2012-02-10 AYW presenting in STLOMO
daviss: well howdy there vkn!
alt: Hi ladies & Good Friday to ya
daviss: Hi alt!!
vkn: Howdy to you mz daviss and brother alt
daviss: same to you partner alt
alt: want some snow? we're getting a liitle
vkn: Did y'all listen to blog radio last night?
alt: I missed it vkn
daviss: nawwww lol we have enough of a chill here as it is lol lol
vkn: oops bring a note alt
daviss: no, I also missed it vkn. I had my head in the DC's trying to find folks
alt: yes ma'am ... Anita had a honey-do..... that needed to be done LOL
vkn: It was well done but crowd was down to 12 Honey Do comes first lol
alt: and i know it!!!!! Lol
daviss: does that also include the ones that did not come inside to the room
vkn: Not that familiar with protocols daviss so I cannot say
alt: daviss, got your email on Cleveland help.. will send you some links that might be of help on death records, burials, etc,
daviss: I dont think I came in on the first blog radio that I listened to vkn until I learned how to get into the room ok thanks alt. trying to help lady in my group
alt: hope we can help daviss.
daviss: me too alt!
vkn: Well I sign in via facebook and comment back to FB
fierybug08: hello everyone...*virtual wave* to daviss alt VKN
alt: is y'all African-Americans, Black or what?
daviss: well if it isn't fierybug08!!! hello there
alt: Hi fierybug08 *virtual wave* back atcha LOL
fierybug08: *face palm* I'm in school right now...so I am anti-social
vkn: fierybug08 howdy you been missing
fierybug08: I miss you all VERY much.
daviss: I think thats what I did the next time vkn whats been up with you fiery?
fierybug08: I found out that my family is having a family reunion in May-- Louisville, MS
vkn: fierybug08 and we LOVE you too lol
fierybug08: and I found another surname... Orsby? Does that sound familiar?
daviss: Oh wow fierybug08, are you gonna go
alt: hmmnnn ,, never heard of Louisville MS.... Alabama, Ohio & Kentucky, but not MS.
fierybug08: I am hoping and praying. If I do...then I will probably skip Summer school
vkn: vicjorob hope you are keeping company with better health
daviss: hello vicjorob!!
alt: hello vicjorob
vicjorob: Hello everyone WB fierybug
daviss: mabe it wil be the holiday weekend fierybug and you may not have to miss school
fierybug08: yep...Louisville, MS. Mother's Day weekend too. Hi vicjorob
vkn: alt there is a louisville everywhere
alt: Selma's post on Goings & the UGRR had some intersting twist to it for me..... very interesting.
fierybug08: Yep...there is an Atlanta, Texas
Seventies Soulchild: Good afternoon lunchbunchers.
fierybug08: hi Seventies Soulchild
alt: I guess vkn... like Springfield is everywhere.
vkn: Howdy Seventies Soulchild
alt: Hello Seventies Soulchild
Seventies Soulchild: hey alt, daviss, fierybug08, vicjorob and vkn
daviss: hi there Seventies Soulchild
vicjorob: Hi 70s
fierybug08: Could you imagine if we could only use one name once? Pretty crazy huh? If I see another Main Street, I'm going to go nuts. lol
vkn: alt great Goings exchange with Selma.
Seventies Soulchild: lol fierybug08. But if you get on one in every city you will never get lost.
daviss: I am scratching my head on Atlanta Texas... trying to figure out why it seems familar
vkn: Unless you are in Detroit Seventies.
fierybug08: well...its near Texarkana...North East Texas
daviss: oh ok thanx fierybug08...Is it near Hooks what have you found out about Ornsby fierybug?
fierybug08: nope not yet
daviss: sounds like a odd name so hopefully you will be very lucky
fierybug08: I'm trying to contact the organizers now
vkn: Who is the celeb for the WDYTYA this evening?
