vicky: hello alt!
alt: Hello vicky, reading yesterday's log... how you & da glasses?
vicky: how's it going lol going good A woman's gotta do what a woman's gotta do lol
alt: I see LOL going great for me, now that I remembered this is Friday & not Saturday.
vicky: I hear ya alt! I am a little turned around today my self
alt: PHX lost a tough one last night, huh>
vicky: oh yes! I was so figitity those last few minutes I thought I was gonna take off lol
alt: well they've proven that they can play with the Lakers..
vicky: next will be a home game for them. then back to the Staple Center
alt: Yeah, I think it'll go to the 7th game.
vicky: me too, just hoping we could beat them in their territory
alt: yep, they'll have to win 1 in LA so far they've both held home court.
AYWalton: Good afternoon, all. moring in your part of the world, Ms. Vicky! howdy alt.
alt: Hello AYWalton, how you be's today?
vicky: I talked to my brother last night who is in Iowa for the Veterans Games. He said he was surrounded by Laker haters
AYWalton: pretty good and you?
vicky: hello AYWalton!
alt: doing fine AYWalton Lotsa LA haters back here in the midwest vicky.
vicky: AYWalton I just sent you a link to a site and was wondering if you had seen it
AYWalton: you sent it email?
vicky: yes, I think to your yahoo
AYWalton: oh ok, I shall check it out. just reading headlines. I see that Gary Coleman is on life support.
Professordru: Howdy Gang
alt: Y'all have plans for the weekend?
AYWalton: ProfessorDru is in da house!!
alt: Hello Professordru
vicky: yes I saw that last night. He has had multible problems multible = multiple hello there Dru!
AYWalton: Howdy Selma!!!!!!!!!!!
alt: hello Selma.. whas up?
Professordru: Selma in da house!!
vicky: and hello Selma!
Selma: Good afternoon lunchbunchers..alt, AY Prof and vicky...
vicky: My grandson has a two day track meet so it will fill up my time alt. I am just hoping it won't be too hot
alt: good luck grandma LOL
Selma: We are suppose to get rain tomorrow..gonna get some video's for my little darlins...LOL
vicky: thank you alt lol need it
Selma: Let me find my other glasses...vicky do you still have your 2 on...LOL
alt: gonna keep'em busy and outa of da way, huh Grandma Selma
vicky: lol lol @ Selma
AYWalton: I wanted to go over to Loudon National to photograph some stones, but might just take my time till have somebody to go with me. Over 1000 USCTs are buried there.
vicky: wow AYWalton!
Selma: Loudoun National what...
Seventies Soulchild: Hello everyone!
alt: hello Seventies Soulchild
Selma: Afternoon seventies...
vicky: hi Seventies
Seventies Soulchild: alt, AYWalton, Professordru, Selma and vick vicky
AYWalton: it is an old cemetery in Baltimore. Funny thing the Baltimore National has no USCTs but Loudon National does. I think Baltimore National was created after WWI or II.
Professordru: howdy soulchile
AYWalton: hello SoulChile!
Seventies Soulchild: You all are going to laugh, but there is absolutely NO work for me to do today... I may take off early and head to the library for a couple of hours.
alt: hah hah LOL
Seventies Soulchild: lol alt
AYWalton: Vicky I like your Juneteenth post on your blog!
Seventies Soulchild: I read that this morning too... very nice oh sorry about the loss last night. . . what a clincher though!
Ingrid_Doweary: Good Afternoon everyone
Professordru: howdy ingrid
AYWalton: Howdy Ingrid!
vicky: thanks AYWalton, but I forgot to #Freedom. I got a msg lol
Seventies Soulchild: Hello Ingrid
Selma: Afternoon Ingrid..
AYWalton: Vicky I did not see any message. I got one too! Good gracious---too much to think about sometimes with all the newfangled stuff.
Seventies Soulchild: What are you all planning for Juneteenth? anything interesting going on in your cities?
AYWalton: I was lucky enough to get the post up at all.
