2011-09-07 Confederate • swarthy • DNA
alt: Hello daviss, I'll be here when you get back LOL
daviss: lol hi there alt!
alt: Howdy pardner... wanna buy an IPad? LOL
daviss: I was just reading your response to 3rd lol lol @ IPAD I was thinking, that they could actually be brothers
alt: Yeah, trying to follow 3rd's posting and the best I could come up with was a possible misstatement as to the parents of the two, or one individual
daviss: did you catch the ages at death
alt: yep, that's a possibility also no, there was too much there too read, I must have missed the age remarks.
daviss: I have two uncle James. One by first wife and one by second on 3rd they were 4 or 5 yrs apart on births and at least 10 yrs on deaths
alt: Yep, that happens... children being given the same first name, but often with different middle names.... look at George Foreman (sp) and his 6-7 okay, I missed that daviss
daviss: yep and as a side note regarding George lol his property that he bought for the training camp is right next to my gggrands in Marshall and his birth name is not Forman just raised by his stepfather
alt: I'm having some questions on the guy whose g-grandfather served in both the Confederate & Union Army.... It's a great story and I would like to hear his response to some questions.... no argument, just curious
Seventies Soulchild: hi alt and daviss
daviss: oh yes me too like the name lol'
alt: is that right daviss? re: george
daviss: hello seventies soulchild yep alt true
alt: Hi Seventies Soulchild, how are ya today?
AYWalton: Good afternoon, all.
3rdthawkins: hello alt daviss seventies and aywalton
AYWalton: hi 3rd
Seventies Soulchild: I'm doing well, how about you alt? and you too daviss.
daviss: hello AYWalton and 3rd
AYWalton: howdy alt, daviss, Soulchile!
alt: Hello 3rd & AY.... the party is getting started LOL
Seventies Soulchild: Hi AYWalton and 3rd
daviss: lol lol oops laughing too hard
Seventies Soulchild: alt I was reading through that thread earlier. Interesting story.
AYWalton: we are having a major downpour here in MD. Wish we could export some to folks in TX.
Seventies Soulchild: But what does 'swarthy' mean???
3rdthawkins: yeah, here too in VA AY
alt: Seventies Soulchild .. you ducked out on me yesterday... the family living in West Point were the Hayden's ... Lloyd Daniel Hayden and his kids... I think he might have worked at the Academy
daviss: I hear ya AY. I just talked to a cousin in Austin
Seventies Soulchild: sorry alt.. lol
AYWalton: to me, swarthy means tanned and probably somewhat leatherly in appearance.
3rdthawkins: hello Prodru
daviss: hi ProfDru
AYWalton: ProfDru is in da house!!
ProfDru: hello gang
Seventies Soulchild: hi ProfDru
alt: me too AYWalton on "swarthy"
daviss: I would agree with that AYWalton
3rdthawkins: never heard that term before interesting
daviss: learn something new everyday 3rd lol
alt: we've got a lot of swarthy folks in our family LOL
AYWalton: a man who worked in the fields--a farmer to me would have a swarthy appearance.
3rdthawkins: yep, hangin' with you all )
daviss: construction workers
alt: 3rdthawkins, you saw my response to your post on the States Forum?
AYWalton: I think the term would include white folks, light skinned black folks as well. Yes construction workers, sailors or stevedores, etc.
3rdthawkins: lol alt I hear ya, same on my dad's side
3rdthawkins: not yet alt, just got in from D.C., was there for the weekend,
Seventies Soulchild: The question is, what did it mean in 1860 - 1865? This relates to Jan's post in "Myth of AfricanAmerican Confederate Soldier".
3rdthawkins: actually was in MD, but spent the night in D.C. hotel because of the rain
alt: okay, I just put it up bout 1/2 hour ago
3rdthawkins: ok, Im gonna go check it out now
Seventies Soulchild: I also got to check out the blog "Finding Agnes"
alt: Seventies Soulchild, I'm asking .. did he go into the confederate army as an African American, or was he mistaken for a white guy? hello Selma
AYWalton: Howdy Ms. Selma!
ProfDru: hello selma
Seventies Soulchild: oh ok. Well maybe Jan will respond back with an answer.
alt: he was obviously seen as a black man or he wouldn't have been an enlisted man in the USCT.
