AYWalton: Hey there Bernice!!! Have you come down from last night's show?
bbenn: Hi Angela
AYWalton: You did a great job balancing!! Hello One Drop
bbenn: Thanks and you were fantastic!
AYWalton: welcome to the WDYTYA chat room on AFriGeneas.
One Drop: hi am I late
bbenn: Hi One Drop
One Drop: hi
AYWalton: and so it begins.... Hello there, mavisj!
bbenn: hi mavisj
mavisj: good evening everyone
AYWalton: glad you could join us.
One Drop: hi mavisj
AYWalton: He looks better without a mustache.
bbenn: One Drop- are you new to the chat room?
One Drop: yes to this one
AYWalton: an army colonel's son. I did not know that. Interesting. you are most welcome then to join us, One Drop.
One Drop: thank you
AYWalton: beautiful mother.
One Drop: yes
AYWalton: welcome keli
keli: Good evening Virginia roots
AYWalton: The wall of 1870, we are all familiar with it.
mavisj: yes the wall
bbenn: asking the right questions..what do you know and what do you want to know?
J Mark Lowe: Good evening folks
AYWalton: is that African Ancestry's kit or FamilyTreeDNA's kit? Mark!!! So glad you could join us!
J Mark Lowe: Ancestry DNA
bbenn: Hello J Mark Lowe
AYWalton: ahhh ok. Nice to have you hear, Mark! LVA---a great place!
J Mark Lowe: Wanted to watch this search with friends. Joe Shumway is great
AYWalton: hear = here. (I really do know how to spell) lol are those co-habitation records?
J Mark Lowe: Love VA marriage registers
AYWalton: greetings, vkn!!!
vkn: Howdy all
keli: HI Mark and Vicki. Yes it looks like it Angela
AYWalton: I was wondering.
J Mark Lowe: Looks like regular marriage registers. Stay tuned.
bbenn: how far back have they traced his family?
AYWalton: Greetings, Selma!!!
Selma: Would folks please stop staying there are no records...UGH Good evening folks
AYWalton: ahhh.........interesting. a mental hospital.
vkn: AYW, BBenn J Mark Lowe Keli1 mavisJ Selma
keli: Hi Selma
AYWalton: Sauny, a name that appears in many variations.
Selma: Good evening folks..
mavisj: hi vkn
bbenn: Hello Selma, Keli, vkn,
J Mark Lowe: Hi VKN,Keli, Vicki, BBenn, Angela, & all
AYWalton: Is the Ancestry test a new test?
Selma: Did they give any time frames for when these events take place?
AYWalton: I recognized the colors on the kit (clearly from Ancestry) but did not recognize the kit per se.
bbenn: Is it the admixture test?
mavisj: Angela, ancestry has been doing dna testing for awhile
J Mark Lowe: Yes, they said it would be released now. Haven't seen the press release. Asked about today. No answer yet.
vkn: evpace howdy
mavisj: I tested with them first.
keli: Hi Bernice!
AYWalton: I will be very curious to see how they break through the Wall of 1870 and what kind of documents they use for that.
evpace: Evenjng all!
mavisj: be back. mom's calling. need to call her back since she had surgery earlier this week
Selma: There is a Census for Lynchburg
AYWalton: (hope she is on the mend, mavisj)
keli: Hi Evpace..
vkn: mavisj prayers for good health
AYWalton: Selma or keli, are you familiar with that facility
HistoryBuff: Hey All
AYWalton: hello HistoryBuff
vkn: HiatoryBuff howdy
AYWalton: Ok I was wondering if he was going to mention looking at the 1860 census.
J Mark Lowe: Blacksmiths were financial centers for former slave communities in Tennessee after emancipation.
AYWalton: Ahh yes, the Wall of 1870--we all know about that.
HistoryBuff: Was it the first year African descent persons could vote?
AYWalton: depended on location HistoryBuff. varied from state to state.
keli: I missed it, which facility?
AYWalton: good use of newspapers.
HistoryBuff: Okay. Varied with their state legislature?
AYWalton: petiferous, my goodness!!! pestiferous.
vkn: vicjorob howdy
AYWalton: well looks like our brother just "up and lost his mind," as folks say.
HistoryBuff: Something aggravated Sawday. Hey Vicjorob.
AYWalton: kind of sad.
J Mark Lowe: Wow, what records!
keli: Oh my he was touched a bit!
AYWalton: slightly!! wow he kept making headlines.
VicJoRob: Hi all. Real interesting story tonight
keli: we all have one in our tree somewhere!
J Mark Lowe: ... bigger news?
AYWalton: something probably made him lose it. Perhaps they found it.
bbenn: Yes we do!
HistoryBuff: I did see the beginning. Something set him off.