AYWalton: Good afternoon, all.
alt: Hello AYWalton
daviss: Hi there AYWalton
AYWalton: howdy alt, daviss, fierybug08, SoulChile, vicjorob. Greetings, vkn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
fierybug08: hi AYWalton
vicjorob: vkn - Marissa Tomeii
vkn: Hey Hey Hey AYW ey ey ey
AYWalton: hope all is well down in GA, vkn!
daviss: How's it going AyWalton!!
vkn: all is well mostly ayw
AYWalton: ah yes, WDYTYA is on tonight. I hope it is better than last week's which was a big flat.
vkn: vicjorob claim to fame fot Marissa ?
daviss: lol so everyone says
vicjorob: vkn -- she played the girl friend in My Cousin Vinny in the movie
vkn: ok thankee vicjorob
vicjorob: She won an Oscar for her role of the New Joisey girl who knew so much about cars
alt: and I think that's all I know her for vicjorob
alt: course I'm not much of a movie fan.
vicjorob: She was in a bunch of movies in the early 90s, including one with Robert Downey Jr (Chaplin), The Wrestler, etc.
daviss: and the next Fri it should be Blair Underwood
AYWalton: I will be watching it next week from St. Louis
Seventies Soulchild: back.... :}
AYWalton: I don't think I have ever watched Maria Tormei in anything, although I have heard her name.
alt: AYWalton, found Ennis Champ Warrick .. Rick Barrett's grandfather's grandfather in the 1850 census with his slave owner... Ennis Champ.. how bout that for a naming convention?
Seventies Soulchild: Marisa Tomeii played in "A Different world" I believe for 2 seasons.
AYWalton: wow how about that!! That is quite interesting!
daviss: oh really seventies
vkn: What is the event in StLoMo ayw and will you see Richard Schaffer?
Seventies Soulchild: yes daviss I believe the 2nd season of the show
AYWalton: I am speaking at the St. Louis African American Genealogical Society Conference, vkn.
vkn: Howdy HistoryBuff
AYWalton: I am excited for the trip, as I will also be given a tour of some historic cemeteries.
HistoryBuff: Hey Alt, AYWalton, Daviss, Fierybug08, Seventies, VicJoRob and Vkn.
daviss: How was the Blog Radio show last night AYWalton.. I am sorry I missed it
AYWalton: I asked about seeing the gravesite of Dred Scott and Harriet Scott.
daviss: Hello HistoryBuff
Seventies Soulchild: Hey HistoryBuff and hey AYWalton
AYWalton: about 10 of us will be doing some historic cemetery tours on Friday.
vkn: Terrific AYW
HistoryBuff: Oh that's wonderful to hear AYWalton. I'm excited for you.
AYWalton: it was interesting, daviss. I will be giving the Keynote and also two presentations. Bernice Bennett will also be there.
daviss: watch out for ants AYWalton lol
vkn: Waaaaayyyy to go AYW
AYWalton: Will do t hat, daviss!!!
AYWalton: and then Friday evening I will be a guest on Geneabloggers radio program. Will do that from my hotel room.
AYWalton: do it will be a busy weekend.
vicjorob: Congrats AYW!
daviss: You will be very busy but rewarding
AYWalton: yes, and I am looking forward to it.
HistoryBuff: See AYWalton. I told you that you are a lady on the move. :}
alt: hope the St. Louis weather is better than last year for you AYWalton
AYWalton: gee thanks HistoryBuff, but sometimes I prefer to just slow down and rest! I hope so too, alt.
HistoryBuff: Of course.
daviss: Is RS in St. Louis.. I wonder if he will attend
AYWalton: If he is aware of it.
HistoryBuff: Will that be next Friday in St. Louis, AY?
AYWalton: the 18th-Saturday. I have the information on my podcast! Today's podcast is already uploaded.
vicjorob: Have a meeting. Gotta go. You all have a good weekend.
AYWalton: africanrootspodcast.com later vicjorob
alt: someone yesterday mentioned wax museum's.. they have a great one in St. Louis.
HistoryBuff: Okay I'll be on the look out. Next thursday evening will be an exciting for me also. Cya VicJorob. Thanks AY.
AYWalton: I have not seen Richard Shaeffer, of late, has he been around?
daviss: come to think of it, I have not seen him in chat
HistoryBuff: That is RCS isn't it?
daviss: Hope he is well
AYWalton: hey Mizz Selma!!!!