Selma: AY..I thought you might be talking about Loudoun County..where is it in Baltimore...not that I remember that much
vicky: let me get find it AY brb
AYWalton: My hometown has a major Juneteenth fest---sponsored by the city.
Seventies Soulchild: All month AYWalton?
AYWalton: I have 10 Juneteenth links on my podcast site today. Going to put up links each week through Juneteenth week. no SoulChile, only for the weekend itself. and they have a blues festival on the River. The whole town participates---whites, blacks, Chicanos, and they even have an Asian rap group performing this year.
Seventies Soulchild: say what! :?
Selma: Hey seventies...Music is universal.. LOL
Seventies Soulchild: you had to end that with a laugh selma. . . lol
AYWalton: we have a sizeable Asian population in the city of Ft. Smith---that is because Ft. Chaffee was a major relocation center for Vietnamese, Cambodians, Laotians, Thais, etc, in the 1970s.
Seventies Soulchild: ah that's interesting.
Ingrid_Doweary: It sure is universal !lol
Selma: Oh.......AY I thought you were talking about Balitmore
AYWalton: I taught Vietnamese refugees English in 1975 (or was it 76?). Greetings VKN!!!!!!!!!!!
Seventies Soulchild: so did I. Hello all
AYWalton: no I was referring to Juneteenth in Ft. Smith.
vkn: Howdy all y'all
AYWalton: Now Loudon Cemetery---that is in Baltimore.
Selma: Afteroon vkn
Seventies Soulchild: well hello vkn
AYWalton: is is on the west side of Baltimore City.
vicky: hello Vkn
Professordru: hey vee
Ingrid_Doweary: Hey Vkn
Selma: Over by the reservoir?
vkn: Glad to see Dru, alt, ayw, ingrid, selma, seventies, vicky
Ingrid_Doweary: R you referring to Lake Montebello, Selma?
alt: hello vkn
AYWalton: likewise, VKN.
Selma: Oh I have no idea Ingrid..I lived off campus for 2 years...and there was a resevoir near by.. LOL
Ingrid_Doweary: Was that Morgan State U, Selma?
Selma: I watched the tanks roll by...when they had the riots in the 1960's..yes at Morgan
AYWalton: did you live near Druid Park, Selma?
alt: had a great group of about 20 AA seniors yesterday... presntation on UGRR here in clark county, had lunch and then toured a safe-house builr in 1851 and operated by an AA.
AYWalton: that is wonderful, alt. sounds like a good group, too.
Selma: Sounds great alt...
vkn: Grrrrreat alt
vicky: wonderful alt! Did you get a pic of the safe house?
alt: thanks, it was very nice, evenhad a cousin from columbus, Oh in the group
Selma: I am thinking of the name of the main street AY..might take me awhile tobring it back..
Ingrid_Doweary: That's good news, Alt.
Seventies Soulchild: Meeting the children for lunch. . . gotta run
AYWalton: Perring Parkway?
alt: yes, vicky think Ihave some photos of it on one of my sites... it is being resoted and will be used as an Interpetive Center on the UGRR here
AYWalton: (I don't really know Baltimore as well as I know Washington, though.) how are things VKN? Have to send you an email today.
vkn: as might be expected ayw thanx for asking we are working on chatrooms today
AYWalton: oh that's great! more fun changes coming??
vkn: Soooooo expect some changes by Sunday
AYWalton: Oooo.........sounds interesting!
vkn: We will delete the avatars from this room
AYWalton: ahhh ok.
alt: vicky,,,, Gammon House in the background of the top photo
Selma: Could you put the listing of names and rooms back onthe other side vkn.. LOL
vicky: thanks alt! got it
vkn: Well we can
AYWalton: lol making our brains switch sides. lol
Ingrid_Doweary: Thanks Alt. Need article.
Selma: Long article alt...will read later..
vkn: Trying to configure the two sites differently
alt: yes it is Selma
AYWalton: kind of like trying to drive in London, huh Selma? lol even walking is hard in London.
