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2012-01-11 Williams Pension • RG105


Start: 12:03:32
End: 13:06:50
Chatters: alt, AYWalton, daviss, fierybug08, freeaainnc, HistoryBuff, Khathu, kim, Selma, Seventies Soulchild

Seventies Soulchild: Hi davss Hello HistoryBuff Is anyone here? Can you all see me ? Seventies Soulchild Hellooooo????

Khathu: Hello good people

Seventies Soulchild: Hey Khathu

Khathu: So I guess you got all your work done hello alt

daviss: Hi Khathu and Seventies!

alt: hello y'all daviss, Khathu & 70's

daviss: hello alt! Hello again HistoryBuff!

alt: Hi HistoryBuff

Khathu: I was reviewing the CW Pension File for Lorenzo Williams and noticed that there is info on another individual named Lorenzo Williams from Tennessee in the file as well as some of the correspondces from Lorenzo Williams are missing

alt: have you determined the relationship, if any?

Khathu: not yet alt

daviss: Khathu did you connect him as yours Is the name Lorenza or Lorenzo Kathu I have seen both spellings

alt: pension files are great, but they often create more questions than they answer :)

Khathu: currently i am just going by oral history which described him as looking "white", information on my gg grandmother and her sister's death certificates naming patterns in the family and his proximity to my gg grandmother and her sister

daviss: How did you determine that correspondence was missing Khathu'

Khathu: I am looking at both spelling daviss Based on the letters from the War Department. They clearly indicate that he challenged their decisions on rejecting his claim

daviss: Do you think there is a pension file for this Tn Williams and that the missing letters would be located there

Khathu: the letters show them replying to additional information he provided

alt: those are the 'good one's' the rejected applications.... lots of stuff there because of the rejections.

Khathu: it is definitely a possibility. i will have to look into that the Williams from TN was definitely in the USCT I was working on putting all of the Pension documents in chronological order

alt: following the paper trail for the pension application chronologically?

daviss: was there a wife mentioned

HistoryBuff: Did you consult the general adjutant records?

Khathu: yes, i am alt

alt: good move Khathu

Khathu: his wife filed a widow's application in 1936. this is the reason why the file was not housed at the archive well at least one of the reasons

alt: wow, that late, huh? she must have been quite a bit younger than her husband.

Khathu: he initially applied in 1915 and then again in 1922. He died around 1928

Seventies Soulchild: Ok what is the cut off date for pension files to be housed at the archives vs being housed at the VA?

alt: even 1928 is late.... 63 years after the CW... Wow!!

Khathu: No she was only 5 years younger than him

alt: is that right

Khathu: he was 71 when he first applied

daviss: Was he in Tx khathu

Khathu: yes, he was in Palestine, Anderson County, Texas

alt: okay, born ca 1844

Khathu: I don't when the cut off date was His application did provide me with some positive clues

alt: I can imagine it did Khathu

daviss: I ate dinner in Palestine lol

Khathu: He was married before and divorced by 1870 and that after the war, he settled in Palestine

alt: where was he originally from Khathu & what USCT unit did he serve with?

Khathu: Kansas Territory. He claimed he served in an all white regiment - Company F, 11th Illinois Cavalry as a buglar I think he may have served "unofficially" a contraband solider

daviss: interesting

alt: ah so, this is one of those fella's you talked with the lady who wrote the book about AA's serving in white units?

Khathu: Mrs. Moss but there is no record of his enrollment or service

alt: yep, I guess those situations are difficult to document "officially"

Khathu: He reported that at the time of his enlistment he worked on a stream boat

Seventies Soulchild: Interesting.

Khathu: very interesting indeed hello kim

alt: hello kim.. how ya doing today?

Seventies Soulchild: He was born in the midwest, righr?

daviss: hello Kim!!

Khathu: Chico or near Emporia, Kansas

daviss: Welcome Kim!!