VicJoRob: keli- it was the Central VA Hospital in Petersburg VA
J Mark Lowe: We often *fail* to look at mental hospitals and such. Often records aren't available, but when they are...
mavisj: Ok, I'm back. What did I miss?
AYWalton: Well I suppose if you have to lose it, one may as well have illusions of grandeur.
HistoryBuff: Hey Mavis
AYWalton: Lots mavisj.
keli: I know of Western State but not family with that one.
J Mark Lowe: How old was he when he shot this guy. 50?
AYWalton: I have found when searching on Ancestry, to use the relationship of patient or inmate--it often brings up various institutions that I did not know existed.
VicJoRob: at AYWalton
evpace: He was driven out of his mind if the story is true! The reconstruction era was traumatic for many, especially in Va.
HistoryBuff: Keli1, the facility was Jones Memorial Library Genealogy and History Library in Lynchburg , Virginia.
AYWalton: oh quite true, evpace. who knows what he may have witnessed.
HistoryBuff: That you asked about earlier.
VicJoRob: keli -- apparently the first black mental hospital in VA, opened right after the Civil War
AYWalton: He lived through an err in which many horrendous things occurred. Does anyone recall his age in 1870/
keli: wow, the first one...interesting, now we have our own hospital.
J Mark Lowe: Amazing this man lived thru this - considering the conditions & attitudes. Maybe they feared him for his *mental* condition.
VicJoRob: My youngest and I are fascinated that Underwood's parents live in Petersburg. My oldest is going to college down there.
Selma: There was a mental instituttion in Williamsburg
AYWalton: I wonder if he had been in the war. Could he have had Post traumatic war syndrome?
Sonia: Hi everyone!
VicJoRob: AYWalton - he was 45
AYWalton: ahhh it returns..........
keli: I see folks like him running around Cville!
HistoryBuff: Probably his life also. Hey Sonia.
AYWalton: he was of age to have been in the war, then. NYTimes? what year was that?
keli: What I am curious to know, if folks were shipped to Central state hospital from other areas throughout the state
AYWalton: oh poor Sauny..... gracious.
J Mark Lowe: 1884
AYWalton: ahhh he was injured.
evpace: I don't believe it!
keli: now how many times has Sawney been shot?
AYWalton: several times it appears.
J Mark Lowe: "divine inspiration"
keli: geography, love the maps to piece the puzzle together
AYWalton: now is Sauney his gr. gr. gr. grandfather? A conjurer? hmm..............
VicJoRob: Yes, 3rd gg
AYWalton: ok, now are we jumping just a bit?
VicJoRob: AYWalton -- no, he is going to visit the places where Sauney was shot
AYWalton: yes I am following that........
bbenn: Good research...
HistoryBuff: Over property, eh?
Sonia: Though you can imagine that certain behaviors might keep others from messing with you
mavisj: Wow, very interesting
keli: cow keeps coming on his land
VicJoRob: One of the better stories presented
AYWalton: but where is the evidence of his being a conjurer?
Selma: Conjurer..kinda stretching it to me
HistoryBuff: I 'll bet his mind is swimming.
J Mark Lowe: Testimony of court case shows a family farmer protecting family Conjurer?
keli: that testimate was dated 1875
AYWalton: indeed a stretch.
evpace: AMEN! Dx him as psychotic.
AYWalton: Just the imaginings of the man driving him around? hmm...........
HistoryBuff: This reminds me of Alex Haley's paternal grandmother Queen Jaconson Haley.
AYWalton: and they stopped!!
VicJoRob: Conjurer is what the researcher thinks he was, based on what Sauney presented himself to be (second Jesus), as well as the description of his clothing on one account
keli: Pretty Virginia
HistoryBuff: Lucky Duck
AYWalton: not enough evidence, many people thought many persons of color were not "normal" whatever normal means.
keli: as Selma S. says-all roads lead to Virginia!
AYWalton: yes, I was thinking about Selma.
J Mark Lowe: many white women were hospitalized too.
Selma: I have taught you all well .. LOL
keli: yes ma'am you have taught us well. I continue to be a student!
J Mark Lowe: There are good records in the counties of Tenn for committals.
VicJoRob: lol @ Selma
AYWalton: I have to work the word "pestiferous" into my vocabulary. lol
evpace: My maternal ancestors are from the Lynchburg area/Campbell County,Va and most are burried there.
AYWalton: but that was a good use of newspapers.
Selma: Very good use of newspapers..interesting it was in the NY Times
J Mark Lowe: Selma, find amazing small clips from around the country in NYT. Amazing and online.
VicJoRob: We shouldn't limit our searches to local papers only. Regional ones often carried stories of interest
Selma: Mark...putting women in asylums a good way to take over her money
AYWalton: ...abd we are back......