Selma: Its hard to switch the brain around The Obama's have gone home to Chicago for the weekend... Looking at the pictures on line
Ingrid_Doweary: Yup, even the 1st Family needs a break
AYWalton: yes, I saw that.
vicky: Has he let N O yet? Has he left NO yet?
vkn: Yall be good til Saturday night
alt: do we have to vkn LOL
vicky: geeze vkn too hard
khathu: Hello everyone
Selma: Afternoon Khathu
AYWalton: howdy khathu.
vicky: Our Prez can't seem to win for losing
alt: hey Y'all I still haven't sen anything "official" about the AAHGS conf. Have they announced anything yet?
vicky: hi there Khathu!
AYWalton: the call for paperes is out.
alt: Hello Khathu
AYWalton: I think they have a disconnect between the president and/or the web master. the page is terribly out of date.
Selma: Looks like it might be earlier in October then usual..or thats what I heard
AYWalton: plus they also are so behind in their journal. and it is in early October.
alt: I haven't even seen the CFP AYWalton
AYWalton: I think I got it in an email.
Selma: I think it will take this year..to get things back on track
Ingrid_Doweary: Hey Khathu
alt: wasn't going to submit one anyway, but.......
AYWalton: Now I see who does not listen to my podcast---I announced it a few weeks ago. lol here is the link, alt: http://aahgsnews.wordpress.com/2010/05/07/aahgs-annual-conference-call-for-papers-2010/
vicky: now is this different from the Indy Conference?
AYWalton: yes we are talking about the national AAHGS conference. the one in Indy was a mixture of groups, AAHGS and non-AAHGS folks.
khathu: i am now ready to submit my Sons of the Republic of Texas application
AYWalton: oh that's great, khathu!
Professordru: Angela, do you get the Family Tree magazine?
khathu: i received some tax records last night which identify my ancestors by name
AYWalton: Yes I usually purchase it when I see it. I bought 2 this week. the July issue is already on the newsstands. just reading the July issue.
Professordru: Wonder why? lol I was happy to see you in the latest issue.
AYWalton: me? I am? hmm..........I missed that----what was I doing?
khathu: these tax records only survived for 1854
AYWalton: (hoping I didn't shame the family!)
Professordru: yep--a piece about your YouTube videos. I'll see if I have my copy with me.
khathu: they were recently located in the courthouse storage
AYWalton: which month? shucks I need check it out!! Lawdy!!
alt: really Khathu.. they are actually named in the tax record... I've never seen that before.
AYWalton: (so glad my mama taught me to be on good behavior.)
Ingrid_Doweary: Khathu did your records come from the county real estate and tax listing book?
Professordru: I must have taken my copy out of my bag. I'll send you the issue number when I get home.
khathu: The tax payer had to submit a list of his taxable property i.e. land, slaves, live stock, wagons, etc. the slaves are listed by name, age and value
AYWalton: ok thanks, ProfessorDru. Since I didn't see it in the July issue, pulling out the May issue that I bought.
alt: Khathu.... that is a keeper!!!!!
khathu: Ingrid I am not sure since this was a book located in the county clerk storgae a few years ago
Professordru: I received this one in the mail last week. Didn't look at the issue month.
khathu: I was trying to figure out when this practice started and was it statewide
AYWalton: what state was that record, khathu?
alt: I sthis like a 'tax dulipcate"?. I'm familiar with those from the county Auditor's Office
khathu: So far these records have only been found in Red River County, Texas
Ingrid_Doweary: Stepping away and will return shortly.
khathu: It is not a tax dulipcate. It is like the tax payer is taking an oath in submitting his taxable property to the tax collector
AYWalton: that is a good find, though. Wish such things existed in the counties that I research.
Selma: Was this a Tax Law specific to Texas?
