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2012-04-03 Census Findings 1940


Start: 21:09:30
End: 22:34:33
Chatters: AYWalton, Daviss, jhonora, Sadonya, Selma, Seventies Soulchild, vkn

Seventies Soulchild: Hello AYWalton

AYWalton: Hey there, SoulChile!! how are you this evening?

Seventies Soulchild: How is your search coming with the 1940 census? I'm doing well How re you?

AYWalton: well thanks to a genea-angel out there I am going through my hometown for 1940. that site is insane and rather useless. How about you?

Seventies Soulchild: I'm having great success on the archives dot gov site.

AYWalton: well that's nice.

Seventies Soulchild: I'm looking for my grandmother and my father in 1940

AYWalton: someone downloaded the entire EDs that I needed and put them up on Dropbox. So I only have to look at what he has put up there for me to see.

Seventies Soulchild: I can't download Oklahoma. I'd been looking for Muskogee family

AYWalton: they load fast and furiously.

Seventies Soulchild: Nice

AYWalton: otherwise too much congestion and no progress on the .gov site for me. No success at all.

Seventies Soulchild: ah ok

AYWalton: Greetings Mizz Selma!

Seventies Soulchild: Hi Selma

Selma: Good Tuesday evening good folks

AYWalton: hope you are well. how are things with you, Selma?

Selma: Things are going I have not started searching 1940 yet.. LOL

Seventies Soulchild: waiting for all of the kinks to be out before you start?

AYWalton: lol

Selma: No I had real life stuff to do.. LOL

AYWalton: you probably are having a happier life, Selma. some of us have spent hours with the process. lol

Selma: Once I started hearing you all talk..I figured I might as well wait.. I still think this is a plot by Ancestry against archives dot gov

Seventies Soulchild: lol

AYWalton: lol yes, as the article said in the paper, it gave one crew a major headache and gave Ancestry a chance to gloat! lol

Seventies Soulchild: yeah they may have hacked the site until they could get the records up... lol

Selma: Gloat is an understatment..they must have been besides themselves.. LOL

AYWalton: I suspect so.

Selma: This is BIG BIG business..none of the touchy feely stuff here

Seventies Soulchild: lol

AYWalton: you are quite right!!!

Seventies Soulchild: Yes Ancestry made money hand over fist BEFORE they were bought out.

AYWalton: I notice one thing about the 1940 census---we stopped being black---and they made us Negroes that year.

Selma: Oh we are Negroes.. LOL

Seventies Soulchild: Oh so that's when it started. Hi Sadonya

Sadonya: hey everybody

Selma: So then it was official Evening Sadonya

Seventies Soulchild: lol yes official... lol

AYWalton: looks like it. greetings Sadonya!! Greetings, vkn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

vkn: Howdy to all

Sadonya: we were negros in 1930 also

Seventies Soulchild: Have you been looking through the census records for 1940 Sadonya?

Sadonya: oh yeah

vkn: Backatcha AYW

Seventies Soulchild: hi vkn

Sadonya: the Mexicans in CA suddenly became white

Seventies Soulchild: In 1940?

AYWalton: ahhh....we became Negroes and the Mexicans became white. Interesting racial "shifts" for sure.

Sadonya: yep

Seventies Soulchild: smh

Sadonya: oh yeah but we became negroes in 1930 and Mexicans became white in 1940

Selma: Well how were they described before they became white in 1940

Sadonya: Mexican

Seventies Soulchild: That's what I thought Sadonya

Sadonya: in 1930 the census takers made a mistake and numerated my grand dad as Mexican

AYWalton: that's interesting, Sadonya!

Seventies Soulchild: Hello Daviss

Daviss: hello all!!

Sadonya: oh yeah especially because he was so black they nick named him BLUE hey Daviss

Selma: Mexican is not a race that is an ethnicity..Mexican.

Seventies Soulchild: Its a nationality actually.

Sadonya: lol @ Selma its a California thang

Selma: are right seventies..

AYWalton: I guess California has it's own structure. :)

Sadonya: oh yeah there own rules and everything

vkn: indeed it does

Selma: Gotta ask all those LA folks fared..

Sadonya: now it makes sense to me that when I started school I thought the Mexicans were white.... I went to a school of blacks and Mexicans and that is what they were called back them its only been lately they are referred to as Latino

Seventies Soulchild: Sadonya, I have some news for you...

Sadonya: yes

Seventies Soulchild: We share some genetic material. :}

Sadonya: we do? oh Lord Angela

Seventies Soulchild: Yes we do. Check 23andme

Sadonya: under what name?

Seventies Soulchild: James Thompson

Sadonya: okay

Seventies Soulchild: That's my grandfather.