Selma: Oh jeez..he was a free black in the register..Delaware
VicJoRob: What a name -- Delaware
keli: they did that to one of my relatives in Michigan, the wife fed her hubby ground glass, then they called him crazy and locked him up
Selma: One of the lines I research are Scotts in that area..they were free
AYWalton: a cooper. interesting.
keli: barrel maker
evpace: OH..my maiden name is Scott and I knew Lynchburg Scotts Selma on the block where your in-laws lived.
AYWalton: he had some property.
VicJoRob: Selma -- ever did Westovers?
AYWalton: ok evpace you and Selma will be connected soon.
J Mark Lowe: Coopers also make wheel staves and whiskey barrels.
AYWalton: glad he is enjoying the genealogical ride.
AYWalton: greetings, Dr.Blakemore, to the AfriGeneas chat.
vkn: howdy dr blakemore
keli: I wonder if Dred Scott's folks were from the same area?
AYWalton: ahhh yes, the Free Negro Register!! born free.
AYWalton: so his mother was free, which makes sense.
Sonia: wow - 1820s free
Selma: Cause she was fre
DrBlakemore: Hello all
vkn: Born free
keli: Hi DrBlakemore
AYWalton: exactly. she looks familiar.
HistoryBuff: Hey Dr. Blakenmore. I like Blair's questions
vkn: DrBlakemore glad you joined us
AYWalton: good legibility on documents. and they are NOT using gloves. Delaware Scott---I like that name.
keli: Virginia History Society I believe has 10 volumes you can order on line, I think they are $40
Selma: If they were free after 1806..they had to leave the state
HistoryBuff: extraordinary indeed.
AYWalton: yes, and put on the auction block.
vkn: None seem to use gloves
VicJoRob: Great education on the Black Laws of VA
HistoryBuff: I've heard that before.
AYWalton: Umbles? Probably Judd is Judy.
keli: I post Black Laws of Va on our AAHGS Central VA facebook page
AYWalton: good information, thanks to good VA records. wow Blair Underwood keeps finding amazing things on his lines!
VicJoRob: Yes, VA clerks of the court received very good instructions about how to organize its records.
AYWalton: ahhh back to Lynchburg.
Sonia: Loving those maiden names - precious.
AYWalton: I wonder if he had Patriot ancestors.
HistoryBuff: Me too.
keli: wow 200 acres!
AYWalton: quite a few.
vkn: very substantial
AYWalton: probably family as what happened in many cases.
VicJoRob: Owned his family members
AYWalton: often that was a way of keeping them from being sold.
DrBlakemore: That would make sense
Sonia: Yep that's what I'm thinking - post 1806
HistoryBuff: Probably to establish their eventual freedom.
keli: Slavery in that light was a way to protect them
VicJoRob: What I like about this episode is that it doesn't seem forced, trying to show similiarities between the celebrity and their ancestors. This is just plain research!
HistoryBuff: I concur
J Mark Lowe: Love the church bldg, but wonder why they moved records out of their place.
AYWalton: that was missing in the first episode with Martin Sheen.
HistoryBuff: Hey ProfDru
vkn: Howdy ProfDru
ProfDru: hello gang--full house
J Mark Lowe: They have brought in some new directors this year.
VicJoRob: Hello ProfDru
Sonia: Hi ProfDru
bbenn: Hi ProDru
AYWalton: Greetings ProfDru
vkn: J Mark Lowe how can you tell
keli: Hi Dru!
DrBlakemore: Hi there ProfDru
AYWalton: I also like how they have the guest actually thinking and conducting some of their own research.
VicJoRob: vkn -- he probably reads the credits lol
J Mark Lowe: The records were tax records. Not located in a church. They often film in a different location for effect.
AYWalton: Clearly Blair Underwood was really analyzing things.
VicJoRob: Yoo bad this is not 2 hours long
vkn: ahhhhh thanx J Mark Lowe
ProfDru: The Blair Underwood episode is great!
Sonia: I'll bet his brother who's been researching has been keeping him posted all along.
J Mark Lowe: This should have been the FIRST episode. Great!!!!
keli: I agree ProDru... enjoying it
HistoryBuff: me 2 Sonia
vkn: It truly is ProfDru
DrBlakemore: Right, J Mark!
keli: Mark, it should have been
vkn: Howdy Sonia
Sonia: Hi vkn!
AYWalton: he is really studying the document.
bbenn: That's a family member!
AYWalton: she explains this very clearly.
Selma: Thats why you have to know the LAW of the states you research
Sonia: "You take care of your own."
bbenn: One died.
VicJoRob: AYWalton -- so right. One of the best I've seen on this show
keli: parents, I am loving this
J Mark Lowe: Love the extended explanations.
evpace: What Law is this? I didnt jot it.