Seventies Soulchild: Hey Selma
alt: I've seen a couple postings by him on FB in the past week or so.
daviss: yes HistoryBuff
HistoryBuff: Hey Selma, good to see you.
Selma: Good friday afternoon everyone...
daviss: Hello Selma!!
alt: Hi Ms. Selma
AYWalton: It would be neat for him to come to the conference. This is their 3rd Annual Conference. They are truly a group on the move.
Selma: Maybe someone could send him and email and check and see if he plans to come
AYWalton: I think he is on FB, I shall send him a message there.
alt: about ho many folks do they have in their group (memebrship)? any idea?
Selma: Just read your post alt...interesting how these threads intertwine
daviss: ok AYWalton
AYWalton: They have well over 100. When I spoke there before over 100 came and some joined that day.
alt: Yes Selma... the places. locations & time periods all match up. that's a nice sizes goup!!!! 100+
daviss: wow thats a nice group AYWalton!
Selma: Sure is a good sizie group AY
AYWalton: I will take photos and blog about the experience. If possible I might make a video from the events.
alt: now that is multi-tasking.... presenting, photos & vidoes LOL
Seventies Soulchild: ok lunch time is over. AYWalton have a good time in St. Louis.
AYWalton: well I won't be filming myself lol only others! Lol
Selma: Are we chatting tonite
AYWalton: yes we will be, Selma.
vkn: howdy selma
AYWalton: hope you will join us.
HistoryBuff: One of my cousins, a fellow researcher is coming to the DC area for business. We're having dinner on Thursday to plan a genealogy session for the upcoming Cummings Family Reunion in Chicago this August.
Selma: Yes, I will be here
HistoryBuff: Even if I'm not able to join the chat, I will be watching the program.
alt: best wishes with the planning HistoryBuff
AYWalton: that sounds like fun with the cousin, HistoryBuff
daviss: genealogy session... now that should be a goodie
vkn: much best planning HistoryBuff
HistoryBuff: It will be. Started the discuss last October.
daviss: I better run folks. Tyler's school lets out early today
AYWalton: later daviss
HistoryBuff: Cya Daviss
daviss: have a great rest of the day
HistoryBuff: My plan is make the session interactive and an applied learning experience.
AYWalton: I was reading an odd article where a genealogist was judging (and not so favorably) Herman Gutman's book, "The Black Family in Slavery and Freedom."
Selma: vkn..when I posted on the Genealogy Forum yesterday, my posting did not show immediately, am I doing something wrong..it has happened before
HistoryBuff: What the author's issue, AY?
Selma: Where was that AY
AYWalton: It was on a blog. Have to find the link.
vkn: i saw that selma
AYWalton: will send it described a "weakness" of Gutman's research.
alt: AYWalton, the kinda 'irks' me .. folks knocking the work of Gutman & others that was done 40-50-60 years ago with 'today's" information availibity and technology.. same with Woodson's census work done in the 1920's.
HistoryBuff: Where did you read the article, AYWalton? I would like to read it also.
AYWalton: I can email it.
Selma: Gutman's book made me appreciate footnotes and bibliographies..he sent me places I would not have gone
vkn: gutman is the guy ayw most reliable work but as you know all research has questions
alt: yes Selma... those works need to be 'appreciated' for their everlasting value and not compared to today's capabilities.
AYWalton: I think that as genealogists we have to remember that we are researchers, and we know how to find records but that does not make us historians.
HistoryBuff: Okay. I find it interesting also. I've recently searching for articles written by Dr. Woodson, stating the need for Black history research and recognition.
Selma: I look to them for the "context" in which I research these folks..
HistoryBuff: Okay, but historians also research and analyze history and it documentation.
alt: there you go Selma!!!
Selma: I don't always agree with their conclusions
AYWalton: historical context is important.
vkn: historians tell a story but not the whole story
HistoryBuff: I could appreciate that Selma. After it's that that individual's perspective.
alt: it was Gutman who blew the whistle on the same slave master/slave surnaming practices years and years ago.
AYWalton: quite true.
HistoryBuff: Oh tha's probably the basis for some contention.
