2013-01-09 • When birth dad is White
Seventies: Good afternoon Daviss.
Daviss: Good morning Seventies :?
Seventies: How are you? And can you pour me a cup of whatever you're drinking this moring? lol
Daviss: yes, I do have more than a few cups of java in the pot
Seventies: I need it.. ugh
Daviss: How are you?
Seventies: I'm fine, but just a little tired.
Daviss: Are you still lingering with the flu
Seventies: No.. its all gone... thank goodness!
Daviss: thats good..
Seventies: So I came across something on TV, and I couldn't believe my eyes! There's a show now about funerals. The Golden Gates Funeral home in Dallas , TX
Daviss: Are you done going through all your papers you got at the archives?
Seventies: Yes... I didn't get that many this time.
Daviss: Yeah, I heard about that Seventies..Nothing I want to see I really dont look at reality shows anyway
Seventies: I have some Plantations and 'owners' I'm going to transcribe and post from Concordia Parish. Oh okay. The entire concept I think is brilliant!
Daviss: I am waiting on Thursday night for Scandel Scandal
Seventies: smh Good afternoon alt
alt: hello ladies, Seventies & Daviss... hope you both are doing well today.
Daviss: Its a very good show and Shonda Rhymes is a brilliant writer and producer
Seventies: doing well. How are you alt? Shoot, Daviss, I think I want at Golden Gates 'fun'eral! lol
Daviss: hello there alt, how afre you? afre = are
alt: I'm doing okay, thanks
Seventies: alt, did you hear the documentary Khathu posted here yesterday about this 'black' community in Ohio? Interesting story. brb going to get a drink.
alt: this is the one about Pike county, & Waverly, Ohio?
Daviss: I think she went to get a cup of tea or sumthing alt
Khathu: Hello everyone
Daviss: hello khathu
alt: Hello Khathu, how ya doing? I guess Daviss, I can't keep up with Seventies LOL
Daviss: the rebel
Khathu: Yes, Scandal is my show
Seventies: ok folks back from getting my cold drink. Hey Khathu! yes, Pike County alt.
Khathu: One of the reasons why I still have a television
Daviss: The only thing Khathu is I have to get off of facebook when it comes on..lol
Khathu: You should be off facebook anyway
alt: yes Seventies, what's interesting to me is that the Pike county story is true for so many areas in Ohio... particularly the south & western portions of the State.
Daviss: before it comes on I will get on, then look at all the millions of comments who see it first lol get off I mean
Seventies: so alt, I suppose that they are part of those Melugeon folks... I wonder how many, like that Harris man, believe that they are paritally Native American and in fact are not.
alt: not really Melugeon .. that term is becoming abused IMHO .... most AA's with pre civil war ties in this part of the country (Ohio) are of AA, white & NA mixture.
Seventies: oh. did anyone watch History Dectectives last night??
Daviss: nope thats for me, I did not
alt: heck, I ain't no Melungeon and I have all three in my ancestry ... and in Ohio before 1800.
alt: watched The Abolitionist & the the UGRR story featuring William Still.
Daviss: I watched NCS
Seventies: ok maybe its airing at different times in different parts of the country.
alt: hello vkn
Seventies: hello vkn
vkn: Hello to each and all
Daviss: hi vkn!
vkn: Seventies Khathu Daviss Alt
Daviss: I will watch both of those shows on a later date
Khathu: hello vkn
vkn: Fazzini is having a ball lol
Daviss: I see vkn.. wish a little more detail was put into post though
alt: I'm watching The Abolitionist only to see how AA's will get the short end of the stick in the portrayal of that movement.
Daviss: has that happened so far alt Is it a two part show?
vkn: 3 parts
Daviss: oh ok
alt: I think so Daviss.. it started last night when we only heard of Frederick Douglass .... it is a 3 part series Daviss agin on the 15t & then the 22nd my campaign this year for the rest of Jan & for BHM is going to promote the little guy (AA's) and their involvement in both the Abolitionist & UGRR movements as it realtes to what I know of them thru my family's involvment. relates
vkn: How is being played out Alt ?
alt: by posting FPOC tidbits on Facebook & AfriGeneas vkn.
vkn: WONDERFUL alt
alt: vkn, did you watch The Abolitionist last night?
vkn: The boards are busy lately even words from Roma Stewart. I failed to watch alt. Sleep consumed me lol
alt: they kept going on & on about Garrison, Grimke, Stowe & John Brown and only occasionly mentioned in passing that FPOC's were involved, and then only Douglass.
alt: yes, I saw Roma's post.. pleasantly surprised.... finally met her last year in Ft. Wayne.
vkn: Roma is a Fiskite
Seventies: hi dcooke
dcooke: Hey gang!
vkn: howdy dcooke how are research things shaping?
Daviss: Hello dcooke!!
dcooke: I ordered the books you recommended.
