2012-01-11 Williams Pension • RG105
Seventies Soulchild: Hi davss Hello HistoryBuff Is anyone here? Can you all see me ? Seventies Soulchild Hellooooo????
Khathu: Hello good people
Seventies Soulchild: Hey Khathu
Khathu: So I guess you got all your work done hello alt
daviss: Hi Khathu and Seventies!
alt: hello y'all daviss, Khathu & 70's
daviss: hello alt! Hello again HistoryBuff!
alt: Hi HistoryBuff
Khathu: I was reviewing the CW Pension File for Lorenzo Williams and noticed that there is info on another individual named Lorenzo Williams from Tennessee in the file as well as some of the correspondces from Lorenzo Williams are missing
alt: have you determined the relationship, if any?
Khathu: not yet alt
daviss: Khathu did you connect him as yours Is the name Lorenza or Lorenzo Kathu I have seen both spellings
alt: pension files are great, but they often create more questions than they answer
Khathu: currently i am just going by oral history which described him as looking "white", information on my gg grandmother and her sister's death certificates naming patterns in the family and his proximity to my gg grandmother and her sister
daviss: How did you determine that correspondence was missing Khathu'
Khathu: I am looking at both spelling daviss Based on the letters from the War Department. They clearly indicate that he challenged their decisions on rejecting his claim
daviss: Do you think there is a pension file for this Tn Williams and that the missing letters would be located there
Khathu: the letters show them replying to additional information he provided
alt: those are the 'good one's' the rejected applications.... lots of stuff there because of the rejections.
Khathu: it is definitely a possibility. i will have to look into that the Williams from TN was definitely in the USCT I was working on putting all of the Pension documents in chronological order
alt: following the paper trail for the pension application chronologically?
daviss: was there a wife mentioned
HistoryBuff: Did you consult the general adjutant records?
Khathu: yes, i am alt
alt: good move Khathu
Khathu: his wife filed a widow's application in 1936. this is the reason why the file was not housed at the archive well at least one of the reasons
alt: wow, that late, huh? she must have been quite a bit younger than her husband.
Khathu: he initially applied in 1915 and then again in 1922. He died around 1928
Seventies Soulchild: Ok what is the cut off date for pension files to be housed at the archives vs being housed at the VA?
alt: even 1928 is late.... 63 years after the CW... Wow!!
Khathu: No she was only 5 years younger than him
alt: is that right
Khathu: he was 71 when he first applied
daviss: Was he in Tx khathu
Khathu: yes, he was in Palestine, Anderson County, Texas
alt: okay, born ca 1844
Khathu: I don't when the cut off date was His application did provide me with some positive clues
alt: I can imagine it did Khathu
daviss: I ate dinner in Palestine lol
Khathu: He was married before and divorced by 1870 and that after the war, he settled in Palestine
alt: where was he originally from Khathu & what USCT unit did he serve with?
Khathu: Kansas Territory. He claimed he served in an all white regiment - Company F, 11th Illinois Cavalry as a buglar I think he may have served "unofficially" a contraband solider
alt: ah so, this is one of those fella's you talked with the lady who wrote the book about AA's serving in white units?
Khathu: Mrs. Moss but there is no record of his enrollment or service
alt: yep, I guess those situations are difficult to document "officially"
Khathu: He reported that at the time of his enlistment he worked on a stream boat
Seventies Soulchild: Interesting.
Khathu: very interesting indeed hello kim
alt: hello kim.. how ya doing today?
Seventies Soulchild: He was born in the midwest, righr?
daviss: hello Kim!!
Khathu: Chico or near Emporia, Kansas
daviss: Welcome Kim!!
Khathu: in 1844
Seventies Soulchild: Did he mention his status? slave or free? WB HistoryBuff
Khathu: well taking my own adivce, i need to work from the present backward. i ordered several microfilms from the family history center yesterday
Seventies Soulchild: ok
daviss: Kim, is this your first time in chat?
Khathu: It doesn't mention his status
HistoryBuff: Sorry about that
kim: no. I was on the other day with you guys
Seventies Soulchild: hi fierybug
daviss: oh yes, ok, my memory is in seventies soulchild's pocket
kim: in fact Selma promised to email me some great info.and she must have forgotten
alt: kim, NC and Solomon Alexander, right?
kim: that right
daviss: hello fierybug08
fierybug08: hello everyone *Virtual Wave* to Kim Seventies Soulchild kim alt Khathu HistoryBuff
alt: Hello fierybug08
HistoryBuff: Hey fiery
Khathu: hello fierybug
kim: hello fierybug08
fierybug08: whoops...hey daviss
kim: I'm hoping selma joins us
daviss: whew fierybug08 I thought you had forgotten lil ole me
fierybug08: no way....saved the best for last
Seventies Soulchild: lol
kim: alt I haven't had a chance to look at your cherries..but I will tonight
fierybug08: lol We Texans stick together!!!
alt: you were looking for information on Solomon alexander, right kim?
Khathu: Well there are 3 Texans in the house
fierybug08: What did I miss.
Seventies Soulchild: and two Mississippians
alt: okay kim, no hurry on the Cherry's.
kim: Yes. I am also looking for Lafayette Downing and Dolberry
daviss: speaking of Selma!
fierybug08: Oh...sorry about that Khathu. Can't forget about you! lol
alt: welcome Selma
daviss: hi Selma!!
Selma: Oh jeez is that good or bad daviss.
fierybug08: hi Selma
Selma: Afternoon everyone...
daviss: lol lol Selma always good
Khathu: Hello Selma
kim: I'm waiting on you Selma
Seventies Soulchild: Hi Selma
Selma: No I did not forget you kim...just got distracted doing stuff in my real like
Seventies Soulchild: Now we're just waiting on Angela and Dru
kim: Hello Selma you forgot to email the information to me
HistoryBuff: Hey Selma
kim: I understand
alt: kim, I see 2 Solomon Alexander marriages in Barnett's book's.
kim: who are their wives
alt: one in Craven Co to a Mary Bryan and the other in Person Co. to a Rebecca Moseley
kim: ok. not my soloman thanks
alt: neither one?
