2012-04-03 Census Findings 1940
Seventies Soulchild: Hello AYWalton
AYWalton: Hey there, SoulChile!! how are you this evening?
Seventies Soulchild: How is your search coming with the 1940 census? I'm doing well How re you?
AYWalton: well thanks to a genea-angel out there I am going through my hometown for 1940. that archives.gov site is insane and rather useless. How about you?
Seventies Soulchild: I'm having great success on the archives dot gov site.
AYWalton: well that's nice.
Seventies Soulchild: I'm looking for my grandmother and my father in 1940
AYWalton: someone downloaded the entire EDs that I needed and put them up on Dropbox. So I only have to look at what he has put up there for me to see.
Seventies Soulchild: I can't download Oklahoma. I'd been looking for Muskogee family
AYWalton: they load fast and furiously.
Seventies Soulchild: Nice
AYWalton: otherwise too much congestion and no progress on the .gov site for me. No success at all.
Seventies Soulchild: ah ok
AYWalton: Greetings Mizz Selma!
Seventies Soulchild: Hi Selma
Selma: Good Tuesday evening good folks
AYWalton: hope you are well. how are things with you, Selma?
Selma: Things are going OK..no I have not started searching 1940 yet.. LOL
Seventies Soulchild: waiting for all of the kinks to be out before you start?
Selma: No I had real life stuff to do.. LOL
AYWalton: you probably are having a happier life, Selma. some of us have spent hours with the process. lol
Selma: Once I started hearing you all talk..I figured I might as well wait.. I still think this is a plot by Ancestry against archives dot gov
Seventies Soulchild: lol
AYWalton: lol yes, as the article said in the paper, it gave one crew a major headache and gave Ancestry a chance to gloat! lol
Seventies Soulchild: yeah they may have hacked the site until they could get the records up... lol
Selma: Gloat is an understatment..they must have been besides themselves.. LOL
AYWalton: I suspect so.
Selma: This is BIG BIG business..none of the touchy feely stuff here
Seventies Soulchild: lol
AYWalton: you are quite right!!!
Seventies Soulchild: Yes Ancestry made money hand over fist BEFORE they were bought out.
AYWalton: I notice one thing about the 1940 census---we stopped being black---and they made us Negroes that year.
Selma: Oh we are Negroes.. LOL
Seventies Soulchild: Oh so that's when it started. Hi Sadonya
Sadonya: hey everybody
Selma: So then it was official Evening Sadonya
Seventies Soulchild: lol yes official... lol
AYWalton: looks like it. greetings Sadonya!! Greetings, vkn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
vkn: Howdy to all
Sadonya: we were negros in 1930 also
Seventies Soulchild: Have you been looking through the census records for 1940 Sadonya?
Sadonya: oh yeah
vkn: Backatcha AYW
Seventies Soulchild: hi vkn
Sadonya: the Mexicans in CA suddenly became white
Seventies Soulchild: In 1940?
AYWalton: ahhh....we became Negroes and the Mexicans became white. Interesting racial "shifts" for sure.
Seventies Soulchild: smh
Sadonya: oh yeah but we became negroes in 1930 and Mexicans became white in 1940
Selma: Well how were they described before they became white in 1940
Seventies Soulchild: That's what I thought Sadonya
Sadonya: in 1930 the census takers made a mistake and numerated my grand dad as Mexican
AYWalton: that's interesting, Sadonya!
Seventies Soulchild: Hello Daviss
Daviss: hello all!!
Sadonya: oh yeah especially because he was so black they nick named him BLUE hey Daviss
Selma: Mexican is not a race that is an ethnicity..Mexican.
Seventies Soulchild: Its a nationality actually.
Sadonya: lol @ Selma its a California thang
Selma: Yes..you are right seventies..
AYWalton: I guess California has it's own structure.
Sadonya: oh yeah there own rules and everything
vkn: indeed it does
Selma: Gotta ask jhonora..how all those LA folks fared..
Sadonya: now it makes sense to me that when I started school I thought the Mexicans were white.... I went to a school of blacks and Mexicans and that is what they were called back them its only been lately they are referred to as Latino
Seventies Soulchild: Sadonya, I have some news for you...
Seventies Soulchild: We share some genetic material. :}
Sadonya: we do? oh Lord Angela
Seventies Soulchild: Yes we do. Check 23andme
Sadonya: under what name?
Seventies Soulchild: James Thompson
Seventies Soulchild: That's my grandfather.
Sadonya: what cousins did it say we were
Daviss: AYWalton were you ever able to get on the census?