Daviss: welcome back
alt: very nice lady.... she really surprised me at one of the brown bag lunches in Ft. Wayne with her dislike of the Colonization, or back to Africa movement. hello dcooke
dcooke: I've also reached out to folks at Wiley College where I know some of my Howard ancestrors went to school. I'm hoping they might have some records, pictures, etc.
alt: she (Roma) really had a great arguement and laid it on the line LOL LOL
Daviss: Wiley does have records dcooke
dcooke: I briefly spoke to the Alumni director. He's supposed to call me back today.
vkn: ok I think she has publshed in that era alt
Daviss: when did your ancestor go to Wiley dcooke
dcooke: I know my grandfather and his sisters went there. That would have been around 1913 or so.
alt: I found that out vkn... she is/was truly inspirational in her approach to the subject.
vkn: and also an attorney alt
alt: found that out too vkn LOL
dcooke: I'm not sure about my grandfather's father. He's listed as a teacher on the census in 1900, but I don't know if he had formal training or not.
alt: he and I had a very long talk.. and a couple of brief one's.... a really remarkable lady.
Daviss: what was their names dcooke
vkn: Are you learning a lot from the Sacto materials alt
dcooke: @Daviss Joseph Howard was my grandfather's father. My grandfather was William (Willie) Howard
vkn: Seventies you there?
Daviss: I used to skate on the campus when I was a kid at Wiley
Seventies: Yes I'm here. reading the chat.
HistoryBuff: Hey all
vkn: Well howdy History so glad to C U
Seventies: Hi HistoryBuff
alt: yes vkn, getting an appreciation about the fact that altho' in California William Adams kept strong lines of communcation with his family in Ohio... I thought he had basically abandoned his family.... papers are showing that was not the case.
dcooke: My grandfather's sisters were Katie, Estella, Georgia, Corine, Annie May, and there was a brother named Joseph Jr.
Daviss: my aunt lived one block over and she would take me and other kids to scate on the ball court
alt: Hello HistoryBuff
dcooke: Daviss My mother took me there one time when I was young.
Seventies: Its already 1245!
dcooke: I grew up in Bowie County.
Daviss: I loved going to Marshall, its such a pretty place
vkn: good yieldings alt
HistoryBuff: Thnx Vkn. Glad I could join you all.
dcooke: So I'm pretty fascinated by this group. Are you all writers? Genealogists? Historians?
vkn: Hope the energy level is increasing and maintaining History
Daviss: lol not me dcooke
alt: none of the above, yet all of the above dcooke LOL LOL
vkn: yes a little of each dcooke oops histoeybuff
Seventies: Ok I have to run off. Have a good day.
alt: laters Seventies
HistoryBuff: Sorry about that.
Daviss: Is Bowie County Paris
vkn: It happens historyBuff
dcooke: No. Bowie County is mostly Texarkana and the surrounding small towns.
Daviss: oh yeah thats right Texarkania texas and Ark
HistoryBuff: Was an accident.
vkn: 23&Me offeing something new?
dcooke: I almost ordered their $99 Family Finder dna test. Have you all tried it.
Daviss: some branches of my Burks were from there Oh yes, I have dcooke and am very satisfied
dcooke: I think I remember a dentist named Dr Burks.
vkn: Burks are your maternals daviss?
Daviss: yes vkn my grandfather is a Burks
HistoryBuff: They rec'd the sample. I'm. just waiting for the analysis.
Daviss: Good HistoryBuff!!
dcooke: I'm torn between 23andMe and Family Tree dna. Any opinions?
alt: this is with 23&me or FTDNA HistoryBuff?
Daviss: my grandfather is the brother to the lady that we got in touch with vkn
HistoryBuff: Thnx 2 U Daviss for the heads up.
alt: depends on what you're into dcooke ..... genealogy or DNA
Daviss: you are welcome HB
dcooke: I guess I'm interested in both...
HistoryBuff: This last submission was w/ 23 and me, Alt.
alt: okay HistoryBuff, thanks...
Daviss: I have been trying to get a later picture of her ggrandfather but so far no luck vkn I have not really gotten into Ancestry's like I do 23&Me alt
dcooke: I think I'm going to do the 23andMe FF test and the FTDNA y-test on my dad.
Daviss: I like the new setup they have now alt with 23 and the fact you can download the raw data to Gedmatch
alt: I like the 'trees', or list of names, most folks have on Ancestry.... 23&me folks (AA's) don't seem to have much of their genealogy online Daviss
Daviss: how much is the Y test on FTDNA
dcooke: My dad was adopted as a small child by a non-related family. He knows who his birth mother was, but there is no information about a birth father.
Daviss: ok alt, I had my brother take the autosomal so should i also have him do the Y
dcooke: the y-dna 37 was on sale for $119 over the holidays. not sure if it's still going.
alt: I'm sorta of taking a 'hiatus' from the DNA thing Daviss, just doing an occasionl browsing session to see if I have any 'new' matches that I can relate to in my paper trail.
dcooke: the y-dna 67 was $199. He was always told that his birth father was white, and that's why he was put up for adoption. She had like 12 kids, and he was the only one adopted out of the family.
alt: dcooke, I have done FTDNA up thru Y-DNA 67 marker , mtDNA thru the full sequence and the Family Finder.
dcooke: I think it would answer a lot of questions that we have about my dad's birth parents.
vkn: and HistoryBuff have you DNA'd
alt: well Y-DNA will certain confirm the ethnicity of the father dcooke
Daviss: ok back
dcooke: Could it also provide potential surnames? He's from a small area in AR, so if I had possible surnames, I could easily figure out his father's family.