Khathu: in 1844

Seventies Soulchild: Did he mention his status? slave or free? WB HistoryBuff

Khathu: well taking my own adivce, i need to work from the present backward. i ordered several microfilms from the family history center yesterday

Seventies Soulchild: ok

daviss: Kim, is this your first time in chat?

Khathu: It doesn't mention his status

HistoryBuff: Sorry about that

kim: no. I was on the other day with you guys

Seventies Soulchild: hi fierybug

daviss: oh yes, ok, my memory is in seventies soulchild's pocket

kim: in fact Selma promised to email me some great info.and she must have forgotten

alt: kim, NC and Solomon Alexander, right?

kim: that right

daviss: hello fierybug08

fierybug08: hello everyone *Virtual Wave* to Kim Seventies Soulchild kim alt Khathu HistoryBuff

alt: Hello fierybug08

HistoryBuff: Hey fiery

Khathu: hello fierybug

kim: hello fierybug08

fierybug08: whoops...hey daviss

kim: I'm hoping selma joins us

daviss: whew fierybug08 I thought you had forgotten lil ole me

fierybug08: no way....saved the best for last

daviss: hehehehehe

Seventies Soulchild: lol

kim: alt I haven't had a chance to look at your cherries..but I will tonight

fierybug08: lol We Texans stick together!!!

alt: you were looking for information on Solomon alexander, right kim?

HistoryBuff: :)

Khathu: Well there are 3 Texans in the house

fierybug08: What did I miss.

Seventies Soulchild: and two Mississippians

alt: okay kim, no hurry on the Cherry's.

kim: Yes. I am also looking for Lafayette Downing and Dolberry

daviss: speaking of Selma!

fierybug08: Oh...sorry about that Khathu. Can't forget about you! lol

alt: welcome Selma

daviss: hi Selma!!

Selma: Oh jeez is that good or bad daviss.

fierybug08: hi Selma

Selma: Afternoon everyone...

daviss: lol lol Selma always good

Khathu: Hello Selma

kim: I'm waiting on you Selma

Seventies Soulchild: Hi Selma

Selma: No I did not forget you kim...just got distracted doing stuff in my real like

Seventies Soulchild: Now we're just waiting on Angela and Dru

kim: Hello Selma you forgot to email the information to me

HistoryBuff: Hey Selma

kim: I understand

alt: kim, I see 2 Solomon Alexander marriages in Barnett's book's.

kim: who are their wives

alt: one in Craven Co to a Mary Bryan and the other in Person Co. to a Rebecca Moseley

kim: ok. not my soloman thanks

alt: neither one?

kim: nope

AYWalton: good afternoon, all.

fierybug08: Hi AYWalton

Seventies Soulchild: Hi Angeal

kim: Hi aywalton

alt: okay... the marriages were legitimatized in 1866 & 1867

AYWalton: Howdy alt, daviss, fierbybug08, khathu, HistoryBuff, kim

Seventies Soulchild: Angela.. oops! :}

daviss: Hello there AYWalton!

AYWalton: Hey Ms. Selma, Hey SoulChile!

alt: Hello AYWalton

Selma: There is an 1866 AA census and a Registry of Children for Mecklenburg County VA..I can not say that it included all of the folks in Mecklenburg County.

AYWalton: hope you are all well. I am just popping in for a few minutes before running out the door.

Selma: It is part of VA RG 105... What is your email address?

Seventies Soulchild: Where are you heading off to AYWalton?


Selma: Ain't you nosy 70's.. LOL

daviss: lol lol

Seventies Soulchild: lol that's what my mama say. lol

Khathu: Hello AYWalton

fierybug08: lol

kim: where do I get it selma

alt: and mamma don't lie LOL LOL

fierybug08: that's okay...I was gonna ask her that too 70s

Seventies Soulchild: lol lol lol

fierybug08: how we know it's really her :p

AYWalton: running errands and things. I need to be at the Archives today but didn't get it together early enough.

alt: kim, you... sherrod.. and myself all seem to have Edgecombe Co., NC folks who may somehow connect...