Seventies Soulchild: .13% on one segment 5th cousins.
AYWalton: No. I have a genea-angel out there who uploaded all of the EDs for Ft. Smith to Drop box, and I am breezing through them. He felt sorry for me, I guess. I don't even know this guy.
Sadonya: what states your folks from?
Seventies Soulchild: Mississippi
AYWalton: the .gov site was completely useless for me.
Daviss: Drop box, thats great
Selma: He musta read the article in the newspaper.. LOL
Sadonya: Seventies Soulchild any other state?
AYWalton: I have no idea. He's a white guy who lives in Arkansas. I guess he heard me say on Twitter that I was having no luck.
Seventies Soulchild: Yes some in Cali, Louisiana, NY
AYWalton: He tweeted me, then found my mother in Little Rock. and emailed it to me.
Sadonya: how nice
Seventies Soulchild: Nice
AYWalton: Then he put up dozens of pages and EDs for me in dropbox and I am just breezing right on through. too bad that archives.gov was so unfortunately weak. plus navigating is not so simple you have to get your rhythm with it, too.
Seventies Soulchild: Sadonya, I suspect that this would be my Galmore line. Lots of Galmores in North MS and TN
Sadonya: Seventies Soulchild I only have one ancestor that I know of from MS>.. Tom Sanders
Seventies Soulchild: ok
Sadonya: he was born in 1854 and in 1870 was in Texas
Daviss: Had you found anyone else from what he sent
Sadonya: other than that... we may have one sib sold into MS and mine into GA
AYWalton: With 23 and me, I focus on the first page of new "cousins" as they are perhaps the most traceable.
Seventies Soulchild: ok Sadonya Now just so you know my grandfather is 92. so you would be his 5th cousin, through his maternal lineage.
Sadonya: Angela on 23andMe some of those they sent me have no similar markers like you and me there is just not enough info
AYWalton: ahhh he is still living.
Seventies Soulchild: Yes...
AYWalton: I find it a bit complicated with the markers, and often too much detail.
Sadonya: vkn found Wiley in Riverside that was related to the Stricklands
Seventies Soulchild: I don't know where the Boyds (his grandmothers family) came from.
Sadonya: my mother would be 79 if she were alive both her parents were born in GA
Seventies Soulchild: ok
Sadonya: on my dads side OK and TX
AYWalton: Ooo......multitasking here and getting close to my grandmother's house on the census records the man uploaded for me. I recognize the neighbors!
Sadonya: its so exciting
Daviss: good for you Aywalton!!
AYWalton: now that I can see them.
Sadonya: I finally found my mother
Selma: She will be doing the happy dance in a minute
Seventies Soulchild: Hope you find what you are looking for
Sadonya: I dont think Ancestry has AR uploaded yet do they? lol
Daviss: nor do they have Okla
Seventies Soulchild: Daviss is OK fully online as of yet? Guess that's a NO...
Sadonya: yeah I am waiting for that one not at all yet
Seventies Soulchild: I am also looking for St. Louis, MO
AYWalton: I think OK is online with the .gov site.
Seventies Soulchild: McMinnville, TN
AYWalton: The genea-guy was looking in Muskogee for some of my Bass folks.
Seventies Soulchild: Wayne co. Mi
AYWalton: he could see them.
Sadonya: Seventies Soulchild TN is online
Seventies Soulchild: I'll look again before my TV show comes on :}
Sadonya: I been in Hamilton county most of the day when I was not in CA
Seventies Soulchild: It appears that this uncle in TN didn't have a SSN Though he died in 1961 Have you all ever come across that??
AYWalton: most of the payments were just being made in the 60s on a regular basis.
Daviss: sorry touching basis with my bro in Dallas
AYWalton: and SSDI was only for people who were beneficiaries.
Sadonya: yes Seventies Soulchild a lot
AYWalton: he might have had a number but was never a beneficiary.
Seventies Soulchild: Now his brother had one, but he worked for the WPA during the 40's
Selma: Think that were quite a few folks who didn't apply for SS..
Seventies Soulchild: I also don't see a WWII draft for him though his brothers who were of similar age were required to complete the draft card.
AYWalton: so if one never received any payment from SSA, then they won't be on the SSDI.
Seventies Soulchild: Both worked in some form for the government ok
Sadonya: sometimes they had other names or different spellings
Seventies Soulchild: I think it was because he worked in a rural community and no he never had any children.
Daviss: no wife either?
Seventies Soulchild: He was married, then divorced by the 1920's She remarried. It seemed like he threw himself into his work based on the bio on him for Blount Co, TN black history month article.