3rdthawkins: ok alt, yeah, I agree with that, the one with Joe Cummings has the wrong parents, Allen has the right one I believe
Selma: Afternoon everyone
alt: and the "myth" is not about the onesy-twosy's as Bennie often says, but about the thousands of black confederates who served in an 'integrated' confederate army.
daviss: I would love to know the name of the soldier
Seventies Soulchild: LOL I am running on auto pilot here.. I just read what I typed.. lol
alt: me too daviss
AYWalton: greetings, VKN!
ProfDru: hello vkn
vkn: Greetings to each and all
Seventies Soulchild: right, how the truth is bent into being made a lie. gotcha alt.
3rdthawkins: right alt, there's always exceptions to the rule, but the majority of the time you won't get AA's serving as Confederates
alt: hello vkn.... wanna buy an IPad? lol
Seventies Soulchild: hi vkn
3rdthawkins: hey vkn
AYWalton: lol @ alt!!!
vkn: LOL LOL LOL @ alt
daviss: hello vkn!
vkn: 3rd seventies profdru ayw daviss selma http://www.afrigeneas.com/aacensus/al/ Seventies have you been here
daviss: art, your friends grand that was captured and joined the union, did he survive the war
alt: yes he did daviss.. and his name is on the USCT monument in DC
daviss: thats wonderful alt
Seventies Soulchild: hey fierybug08
vkn: Another potential resource for 1866 Alabama census http://www.afrigeneas.com/aacensus/al/1860calhoun.html Howdy fiery
alt: his name was Tobias Bowdry daviss and I think he served under the nameof Wilson Jones.
fierybug08: hello everyone. Virtual wave to Seventies Soulchild vkn daviss AYWalton alt ProfDru Selma 3rd
alt: Hello fierybug08 ...
ProfDru: virtually waving back to ya, fierybug
AYWalton: hope all is well fierybug!
fierybug08: everything is good. just a little rain, but all is well
daviss: was his slaveholder Bowdry
Selma: Hi fiery..
alt: yes he was daviss
fierybug08: haven't seen you in a while Selma. How are you?
Selma: Doing OK fiery
vkn: good to hear selma
3rdthawkins: ok alt, I responded to the post, I agree, the uncle-by-marriage confused his wife's cousin with his wife's nephew of the same name. His daughter was informant on one, that is her mother's brother, and she was informant on her mother's DC and correctly stated the parents. So now I can put the right Joe with the right family. Thanks
alt: glad I could help 3rdthawkins
3rdthawkins: I should say he confused his wife's cousin with his wife's brother
AYWalton: going to run, folks. Have a good one!
alt: I dunno cause now you've got me confused LOL LOL LOL
fierybug08: me too lol
daviss: me too alt lol
Selma: So on the Confederate soldier..was he Free, since they say he wasn't a slave?
fierybug08: thank goodness for transcripts
3rdthawkins: now you know I how felt lol lol
vkn: Did you see the "slavery" game posted in TheGriot this morning if so what do you think about it ?
daviss: dunno Selma,
alt: that was another question I asked him Selma.. were these folks listed in the census prior to the CW as FPOC's?
Seventies Soulchild: Who knows. You know it has come to my attention that people post on public message boards just to stir up controversy.
daviss: hoax in my opinion vkn
3rdthawkins: she didn't say much Seventies, she just threw out one little fact or whatever, and never really showed she studied it
alt: this guy has made this claim on the boards before Seventies Soulchild, but you could be right, even they he stated his post was 'not to start a debate'
3rdthawkins: no one's saying it can't happen and that it's impossible, but it's not likely
ProfDru: gotta run
Seventies Soulchild: I don't read the Griot or the Root. All of it is just 'black face' white words.
vkn: Well I have a "Confederate" in my tree and he is posted on the wall at the memorial in DC Name is BUSH
Seventies Soulchild: Interesting vkn
alt: I know vkn.. and we know there are exceptions... did he serve as a 'soldier' in both the Union and Confederate Army, or was he an 'impressed confederate' and not a 'soldier'
Selma: Sure got quiet.. LOL
Seventies Soulchild: yep
daviss: I was waiting lol
alt: folks be thinking Selma
Seventies Soulchild: Anyway, ok well last night I was on genealogywise and saw how they did their nightly chats. it was interesting.
Selma: How do they do it seventies?
vkn: Alt he served with Pelham and may have been a body servant BUT he be glorified and celebrated by the wheet peeps in Alabama
Seventies Soulchild: they have a topic night and a person selects an article or issue and they post it. And you can discuss after the presentation is complete.
alt: oh I'm sure vkn.