Seventies Soulchild: Oh yes, you have to be there at like 845 geez! I never had enough time to get there.

fierybug08: which Archives is that? Oh no...I'd have to go later

AYWalton: I usually put in a full day when I go.

fierybug08: or smuggle in some Pepsi :p

daviss: Is that when the doors open?

AYWalton: what other one is there for multi-state researchers? NARA

HistoryBuff: Hey AYWalton

AYWalton: the door opens at 9 am.

Seventies Soulchild: :P as in yuck to Pepsi

kim: please email me selma. I have to go my meeting is starting! I will return tomorrow. Will talk about connections tomorrow. good day everybody

Seventies Soulchild: bye Kim

fierybug08: :P Pepsi is Beautiful :p

alt: AYWalton, do you do much research at the Library of congress?

Seventies Soulchild: Alright folks I need to get going. Y'all have a wonderful day!

fierybug08: AY, Have you looked at the City Directories at LOC?

daviss: bye sev enties

fierybug08: bye 70s

alt: later Seventies Soulchild

AYWalton: I don't do a lot at LOC alt. I have in the past, but so much of what I need is either at Archives I or II. no, I have used directories in the past and many that I need I have already accessed.

alt: okay AYWalton, I was thinking in terms of non-governmental records for the LOC.

daviss: Anyone have a Red tail in their line Military lol

alt: yep daviss, three Tuskegee Airmen who were pilots and a couple who were in support roles.

AYWalton: I understand, alt. I have used it for American state papers and treaties and such--but again that is governmental. I have used it also for state and local genealogical publications. no Red Tails in my lines unfortunately daviss.

daviss: me either

alt: Robert A. Gordon, Wayne V. Liggins & and Harold E. Sawyer

freeaainnc: hi all

daviss: Awwww nice alt...

alt: hello freeaainnc

fierybug08: Hi freeaainnc

daviss: well well well !! hi there freeaainnc

freeaainnc: hope everyone is well

daviss: long time freeaainnc

alt: been sending business your way freeaainnc ... NC State Archives & Library. LOL

daviss: I am well free, how about you?

freeaainnc: really alt? anyone named Jahred or Jah Pender? doing good daviss

alt: and telling them to mention AfriGeneas in the correspondence.

Selma: Ok..I just sent kim Ok where did kim go?

freeaainnc: oh, correspondence? for Enos Stafford?

daviss: She had a meeting to go to Selma

Khathu: have a good day everyone

daviss: did you see her email addy?

Selma: Yes, Daviss..I wrote it down

freeaainnc: have has a "rainfall" of FPOC researchers in the library and correspondence

Selma: I have a sinking feeling that Family search is doing something with the VA FB 105 records

alt: wonderful freeaainnc, BTW how was your trip home? hope it was great!!!!

freeaainnc: what are VA FB 105 records?

Selma: That will not allow me to access it microfilm roll by roll

daviss: why do you say that Selma

Selma: and if they do I will be pissed

daviss: oic

freeaainnc: trip was wonderful! not happy it was 3 weeks long at first, but it turned out great!

alt: are they 'imaged' by batch number Selma? I tried vicjorob accesing by batch number and it works not RG 105 specifically tho'

Selma: If you look at the list on family search..and see Virginia Freedmen's Bureau says view 834,000 images.. if you click it and go the search page..look at the bottom and it says 220,000 images..

alt: I can imagine Selma LOL LOL

daviss: thats the way the Tx dc'c are Sel

alt: and not being indexed that's is a 'bear'!!!!!

daviss: yep!

Selma: It IS indexed by name alt..that is wonder of it

alt: really !!!!!

daviss: thats great Selma, I wish these were

Selma: Yes alt..that is the project I worked on..for heavens sakes I have been talking about it for 4 years.. LOL

alt: shows how much I know about Rg 105 & VA Freedman's records LOL LOL

daviss: Gotta run folks bye

alt: later daviss

Selma: Apparently work is being done on NC will be using ti I have to run too folks..have a great day.

18 Dec 2002 :: 1 Feb 2009
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