Daviss: who submitted the article seventies, do you know?
Sadonya: did they live in Marysville?
Seventies Soulchild: This is something I got from my cousins in NC and MD. They received a copy by mail about 20 years ago. Yes at one time they did.
Sadonya: thats not far from me
Seventies Soulchild: I believe that's where they were married. Ok wow!
Sadonya: I am researching a family from there that were FPOCs
Seventies Soulchild: Let me get the link to the article for you Sadonya.
Sadonya: thank you I would like that
AYWalton: Whre ere your FPOCs Sadonya?
Seventies Soulchild: The article includes his wife's maiden name and 2nd marriage name.
Sadonya: the I was just referring to is from Blount County, TN not mine wonderful have a first cousin, her father's people were slaves in KY but free in 1860 and IOWA no less
Seventies Soulchild: Here is my blog posting including a photo and the article I've reference with my cousins handwriting on it. http://thefamilygriot.blogspot.com/2010/08/dr-benjamin-emerson-washington.html I am surprised that Iowa had black people and that they still do. There is a town mentioned there Oldfield? I guess the area began as a company town. Referring to Blount Co., TN
Sadonya: he was the only black man in Grand Junction, IA and was a barber
Seventies Soulchild: wow.
Selma: YOu need to look up Buxton Iowa seventies
AYWalton: Wow. How long did he stay there, Sadonya?
Sadonya: til he died
Selma: It was a big coal mining area..
Sadonya: he was there in 1860, 1870, 1880 and 1900
Seventies Soulchild: There are some Rounds (my family) surnamed people in that area. But I think that they came from the other black Rounds family in Humphreys Co, MS I read the article on that. What an interesting history! @ Selma
Selma: Black folk show up all over the country..
Seventies Soulchild: They do. What about that piece on blacks in Montana. That was surprising.
AYWalton: and there are black folks and have been for decades in Idaho.
Seventies Soulchild: Interesting.
AYWalton: Just found a family that was living in the house that I grew up in, in Ft. Smith Arkansas.
Seventies Soulchild: Really? Could they have been relatives?
Daviss: what have you found Selma?
AYWalton: no, not related. Have never heard their names. previous owners.
Seventies Soulchild: ok
AYWalton: about a decade before my parents bought the house.
Selma: Ihaven't looked Daviss.
Daviss: oh ok
AYWalton: I am finding all of my grandmother's friends in the neighborhood. Some I forgot existed!
Seventies Soulchild: lol
Selma: that great AY..new info
AYWalton: Mizz Nona. I can recall her visiting Grandma all the time. And Mizz Warren, the lady who used to chew her tongue. (And dip snuff). But they all did.
Seventies Soulchild: wow
AYWalton: The would come and visit and spit and talk for hours! I can smell the snuff right now.
Sadonya: I remember the first time I saw folks dip snuff I was about 11 years old wondered why them folks had brown spit
AYWalton: And there is Mr. Charlie---two houses away from my grandmother. His wife was called Ann? Hmm...we called her Mizz Zonie. For Arizona!
Sadonya: thats interesting
Seventies Soulchild: very Well my tv show is on. I'll see you ladies tomorrow...
Selma: Folks..Ihave to run..have a great evening.. AY don't stop up all night.. LOL
AYWalton: this is amazing. ok Selma
Selma: stay up
AYWalton: soon as I find my daddy I will go to bed!!
Selma: Good night.
Sadonya: Daviss have you seen Texas anywhere?
Daviss: I finally got on but have not seen anyone yet they came on and went down twice up again now
AYWalton: that is so frustrating!
Sadonya: walking down the streets of Riverside I found almost all my folks the same in Chattanooga with families I have researched
Daviss: this is ancestry..Dont know why but msg just said "oops"
AYWalton: wow---that is a good example of location based genealogy. You can do a mapping thing with that.
Sadonya: ignore that message try again it works yes
Daviss: oh really Sadonya
AYWalton: I saw someone reconstruct a neighborhood in New York that was the same as the old neighborhood in Sicily.
jhonora: Good Evening all!
AYWalton: same folks were all neighbors again.
Daviss: hello jhonora!
AYWalton: greetings, jhonora!!
jhonora: Congrats, AY!
Sadonya: AYWalton in some cases they are naming where people came from by city name
Daviss: so I just relog as soon as it shows Sadonya
Sadonya: yes or go back a page a
jhonora: I've had some luck with the census, I found my paternal grandmother
Sadonya: or forward then back
Daviss: oh ok thanks cauce I am so tired of being pissessssssd
Sadonya: I found so many people I was beginning to tear up
AYWalton: I am still going at it.