Seventies Soulchild: Kind of like a low cost webinar... lol
daviss: did he get a pension vkn
3rdthawkins: sounds interesting
vkn: He did daviss
alt: a Union pension vkn, right vkn or one from Alabama for his service to the confederacy? or both
vkn: Not sure about source alt will need to double check
alt: okay vkn
daviss: was he one of the Bush clan that went over to Colorado vkn?
vkn: Prolly from Alabama. He brought Pelham and his horse back safely to Calhoun County from Richmond VA
vkn: The clan you speak may have stemmed from him daviss
alt: Seventies Soulchild,,,, West Point is in Putnam Co., right?
Seventies Soulchild: No Orange County
vkn: Calhoun county is rich in poor Bush daviss lol
alt: okay, the Hayden's, Lloyd Daniel Hayden worked at the Academy.. is Putnam Co., NY nearby?
daviss: lol lol vkn
Seventies Soulchild: Yes quite close. Actually West Point sits near a tri-county area.
daviss: any Spann's in your line vkn or Burks/Burke
vkn: Not to my knowledge daviss where are they "
Seventies Soulchild: so its 15 mins in any direction from Putnam, Rockland and Orange. Just by the Hudson river
vkn: I will see daviss
daviss: now vkn, you know how my luck runs :o
Seventies Soulchild: Google is getting on my nerves.
alt: okay Seventies Soulchild, I did some genealogy for the Hayden's.. they married into an AA Eichelberger family from SC that migrated to Springfield, Ohio.
vkn: If Calhoun and Cleburne Counties then they may be kin to my BELLs
Seventies Soulchild: ok
daviss: don't you have ties in Autauga (sp)
Seventies Soulchild: lol daviss you're going to get it right one day.. AUTAUGA!
daviss: lol lol seventies
vkn: Bought a stylus on Monday and it helps with the ipad keyboard
Seventies Soulchild: I have ties in Autauga County, AL... Laniers Mixons Smiths
fierybug08: how do you pronouce Autauga?
alt: I do daviss.. the Wicker family ca the 1830's who became FPOC and came into Ohio.. the Wicker's married into the Reno family her in the 1850's.
Seventies Soulchild: Aw-Ta-Gwa Actually long a Ah Tah Gwa
fierybug08: hmmm just what I thought *in my southern accent*
Seventies Soulchild: LOL sorry wrong again Ah Tah Ga
alt: I think there was a settlement of French Huguenot's in Autauga Co in the early 1800's that came there from Manakin Town in Goochland Co., VA.
Seventies Soulchild: You know I was reading about some Dejarnettes who were in VA. They are also in Autauga, Co.
daviss: patillos in autauga
Seventies Soulchild: There are also some DeBardlabon's in the area. white and black
vkn: alt how long to get results from FTDNA
Seventies Soulchild: I haven't seen a patillo yet daviss.. lol
alt: usually about 4-6 weeks vkn for mtDNA, Y-DNA & Admixture
vkn: and how then to send to african ancestry or what is the next sequence
alt: Isn't Autauga near Moblie, AL were there is a heavy concentration of French influence.
vkn: I am almost totally clueless with this dna business
Seventies Soulchild: Mobile is near the coast. Autauga is in the black belt
alt: not sure if there is an 'exchange' between AA and FTDNA vkn.
Seventies Soulchild: Close to Biloxi, MS, Pass Christian
Seventies Soulchild: I do know that AA does read DNA tests from other companies.
daviss: what do you mean alt about exchange
vkn: AYW gave me a good orientation but I get lost in the forum discussions re dna I need to constantly update my glossary if not my understanding
alt: there are many places where you can have your "allele" and DYS values analyzed regardles of company that tested. example mitosearch & Y-DNA search.
vkn: hmmm okies new language alt , watch it !
alt: daviss, some companies allow you to input your 'raw data' into their algorithems from other companies for interpaetation Oops, soryy bout that vkn LOL
vkn: whoa mister fesser thomas
daviss: ok I heard that alt.. I may move brothers to FTDNA
alt: no, know-it-all Thomas LOL
vkn: selma did you dna as yet know it none nelson
alt: vkn, I know enough to be 'dangerous' LOL
vkn: lol lol lol y'all be good
alt: well y'all clock on the wall says 'quittin time' see ya's
daviss: me too lol bye sel and seventies