Daviss: Do you have any Morrison's in your line dcooke?
dcooke: No, Daviss. Not that I know of...
alt: yes FTDNA will provide names and contact information on his Y-DNA matches.
HistoryBuff: I'm still trying to make room for my RootsMagic6 upgrade.
Daviss: whoa HB you that loaded on puter lol lol
alt: dcooke, does your father use the surname of his adoptive parents?
dcooke: Yes As do I. He was adopted as a very small child, and his birth mother died a few years after the adoption. The other children were raised by her relatives. He was adopted into a very light skin, well to do family (for the time and area). Probably because he looked the part.
alt: okay dcooke, my Y-DNA shows a 'white' male ancestor and it has the slavery implications, so I'm not sure if the surname is meaningful to me.
vkn: Running good people
Daviss: bye vkn
alt: bye vkn
dcooke: He has an adopted sister who also has very light skin. No one questioned the children because they all looked like a family. Alt, It tells you when the white was integrated into the family?
Daviss: so Cooke is the name
alt: well it might dcooke ...... my grandfather born in slavery (1852) had a white father.
dcooke: Let me rephrase... will I be able to tell whether his father was white vs a white slavemaster a few generations back?
alt: but Y-DNA is passed from father to son, etc. for as far back in time as one can go.. so you can take it from there.
dcooke: Daviss, my father's adopted family were the Cooke's. I've traced their family back to Ellis Cooke and Mattie Sloan Cooke of Clark County, AR.
Daviss: ok thanks dcooke
alt: you did Y-DNA 67 marker & Family Finder, right dcooke?
dcooke: They were both born right at the end of slavery. I think I have found the plantation and white family that owned Mattie Sloan's family.
alt: for your father
dcooke: I haven't done any dna test yet, but I think I'm going to go with FTDNA y-dna for my father. I don't know which company I'll do for hte family finder. I'm thinking about 23andME because it's cheaper...
alt: okay.... my Y-DNA has over 1,000 matches total..... it pares down to only 4 at the 67 marker level.
HistoryBuff: It's cheaper for now dcooke.
Daviss: and you can download your raw data to gedmatch too!!
alt: 23nadme doesn't really give you haplogroup matches only those from the autosomal (relative finder) matches.
Daviss: ok so let me understand... Y-dna only gives you hap matches?
alt: but those RF matches will show what haplogroup(s) the person belongs to.
dcooke: HistoryBuff what does that mean?
alt: from FTDNA yes Daviss.... same with mtDNA matches on FTDNA
dcooke: Is it going up, or are the others coming down?
Daviss: ok alt that MTDNA match does not mean we are related thru dna right
alt: 23andme only give you autosomal matches .. regardless of haplogroup(s).
HistoryBuff: Yes on a limited basis.
Daviss: dcooke 23 used to be hundreds now they are 99 dollars because they were given a huge donation I think it was over 50 mil
alt: well yes Daviss, remember Y & mtDNA matches are only for DIRECT LINE matches father to son, etc, & mother to son/daughter, etc.
HistoryBuff: Cya folks.
alt: bye HistoryBuff
dcooke: I remember when 23and ME was free for Black Americans. They were trying to increase their Black data. I wish I would have done it then!
Daviss: yes dcooke, that was when I took advantage
dcooke: I wasn't into this yet, and I was concerned about sending my dna to a company that I knew very little about.
alt: that's when I did the 23&me test dcooke, when it was FREE
Daviss: they wanted 10,000
dcooke: If I knew then... Ok guys, black to work... Have a great day!
Daviss: 99 dollars is a very good deal
alt: I hear ya dcooke
Daviss: ok dcooke see ya & be blessed
dcooke: Daviss I'll look for you on Ancestry.com
Daviss: ok and dont forget my email addy
dcooke: I sent the invite, so we should be linked.
Daviss: ok have a good day
Daviss: ok lol
dcooke: I think one of my Howard aunts married a Mitchell. Let me go look at the tree.
Daviss: lol that is my married name I think the Mitchells were from Hope Ark
dcooke: My great aunt Katie married a Samual Mitchell in Bowie County.
Daviss: The X was raised by the Mitchells. not adopted though
dcooke: Bowie County is pretty close to Hope, AR. They might have been related... ok. No big discovery there, I guess.
Daviss: Floyd Mitchell is dads name
dcooke: What's your maiden name?
Daviss: mine is Daviss
dcooke: What's your maternal name?
Daviss: Taylors, Burks from Marshall texas
dcooke: oh, ok.
Daviss: chat later my friend