ok thanks
Selma: Lynchburg, Amherst, Nelson County area
Seventies: She wrote a guide here deannie.
vicjorob: @alt - oh, we have to talk! @Selma - haven't done any research there yet.
deannie: Her name was one of the first that I know when I first started genealogy.. I just could not remember her first name..
alt: okay vicjorob LOL LOL
Selma: Her name is Dee Parmer Woodtor
Seventies: oops my bad... sorry about the mis-info
Daviss: If you want her book deannie, its listed here on the AfriGeneas store
vicjorob: @Selma - I still have her prepublished version of her book that she was selling at an early AAGHS conference
Selma: I think I do too vicjorob...She was a speaker at our Spring Seminar one year
vicjorob: @alt - I will check out your blog/genealogy website. I know I had been there before but armed with new data, here's hoping.
alt: okay vicjorob, the Liggens connections are noted on the TP website.
vicjorob: @alt TP?
Seventies: Okay, all. I need to run. Have a good day!!!
alt: Tribal Pages ..... http://mydatabase.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=mydatabase&view=9&ver=2363
deannie: While I have run also....have a great day
Daviss: bye deannie
Daviss: wb vicjojob
vicjorob: TP, duhh. Where is my brain?
Daviss: lol lol
alt: a Gibbs slap vicjorob LOL LOL LOL
vicjorob: @alt - true!
HistoryBuff: Oops !
Daviss: Selma were the Ligon's huge slave owners in VA? I see so many AA's in Texas with that name
Selma: I haven't studied them Daviss...but I have seen the name
alt: Daviss & y'all a guy won 36,000 at the casino in Columbus, Ohio .. the fool took his money in cash and was robbed on the way home from the casino ... bummer, huh?
Daviss: shessh, he should have not done that alt..
Selma: Somebody was obviously watching
Daviss: they sure do Selma
alt: yep Selma... he won it at the Blackjack table and there are usually folks hanging around those tables watching and this was on a Saturday night when the place is usually packed
Daviss: I would have taken a check...they count the money in your hand if you take the cash here
Selma: He should have known better
alt: yep Davis, that's what happened.. they saw him get all of the Benejamin's LOL LOL
vicjorob: It was a pleasure chatting with you all again. Gotta head to a meeting. Take care! Stay warm or cold depending upon your personal weather.
alt: okay vicjorob , you take care too
Daviss: later vicjorob
alt: may I bore y'all with a DNA question?
HistoryBuff: Next time vicjorob
Daviss: lol go ahead alt
HistoryBuff: Sure alt
alt: when folks say they have matches from country xyz.... do they mean the matches are from folks currently living in country xyz at this moment, or hundreds of years ago?
Selma: Most folks have no idea alt
Daviss: I would assume hundreds
HistoryBuff: I would think that refers to current residence.
Daviss: doesnt Kittles test current folks
alt: I agree Selma.... If I say a new cousin is from Chad, Zimbabwe, or some of those countries in Africa... they didin't exit 50-75 years agao
Selma: They all do Daviss.
Daviss: yes but doesnt he actuall test those in africa for his database
Selma: Yes he does..
Daviss: or do they all have testing facilities in all these countries
alt: Yes, many of his 'base line" samples are from folks currently living in Africa Daviss
Selma: and so he is getting samples of current folks and their locations now..but does not necessarily mean thats where these groups were 500 years ago
alt: as are the samples by other testing companies.
alt: exactly Selma, that's what I mean
Selma: But that is for white folk too
alt: like us here in America... we say we and our ancestors are from Ohio, but they came from VA, NC, Ky and other places here AFTER their ancestors arrived from Africa. oh sure it is Selma... white folks too.
Selma: Sorry folks..have to run
alt: and if I have 64 -128- 256 ancestors going back several generations, they ALL can't be from the same place.
Daviss: I would agree alt
alt: okay, thanks question asked & I've properly vented .. so off the soapbox LOL
Daviss: they travelled all over I am satisfied with 23
HistoryBuff: I'm still waiting.
alt: oh, I'm satisfied with all of my testing Daviss... I just get so upset with the commentary form many of those whos speak of their ancestry with so much certainty & authority
alt: and they know very little,iif anything about genetica and heredity, let alone genealogy.
Daviss: you mean the percentages alt
alt: not the %'s so much Daviss, but the specificity of locations for the ancestral "homeland'.
Daviss: isn't that what they cull out oh ok I see
alt: like, I know I'm from Camaroon, but I don't know if my people are from GA, MS, AL, TX, or etc.
Daviss: guess i will head out now take care...
alt: you too bye y'all