Sadonya: what cousins did it say we were

Daviss: AYWalton were you ever able to get on the census?

Seventies Soulchild: .13% on one segment 5th cousins.

AYWalton: No. I have a genea-angel out there who uploaded all of the EDs for Ft. Smith to Drop box, and I am breezing through them. He felt sorry for me, I guess. I don't even know this guy.

Sadonya: what states your folks from?

Seventies Soulchild: Mississippi

AYWalton: the .gov site was completely useless for me.

Daviss: Drop box, thats great

Selma: He musta read the article in the newspaper.. LOL

AYWalton: lol

Sadonya: Seventies Soulchild any other state?

AYWalton: I have no idea. He's a white guy who lives in Arkansas. I guess he heard me say on Twitter that I was having no luck.

Seventies Soulchild: Yes some in Cali, Louisiana, NY

AYWalton: He tweeted me, then found my mother in Little Rock. and emailed it to me.

Daviss: wow

Sadonya: how nice

Seventies Soulchild: Nice

AYWalton: Then he put up dozens of pages and EDs for me in dropbox and I am just breezing right on through. too bad that was so unfortunately weak. plus navigating is not so simple you have to get your rhythm with it, too.

Seventies Soulchild: Sadonya, I suspect that this would be my Galmore line. Lots of Galmores in North MS and TN

Sadonya: Seventies Soulchild I only have one ancestor that I know of from MS>.. Tom Sanders

Seventies Soulchild: ok

Sadonya: he was born in 1854 and in 1870 was in Texas

Daviss: Had you found anyone else from what he sent

Sadonya: other than that... we may have one sib sold into MS and mine into GA

AYWalton: With 23 and me, I focus on the first page of new "cousins" as they are perhaps the most traceable.

Seventies Soulchild: ok Sadonya Now just so you know my grandfather is 92. so you would be his 5th cousin, through his maternal lineage.

Sadonya: Angela on 23andMe some of those they sent me have no similar markers like you and me there is just not enough info

AYWalton: ahhh he is still living.

Seventies Soulchild: Yes...

AYWalton: I find it a bit complicated with the markers, and often too much detail.

Sadonya: vkn found Wiley in Riverside that was related to the Stricklands

Seventies Soulchild: I don't know where the Boyds (his grandmothers family) came from.

Sadonya: my mother would be 79 if she were alive both her parents were born in GA

Seventies Soulchild: ok

Sadonya: on my dads side OK and TX

AYWalton: Ooo......multitasking here and getting close to my grandmother's house on the census records the man uploaded for me. I recognize the neighbors!

Sadonya: its so exciting

Daviss: good for you Aywalton!!

AYWalton: now that I can see them.

Sadonya: I finally found my mother

Selma: She will be doing the happy dance in a minute

Seventies Soulchild: Hope you find what you are looking for

Sadonya: I dont think Ancestry has AR uploaded yet do they? lol

Daviss: nor do they have Okla

Seventies Soulchild: Daviss is OK fully online as of yet? Guess that's a NO...

Sadonya: yeah I am waiting for that one not at all yet

Seventies Soulchild: I am also looking for St. Louis, MO

AYWalton: I think OK is online with the .gov site.

Seventies Soulchild: McMinnville, TN

AYWalton: The genea-guy was looking in Muskogee for some of my Bass folks.

Seventies Soulchild: Wayne co. Mi

AYWalton: he could see them.

Sadonya: Seventies Soulchild TN is online

Seventies Soulchild: I'll look again before my TV show comes on :}

Sadonya: I been in Hamilton county most of the day when I was not in CA

Seventies Soulchild: It appears that this uncle in TN didn't have a SSN Though he died in 1961 Have you all ever come across that??

AYWalton: most of the payments were just being made in the 60s on a regular basis.

Daviss: sorry touching basis with my bro in Dallas

AYWalton: and SSDI was only for people who were beneficiaries.

Sadonya: yes Seventies Soulchild a lot

AYWalton: he might have had a number but was never a beneficiary.

Seventies Soulchild: Now his brother had one, but he worked for the WPA during the 40's

Selma: Think that were quite a few folks who didn't apply for SS..

Seventies Soulchild: I also don't see a WWII draft for him though his brothers who were of similar age were required to complete the draft card.

AYWalton: so if one never received any payment from SSA, then they won't be on the SSDI.

Seventies Soulchild: Both worked in some form for the government ok

Sadonya: sometimes they had other names or different spellings

AYWalton: interesting.

Seventies Soulchild: I think it was because he worked in a rural community and no he never had any children.

Daviss: no wife either?