AYWalton: they provide the historical landscape. We as family historians sort out the details on that landscape. wb Selma. need a seat belt?
HistoryBuff: wb Selma Okay. So it still is possible to serve as a genealogist and historian?
alt: and the King Carter, Samuel Gist, John Randolph manumission's prove his point.... thousands of slave freed by those 3 men and very, very few took those surnames. as just 3 examples is the 'crtique' on the Examiner AYWalton?
AYWalton: I would assume, but with the years of training to be an historian and the skill set in historical research and analysis, including statistical analysis of carefully collected data, I yield to historians to be called such. I call myself a genealogist. no alt
alt: okay AYWalton, thanks
HistoryBuff: I comprehend your point, AYWalton. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
AYWalton: I think that sometimes because we work with historic records, we use the term historian, but the research, Lit Review and data analysis to prove a single thesis sets historians in a different category. but that's just my opinion.
HistoryBuff: I'm on the same page with you, now. Point well taken.
alt: yep, John Hope Franklin was an Historian... we be's genealogist's interested in family history for example
AYWalton: quite true.
HistoryBuff: I appreciate how you put the distinction into context.
Selma: The discussion using Gutman is probably part of a larger discussion of "professonial genealogists" who feel that their efforts are not as well appreciated in the professional field Interesting that it is focused on Gutman..
AYWalton: I think it is because so many of us use Gutman and mention his work.
alt: I wonder if Ira Berlin fits into the author's category with gutman?
Selma: Actually I have read any number of books..where I have questioned conclusions they have made, because it was not supported by the records I saw..
HistoryBuff: You know I keep harping on improving upon a venue that fundamentally a good purpose. As usual you all have made excellents points.
Selma: The common assumption that the earliest free blacks were the children of white men..in fact from Heinnegs work we now know that they were children of white women
AYWalton: I agree, with that Selma, and of course one can find data to support one's thesis. But at least the data should be presented in a format based on one's analysis. that's true.
HistoryBuff: Good question, Alt. Sometimes Berlin has misquoted primary sources.
AYWalton: and Heinegg's info was based on data collected.
Selma: To be sure the majority of Mulatto children were the childrern of white men..but they were not making a family they were making a labor pool
HistoryBuff: That's the significant distinction-primary records.
AYWalton: the distinction was status and class. Mulatto children mostly fathered by white males, whereas mulatto free people mostly birthed by white females.
alt: also the point of Mr. Heniegg's work is mostly pre-1800.
AYWalton: But the assumption is that black = slave and therefore mulatto = slave = white father. (if that makes sense) When did the practice of indentured servitude deminish? I would assume that also added to a change in the planation culture.
alt: it does to me AYWalton and then when you throw in the NA mixture you get another picture.
AYWalton: the period of time that Berlin calls Phase 3 of slavery.
Selma: Yes alt..it was pre 1800..but it lays the foundation for the "free" non white populaiton
AYWalton: maybe slightly alt. I don't think it was that widespread, since so many NA communities had been exposed to European culture and European genes entered NA communities from the 1500s onward. Hunters, traders, furreirs etc. furreirs =furriers
alt: I know Selma... and the argument against Paul is based on post-1820 situations.
Selma: I don't understand?
alt: Pual points out the early mixing of black men/white women.. later arguments are 'plantation based and deal with the notion of white men/black woman. Pual=Paul
Selma: I still don't understand..
AYWalton: what Selma?
Selma: The plantation based white men and black women was going in the 1600's and 1700's..but these children were not FREE
alt: and Pual also gets into the free/indenture/slave combinations whereas most others are only dealing with slave situations. I know that too Selma many of my ancestors of products of that scenario.
Selma: So you mean his focus has "only" been on that combination
alt: no, the focus of others has been white men/black women.
Selma: Ok folks..have to run, have to continue this discussion another time
alt: will do, I hope LOL
HistoryBuff: Cya Selma
Selma: Hopefully will see you all this evening
alt: well, guess it's that time '' y'all take care.
HistoryBuff: If my home wifi works at that time. I'll be there. Cya Alt.
HistoryBuff: Until later, Vkn. goodbye.