AYWalton: she did an excellent job at explaining a very complicated situation, and he got it!!!!
Selma: If you are freed after May 1, 1806 you had to leave the state..
keli: Okay time to get to Africa!
Selma: or petition the Legislature to stay..and they were flooded with petitions
Sonia: y-dna or the new autosomal
Selma: Many were granted..after Nat Turner..many were forced to leave
AYWalton: good points made re DNA
keli: My same areas
Sonia: autosomal BGA Francais - Nice W. African chart
AYWalton: west Africa---no surprise there.
VicJoRob: In Loudoun County the state tried to arrest the sheriff for failure to issue indictments against freed blacks who stayed more than a year after manumission. My ancestor was indicted
AYWalton: Sonjowoh---where is th at from? Camerounian.
Selma: oh wow
keli: Love it....
Selma: What DNA company is this?
HistoryBuff: I love it 2.
VicJoRob: Take your brother.
Sonia: I think Ancestry.com is starting their own autosomal test.
AYWalton: I dno't think that was African Ancestry, butnot sure.
keli: I wanna go...my folks are Tikar
VicJoRob: oh well, father will do.
vkn: oh really ?
Selma: father will do.. LOL
HistoryBuff: He's going to Cameeron
AYWalton: cute children.
AYWalton: they look like us. lol
keli: They are us!
HistoryBuff: Look he gets the prodigal son welcom. :}
AYWalton: I am curious which test they used to find the cousin?
evpace: I love it!
Sonia: Me too Angela
AYWalton: and one cannot help but wonder how far back their common ancestor was.
keli: I don't know, would that be like the 23andme tests,
VicJoRob: AYWalton THey had both submitted their DNA to a database and that is where they were matched up
vkn: So connecting with real people is possible
bbenn: I wonder how many people to tested to find a match?
VicJoRob: AYWalton -- they said it was about 10 generations back to late 1600s / early 1700s
J Mark Lowe: http://dna.ancestry.com/ says new test is coming soon
bbenn: Maybe they found the match through the Sorenson database.
Sonia: I definitely want to know more about what type of test & how many markers - STRs? SNPs?
VicJoRob: Well, the firm was Ancestry DNA
Sonia: bbenn - good idea
AYWalton: I know that Dr. Kittles has a large African database, but do the other companies have such a database?
Selma: They are probably adding as fast as they can AY
AYWalton: thanks for the link Mark.
Sonia: Dr. Kittles has y-dna & mtDNA. Do they have autosomal dna now?
HistoryBuff: Thanks Mark.
AYWalton: they look like some folks I know. lol
Sonia: happy tears.
HistoryBuff: I love this picture.
AYWalton: his father looks like one of the people.
J Mark Lowe: cousins are cousins - no matter where they are
keli: for sure Mark
AYWalton: where is the translator?
HistoryBuff: I like that - 'forced migration'.
Sonia: Eric chose to test to help us.
keli: oh interesting he said they didn't keep records.
AYWalton: how nice
HistoryBuff: Man, 7 years later.
AYWalton: HistoryBuff haven't you used that expression?
evpace: They subcontract with Dr.Kittles is my understanding.
keli: sniff sniff...I bet that was Kittles and African Ancestry...back in 2005
HistoryBuff: I'm beginning to since listening to your last podcast.
AYWalton: I think so too. He looks good in his agbada.
vkn: HistoryBuff I say "we were migrated"
AYWalton: both are correct, vkn. so well stated.
evpace: Kittles owna his data base.
Selma: Hey where's seventies?
HistoryBuff: But the term migration is new to me as a descendant of captive prisoners of war.
bbenn: Africa is born in us!
keli: Wow...loved this one!...
bbenn: Good show!
vkn: Very rewarding
mavisj: this was a wonderful episode
HistoryBuff: Rewarding indeed.
Selma: It was well done
J Mark Lowe: Amen mavis!
Sonia: Excellent. Great sharing it with everyone here, too.
HistoryBuff: I was quite educational.
bbenn: time for geneabloggers! Goodnight everyone! Thanks Angela1
vkn: indeed great ayw
VicJoRob: Yes on all accounts
keli: see you all there
AYWalton: good show!!!
mavisj: goodnight all
AYWalton: thank you all for joining us!!!!
HistoryBuff: Goodnite all.
VicJoRob: Nite all
J Mark Lowe: goodnight. Thanks all
ProfDru: gotta run-- I will be on geneabloggers radio tonight
vkn: niters all
Selma: Whose on genebloggers
AYWalton: have a great evening everyone.
Sonia: Good night!
DrBlakemore: Good night everyone
evpace: Night all.
Selma: Good night Hey Mizz Pace