Seventies Soulchild: He was married, then divorced by the 1920's She remarried. It seemed like he threw himself into his work based on the bio on him for Blount Co, TN black history month article.

Daviss: who submitted the article seventies, do you know?

Sadonya: did they live in Marysville?

Seventies Soulchild: This is something I got from my cousins in NC and MD. They received a copy by mail about 20 years ago. Yes at one time they did.

Sadonya: thats not far from me

Seventies Soulchild: I believe that's where they were married. Ok wow!

Sadonya: I am researching a family from there that were FPOCs

Seventies Soulchild: Let me get the link to the article for you Sadonya.

Sadonya: thank you I would like that

AYWalton: Whre ere your FPOCs Sadonya?

Seventies Soulchild: The article includes his wife's maiden name and 2nd marriage name.

Sadonya: the I was just referring to is from Blount County, TN not mine wonderful have a first cousin, her father's people were slaves in KY but free in 1860 and IOWA no less

Seventies Soulchild: Here is my blog posting including a photo and the article I've reference with my cousins handwriting on it. I am surprised that Iowa had black people and that they still do. There is a town mentioned there Oldfield? I guess the area began as a company town. Referring to Blount Co., TN

Sadonya: he was the only black man in Grand Junction, IA and was a barber

Seventies Soulchild: wow.

Selma: YOu need to look up Buxton Iowa seventies

AYWalton: Wow. How long did he stay there, Sadonya?

Sadonya: til he died

Selma: It was a big coal mining area..

Sadonya: he was there in 1860, 1870, 1880 and 1900

Seventies Soulchild: There are some Rounds (my family) surnamed people in that area. But I think that they came from the other black Rounds family in Humphreys Co, MS I read the article on that. What an interesting history! @ Selma

Selma: Black folk show up all over the country..

Seventies Soulchild: They do. What about that piece on blacks in Montana. That was surprising.

AYWalton: and there are black folks and have been for decades in Idaho.

Seventies Soulchild: Interesting.

AYWalton: Just found a family that was living in the house that I grew up in, in Ft. Smith Arkansas.

Seventies Soulchild: Really? Could they have been relatives?

Daviss: what have you found Selma?

AYWalton: no, not related. Have never heard their names. previous owners.

Seventies Soulchild: ok

AYWalton: about a decade before my parents bought the house.

Selma: Ihaven't looked Daviss.

Daviss: oh ok

AYWalton: I am finding all of my grandmother's friends in the neighborhood. Some I forgot existed!

Seventies Soulchild: lol

Selma: that great info

AYWalton: Mizz Nona. I can recall her visiting Grandma all the time. And Mizz Warren, the lady who used to chew her tongue. (And dip snuff). But they all did.

Seventies Soulchild: wow

AYWalton: The would come and visit and spit and talk for hours! I can smell the snuff right now.

Sadonya: I remember the first time I saw folks dip snuff I was about 11 years old wondered why them folks had brown spit

AYWalton: And there is Mr. Charlie---two houses away from my grandmother. His wife was called Ann? Hmm...we called her Mizz Zonie. For Arizona!

Sadonya: thats interesting

Seventies Soulchild: very Well my tv show is on. I'll see you ladies tomorrow...

Selma: Folks..Ihave to run..have a great evening.. AY don't stop up all night.. LOL

AYWalton: this is amazing. ok Selma

Selma: stay up

Sadonya: lol

AYWalton: soon as I find my daddy I will go to bed!!

Selma: Good night.

Sadonya: Daviss have you seen Texas anywhere?

Daviss: I finally got on but have not seen anyone yet they came on and went down twice up again now

AYWalton: that is so frustrating!

Sadonya: walking down the streets of Riverside I found almost all my folks the same in Chattanooga with families I have researched

Daviss: this is ancestry..Dont know why but msg just said "oops"

AYWalton: wow---that is a good example of location based genealogy. You can do a mapping thing with that.

Sadonya: ignore that message try again it works yes

Daviss: oh really Sadonya

AYWalton: I saw someone reconstruct a neighborhood in New York that was the same as the old neighborhood in Sicily.

Sadonya: yes

jhonora: Good Evening all!

AYWalton: same folks were all neighbors again.

Daviss: hello jhonora!

AYWalton: greetings, jhonora!!

jhonora: Congrats, AY!

Sadonya: AYWalton in some cases they are naming where people came from by city name

Daviss: so I just relog as soon as it shows Sadonya

Sadonya: yes or go back a page a

jhonora: I've had some luck with the census, I found my paternal grandmother

Sadonya: or forward then back

Daviss: oh ok thanks cauce I am so tired of being pissessssssd

Sadonya: I found so many people I was beginning to tear up

Daviss: lol

AYWalton: I am still going at it.