AYWalton: good afternoon, all.
fierybug08: Hi AYWalton
Seventies Soulchild: Hi Angeal
kim: Hi aywalton
alt: okay... the marriages were legitimatized in 1866 & 1867
AYWalton: Howdy alt, daviss, fierbybug08, khathu, HistoryBuff, kim
Seventies Soulchild: Angela.. oops! :}
daviss: Hello there AYWalton!
AYWalton: Hey Ms. Selma, Hey SoulChile!
alt: Hello AYWalton
Selma: There is an 1866 AA census and a Registry of Children for Mecklenburg County VA..I can not say that it included all of the folks in Mecklenburg County.
AYWalton: hope you are all well. I am just popping in for a few minutes before running out the door.
Selma: It is part of VA RG 105... What is your email address?
Seventies Soulchild: Where are you heading off to AYWalton?
Selma: Ain't you nosy 70's.. LOL
daviss: lol lol
Seventies Soulchild: lol that's what my mama say. lol
Khathu: Hello AYWalton
kim: where do I get it selma
alt: and mamma don't lie LOL LOL
fierybug08: that's okay...I was gonna ask her that too 70s
Seventies Soulchild: lol lol lol
fierybug08: how we know it's really her :p
AYWalton: running errands and things. I need to be at the Archives today but didn't get it together early enough.
alt: kim, you... sherrod.. and myself all seem to have Edgecombe Co., NC folks who may somehow connect...
Seventies Soulchild: Oh yes, you have to be there at like 845 geez! I never had enough time to get there.
fierybug08: which Archives is that? Oh no...I'd have to go later
AYWalton: I usually put in a full day when I go.
fierybug08: or smuggle in some Pepsi :p
daviss: Is that when the doors open?
AYWalton: what other one is there for multi-state researchers? NARA
HistoryBuff: Hey AYWalton
AYWalton: the door opens at 9 am.
Seventies Soulchild: :P as in yuck to Pepsi
kim: please email me selma. I have to go my meeting is starting! I will return tomorrow. Will talk about connections tomorrow. good day everybody
Seventies Soulchild: bye Kim
fierybug08: :P Pepsi is Beautiful :p
alt: AYWalton, do you do much research at the Library of congress?
Seventies Soulchild: Alright folks I need to get going. Y'all have a wonderful day!
fierybug08: AY, Have you looked at the City Directories at LOC?
daviss: bye sev enties
fierybug08: bye 70s
alt: later Seventies Soulchild
AYWalton: I don't do a lot at LOC alt. I have in the past, but so much of what I need is either at Archives I or II. no, I have used directories in the past and many that I need I have already accessed.
alt: okay AYWalton, I was thinking in terms of non-governmental records for the LOC.
daviss: Anyone have a Red tail in their line Military lol
alt: yep daviss, three Tuskegee Airmen who were pilots and a couple who were in support roles.
AYWalton: I understand, alt. I have used it for American state papers and treaties and such--but again that is governmental. I have used it also for state and local genealogical publications. no Red Tails in my lines unfortunately daviss.
daviss: me either
alt: Robert A. Gordon, Wayne V. Liggins & and Harold E. Sawyer
freeaainnc: hi all
daviss: Awwww nice alt...
alt: hello freeaainnc
fierybug08: Hi freeaainnc
daviss: well well well !! hi there freeaainnc
freeaainnc: hope everyone is well
daviss: long time freeaainnc
alt: been sending business your way freeaainnc ... NC State Archives & Library. LOL
daviss: I am well free, how about you?
freeaainnc: really alt? anyone named Jahred or Jah Pender? doing good daviss
alt: and telling them to mention AfriGeneas in the correspondence.
Selma: Ok..I just sent kim Ok where did kim go?
freeaainnc: oh, correspondence? for Enos Stafford?
daviss: She had a meeting to go to Selma
Khathu: have a good day everyone
daviss: did you see her email addy?
Selma: Yes, Daviss..I wrote it down
freeaainnc: have has a "rainfall" of FPOC researchers in the library and correspondence
Selma: I have a sinking feeling that Family search is doing something with the VA FB 105 records
alt: wonderful freeaainnc, BTW how was your trip home? hope it was great!!!!
freeaainnc: what are VA FB 105 records?
Selma: That will not allow me to access it microfilm roll by roll
daviss: why do you say that Selma
Selma: and if they do I will be pissed
freeaainnc: trip was wonderful! not happy it was 3 weeks long at first, but it turned out great!
alt: are they 'imaged' by batch number Selma? I tried vicjorob accesing by batch number and it works not RG 105 specifically tho'
Selma: If you look at the list on family search..and see Virginia Freedmen's Bureau letters..it says view 834,000 images.. if you click it and go the search page..look at the bottom and it says 220,000 images..
alt: I can imagine Selma LOL LOL
daviss: thats the way the Tx dc'c are Sel
alt: and not being indexed that's is a 'bear'!!!!!
Selma: It IS indexed by name alt..that is wonder of it
alt: really !!!!!
daviss: thats great Selma, I wish these were
Selma: Yes alt..that is the project I worked on..for heavens sakes I have been talking about it for 4 years.. LOL
alt: shows how much I know about Rg 105 & VA Freedman's records LOL LOL
daviss: Gotta run folks bye
alt: later daviss
Selma: Apparently work is being done on NC alt..you will be using ti I have to run too folks..have a great day.