Professordru: gotta run
khathu: I am still researching the original of this document
Selma: Or 2 a specific law for that year?
vicky: interesting khathu
Selma: The Tax Collector is always with us...
khathu: the tax payer appeared before the tax collector and stated that the tax payer make oath that the following list is correct on the 1st day of January 1854
alt: yeah, my refind came back 400.00 short after the IRS reviewed it... We've got things to discuss LOL LOL LOL
khathu: then it list all of the taxable property the list even includes poll tax
AYWalton: lol @ alt.
alt: great document Khathu
AYWalton: Selma are you going to the event on June 26 in your area? I think Gina Paige and Rick Kittles will be there.
Selma: On the phone..BRB I plan to I will have company (son and grandkids), so I will have to see Do you or the folks there plan to transcibe the whole document Khathu..it sounds invaluable
alt: sure does Selma.. sounds like it is very valuable.
khathu: the local researcher stated that there was someone working with those documents but i am not sure what he is planning
vicky: khathu did you retrieve out of the box yorself
khathu: someone else found it about four years ago it was in a book which they had re-bind
Selma: So it is possible this type of record was done in all the counties during that year.
vicky: Heyyy AmosNY
Selma: Afternoon Amos
AYWalton: howdy AmosNY!
AmosNY: Hey Vicky,Selma,Angela,Khathu!!
khathu: It is possible Selma. I believe it was done for much longer Unfortunately only 1854 has been located
alt: a great example of don't tell me my folks weren't in the records!!!! and by name.... great find Khathu!!!
vicky: what was the title again Khathu. Does it just say Tax Roll for that county
khathu: I don't have the name but i will get it to you soon
Ingrid_Doweary: Hi everyone, I've returned.
AmosNY: Heyy Ingrid!
vicky: wb ingrid!
khathu: Taxable property list
Ingrid_Doweary: Thanks Amos and Vicky,
AmosNY: I just got back from brunch.
Ingrid_Doweary: That's what I thought Khathu. I saw and copied tax property listings for my mother's maternal ggrandfather and and another ancestor also on my mother's side. Bye Amos
Selma: Early personal property records for VA beginning in 1782 for many VA counties includes slaves First names... Personal Property Tax records
AYWalton: I have to run folks. Have a great holiday weekend. Will catch some of you in chats on Sat/Sun.
alt: so in a sense there were 'registers for both FPOC AND Slaves.
khathu: Selma when did this practice stop
Selma: Not quite.. It only last for a couple of years...and not all did...so its not easy to make a leap from the 1800's back to that point
khathu: i was hoping it continued into the 1800s
alt: okay,,, and most FPOC registers in the South started after Nat Turner, right? or ealry 1800's
Selma: FN Registers in VA begin in 1793...
alt: okay Selma
Selma: Many or most don't start until early 1800's, Southampton starts as soon as the Law was passed... Then there are Commissioner of the Revenue Lists which also records Free Blacks that begins in 1806
alt: 1793, this was in conjuction with the fugitive Slave Law of 1793?
khathu: Vicky - i was informed that it was located in the District Court Office
vicky: ok thx khathu
Selma: Some counties don't keep separate registers, folks are recorded in the County Court Order books
alt: okay, but they have US accounted for somewhere in the county records, right? LOL lOL
Selma: OH yes....the idea was to know where "you" were...at all times..
alt: free or Slave
khathu: The County Commissioner Court handled the taxes in Texas
alt: gotta run y'all hope to see ya Sat nite and/or Sun morning.
Selma: Bye alt..
AmosNY: bye alt!
Selma: I gotta run too...everyone have a great day
khathu: have a great weekend everyone
vicky: lol calling Harrison County now Khathu dang I need to really get a tying tutor
Ingrid_Doweary: Perhaps you could share the info with Khathu next, Vicky. time.
vicky: I will but its this two finger typing that gets me lol
Ingrid_Doweary: lol I understand.
vicky: time for me to head out. I need to cruise the boards and FB, then pick up grandson from school have a great one ya'll
Ingrid_Doweary: You do the same, Vicky. Well, Amos I bid you adieu.
Ingrid_Doweary: have a great weekend.