Sadonya: saving all to hard drive
AYWalton: oh that is nice Sadonya I have found the .gov site not to be useful. could never get on it.
Sadonya: oh really
Daviss: me either AYWalton
Sadonya: Ancestry is still uploading
AYWalton: then a nice genea-friend uploaded all of my EDs onto dropbox and I am sailing right through it! looking for my dad and my grandparents. I am in the neighborhood, though.
Daviss: how are you doing with your searches Jhonora
AYWalton: well I had better run, folks. Still pouring over pages. have a good one.
Sadonya: you too
jhonora: Daviss, I am doing well
Sadonya: you find your folks?
Daviss: thats good, mabe mine will pick up here soon Sadonya I am gonna go try your trick and see if I can log back on..Thanks so much
Sadonya: Vicky were are you looking?
jhonora: I found people in Ms and La
Daviss: In Harrison County Texas then after that Grimes County
Sadonya: so they have Texas uploaded now?
jhonora: The download works faster than clicking each page for some files.
Daviss: yes they have some but not sure if all 265 counties yet
Sadonya: okay I want to see Red River co when they get it but mostly interested in OK
Daviss: I think I had a few Red River Burks I want Bristow Okla mabe Sims in Red River
jhonora: I haven't even attempted to look at Chicago yet
Sadonya: I need to look at Chicago also but that may take days
jhonora: The EDs are huge
Sadonya: I can only imagine
jhonora: Plus I'm not sure if they had moved or not from 1930 Well, I'm signing off y'all!
Sadonya: you may see if you can find the WWII card it has the address on it and its from 1945
Daviss: nice tip Sadonya
Sadonya: she missed it oh well
Daviss: thats two you gave me lol
Daviss: that is a he
Sadonya: oh okay I never knew that
Daviss: did you go to the summit
Daviss: in 2009
Sadonya: I dont keep up you mean in IN Fort Wayne
Daviss: yes yes
Sadonya: no Angela kept trying to get me too
Daviss: oh ok cause he was there
Sadonya: but I didnt I see I went to FGS in Knoxville had fun
Daviss: you should go to the ine in Utah one in Utah
Sadonya: I know but.... have to see
Daviss: yes, how are you listed in 23&me
Sadonya: I was invited to Utah years ago by one to "white" Stowers yes but didnt feel right about staying with her are you?
Daviss: yes trying to make me a summit bucket lol
Sadonya: did you put your name on 23andMe
Daviss: oh yes, I am in there under Vicky M
Sadonya: I match with people with no names and some of them high
Daviss: I know, my grandaughter as a 1.34 and they wont even answer
Sadonya: I understand meant dont
Daviss: I trold her it may be one of her daddys kids lol
Daviss: thats really high
Sadonya: I found a cousin from a side of the family I been looking for for years they responded but have not talked with me I hate it
Daviss: I know, I dont understand people
Sadonya: I guess they there for the medical only not genies like us
Daviss: so whats wrong with saying that instead of no answer at all
Sadonya: for sure I choose to think that the no answers are people that do not sign on the computer and check their emails lol
Daviss: lol Do you research Tn also
Sadonya: yes every state in the south I live in Chatt so have done a lot of research here TN has some great records
Daviss: My grandkids are Donalds and I think thats where they are from
Sadonya: tN? what part
Daviss: That was the small hint the other grand gave before she passed away Not really sure but may be around Memphis
Sadonya: Memphis has wonder online records
Daviss: I saw a few Donnells
Sadonya: oh boy \ I meant wonderful
Daviss: someone told me it may have been Donnell first
Sadonya: let me get you the link
Sadonya: could be
Daviss: Do you search all over the south because of you and yours or because of other people you help?
Daviss: thanks so much
Sadonya: because I do research for others.... my state is GA
Sadonya: Tx, ok then ca
Daviss: just the one county in Tx?
Sadonya: no Bowie, CASS & Jefferson and Red River most moved to OK
Daviss: interesting.. I think my Sims and Pierce may be in Bowie
Sadonya: Chattanooga is full with people that came from AL< GA, MS and the CArolinas Memphis is full of folks from MS
Daviss: why, what was the industry
Sadonya: my cousins wife father was born in Memphis but his folks came from MS
Daviss: I think I will head out Sadonya.. Basic me if you want VickyM
Sadonya: I will
Daviss: worth a try ok night and good luck with census
Sadonya: you too have a good one