Sadonya: saving all to hard drive

AYWalton: oh that is nice Sadonya I have found the .gov site not to be useful. could never get on it.

Sadonya: oh really

Daviss: me either AYWalton

Sadonya: Ancestry is still uploading

AYWalton: then a nice genea-friend uploaded all of my EDs onto dropbox and I am sailing right through it! looking for my dad and my grandparents. I am in the neighborhood, though.

Daviss: how are you doing with your searches Jhonora

AYWalton: well I had better run, folks. Still pouring over pages. have a good one.

Sadonya: you too

jhonora: Daviss, I am doing well

Sadonya: you find your folks?

Daviss: thats good, mabe mine will pick up here soon Sadonya I am gonna go try your trick and see if I can log back on..Thanks so much

Sadonya: Vicky were are you looking?

jhonora: I found people in Ms and La

Sadonya: sure

Daviss: In Harrison County Texas then after that Grimes County

Sadonya: so they have Texas uploaded now?

jhonora: The download works faster than clicking each page for some files.

Daviss: yes they have some but not sure if all 265 counties yet

Sadonya: okay I want to see Red River co when they get it but mostly interested in OK

Daviss: I think I had a few Red River Burks I want Bristow Okla mabe Sims in Red River

jhonora: I haven't even attempted to look at Chicago yet

Sadonya: I need to look at Chicago also but that may take days

jhonora: The EDs are huge

Sadonya: I can only imagine

jhonora: Plus I'm not sure if they had moved or not from 1930 Well, I'm signing off y'all!

Daviss: bye

Sadonya: you may see if you can find the WWII card it has the address on it and its from 1945

Daviss: nice tip Sadonya

Sadonya: she missed it oh well

Daviss: thats two you gave me lol

Sadonya: wonderful

Daviss: that is a he

Sadonya: oh okay I never knew that

Daviss: lol

Sadonya: lol

Daviss: did you go to the summit

Sadonya: no

Daviss: in 2009

Sadonya: I dont keep up you mean in IN Fort Wayne

Daviss: yes yes

Sadonya: no Angela kept trying to get me too

Daviss: oh ok cause he was there

Sadonya: but I didnt I see I went to FGS in Knoxville had fun

Daviss: you should go to the ine in Utah one in Utah

Sadonya: I know but.... have to see

Daviss: yes, how are you listed in 23&me

Sadonya: I was invited to Utah years ago by one to "white" Stowers yes but didnt feel right about staying with her are you?

Daviss: yes trying to make me a summit bucket lol

Sadonya: did you put your name on 23andMe

Daviss: oh yes, I am in there under Vicky M

Sadonya: I match with people with no names and some of them high

Daviss: I know, my grandaughter as a 1.34 and they wont even answer

Sadonya: I understand meant dont

Daviss: I trold her it may be one of her daddys kids lol

Sadonya: lol

Daviss: thats really high

Sadonya: I found a cousin from a side of the family I been looking for for years they responded but have not talked with me I hate it

Daviss: I know, I dont understand people

Sadonya: I guess they there for the medical only not genies like us

Daviss: so whats wrong with saying that instead of no answer at all

Sadonya: for sure I choose to think that the no answers are people that do not sign on the computer and check their emails lol

Daviss: lol Do you research Tn also

Sadonya: yes every state in the south I live in Chatt so have done a lot of research here TN has some great records

Daviss: My grandkids are Donalds and I think thats where they are from

Sadonya: tN? what part

Daviss: That was the small hint the other grand gave before she passed away Not really sure but may be around Memphis

Sadonya: Memphis has wonder online records

Daviss: I saw a few Donnells

Sadonya: oh boy \ I meant wonderful

Daviss: someone told me it may have been Donnell first

Sadonya: let me get you the link

Daviss: ok

Sadonya: could be

Daviss: Do you search all over the south because of you and yours or because of other people you help?


Daviss: thanks so much

Sadonya: because I do research for others.... my state is GA

Daviss: ok

Sadonya: Tx, ok then ca

Daviss: just the one county in Tx?

Sadonya: no Bowie, CASS & Jefferson and Red River most moved to OK

Daviss: interesting.. I think my Sims and Pierce may be in Bowie

Sadonya: Chattanooga is full with people that came from AL< GA, MS and the CArolinas Memphis is full of folks from MS

Daviss: why, what was the industry

Sadonya: my cousins wife father was born in Memphis but his folks came from MS

Daviss: I think I will head out Sadonya.. Basic me if you want VickyM

Sadonya: I will

Daviss: worth a try ok night and good luck with census

Sadonya: you too have a good one

Daviss: k

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