Spivey: Hello everyone. Hello everyone. Is anyone here? I can see people but don't hear anybody.
passingiton: hey 3rd
3rdthawkins: hello pass
passingiton: hey alt
alt: hello y'all
3rdthawkins: noon alt
passingiton: how was your Memorial Day?
alt: mine was fine ... yours?
passingiton: I woke up bright and early to call GA vital recs since they couldn't locate Tobe Mitchel(l) death cert, so I ended up calling the health dept, they had no prob locating it....
vicky: hello 3rd alt and passingiton!
3rdthawkins: hello vicky
passingiton: the lady was nice she couldn't tell me who the informant was, but she told me in so many words, but parents were listed as DK
alt: same office ?
3rdthawkins: wow, interesting, great pass
passingiton: back to the drawing board
alt: keep thedrawing board close lol
vicky: I just read your conversation regarding uh oh puter keeps freezing
Khathu: hello everyone
passingiton: hey Khathu
alt: hello Khathu
vicky: why could they not give you the informants name, was it a recent death
alt: and vicky
vicky: hi there khathu
3rdthawkins: hello Khahtu
passingiton: 1949, she did give it to me though in so many words, she asked who was the wife and then was like who was Christine, so I summized
vicky: i see lol Are the Ga records online anywhere
passingiton: not the dc after 31
vicky: oh wow!
3rdthawkins: did you tell them it was for genealogy passingiton? most places say that it cannot be done over the phone if it's genealogy or something
passingiton: she told me, the wife who was the informant married him when he was ailing and from what I heard it was for his wife so she may not have cared to give info it was for his house I meant to type
alt: well at least you're making headway Hello AYWAlton
passingiton: wb vicky
AYWalton: Good afternoon, all.
passingiton: hi AYWalton
AYWalton: hello 3rd, alt, khathu, passingiton. I hope everyone is doing well.
Khathu: Hello AYWalton
3rdthawkins: hello AY
AYWalton: I hope that everyone had a nice holiday weekend.
passingiton: cold and rainy here but blessed nonetheless
alt: I did.. and hope your's went well AYWalton
passingiton: how was yours
AYWalton: pretty good.
alt: we went to a family cookout yesterday afternoon in Columbus, OH.... Anita's sister and her family Hi Selma
AYWalton: Howdy Ms. Selma!!!!!!!!!
passingiton: hi Selma
AYWalton: hope all is well with you.
Selma: Good Tuesday afternoon 3rd, alt, AY, Khathu, passingiton and myself
alt: lil' darlings still with you Selma?
Selma: No the litle darlins...are home...LOL..
alt: ages Selma ?
Selma: of the little darlins?...2, 4 and 12
3rdthawkins: hello Selma
AYWalton: what a range!
alt: ah so, okay
AYWalton: Your hands are full! Oops! am I back in the room?
passingiton: wb ay
Selma: Yes..you are in the room...
alt: old nosy Alt wants to know LOL
Selma: 2 boys and girl is 2 years old..
Selma: AY...I mailed you the FB info on Saturday
3rdthawkins: wb Pro Dru
alt: hello Dru
AYWalton: The FB as in Facebook?
Khathu: hello Selma and Dru
Selma: Afternoon Dru...your WDYTYA postings are great
AYWalton: ProfessorDru is in da house!
Professordru: hello gang
AYWalton: yes that is a great post!
Professordru: thanks selma
alt: DRu.. Vance Co. & Edgecombe Co aren't too far apart in NC.... and Ihave some Edgecombe Bullocks.
passingiton: hey Professordru
alt: and an Andrew Bullock
Professordru: ok alt
AYWalton: I did not get anything Selma.
alt: just maybe, perhaps a long shot. but who knows
Selma: I sent it by snail mail...I copied the pages and the index... I am trying to help the postal workers keep their jobs
alt: good, I have a son and a daughter with the US Postal Service LOL
AYWalton: Oh in regular mail!! Ok thanks I shall watch out for it. I thought you meant Facebook. lol
Selma: I am not on FACEBOOK...
AYWalton: so what was FB?
Professordru: alt, when was your andrew bullock born?
3rdthawkins: Freedman Bureau?
alt: hold it DRu.. be right back atcha
Selma: I didn't say anything about Facebook ...for me FB is Freedmen's Bureau Didn't you ask for the Choctow entries...
3rdthawkins: hello Seventies
passingiton: hey 70s
Selma: Afternoon seventies
Seventies Soulchild: Good afternoon all. 3rd, alt, AYWalton, Khathu, passingiton, Professordru, Selma
AYWalton: Yes, I did. I mistook FB to mean Facebook but glad you found it on Freedman's Bureau instead. hello SoulChile.
Khathu: Hey Seventies
Professordru: hey 70s
alt: Professordru .. my andrew Bullock born ca 1892 in Edgecombe co Hello 70's
Professordru: ok alt
Spivey: Hello everyone.
Khathu: Hello Spivey
Selma: Afternoon Spivey
alt: hello Spivey
passingiton: hi Spivey and free
alt: Hi free & wb vicky
Professordru: howdy free
passingiton: wb vicky
Seventies Soulchild: Hi vicky! How did I miss you?!
Spivey: Alt, I got a new computer. Can you give me the URL of that radio station again?
3rdthawkins: hello three amigoes Spivey free and vicky
Khathu: hello free
vicky: hello all who I have not seen earlier
Selma: Afternoon free and vicky
Spivey: Hi Free.
3rdthawkins: wb vicky
Seventies Soulchild: Hi Spivey
freaainnc: Howdy Spivey!
alt: http://www.partybluesandoldies.com/ there you go Spivey
Spivey: Oh, now I can rock in my rocking chair again Alt. Thanks.
Seventies Soulchild: Hi freeaainnc!
alt: yw Spivey
freaainnc: hi SS
Seventies Soulchild: Ok y'all all had a good weekend?
vicky: Did everyone spend their day off researching or do you all have other lives?
Seventies Soulchild: partied all weekend, mostly... lol
vicky: lol I bet you had a nice time
Khathu: i spent part of the weekend researching and the other half hanging out
vicky: find anything new Khathu
Khathu: I saw Erykah Badu at Constitution Hall on Friday
freaainnc: lol Vicky! I spent the day nursing a migraine and laying on the couch watching TV
Spivey: I was living one of my other lives Miss Vicky.
Seventies Soulchild: Hm I thought she was going to be at Pier Six, Khathu?
3rdthawkins: so Seventies Soulchild LOL
vicky: gee thanks Seventies 8S
Khathu: i discovered that a cousin had some pictures i have been trying to obtain
passingiton: just rub it in 70s...lol
Seventies Soulchild: lol no problem y'all
Khathu: and she is willing to send them to me
Seventies Soulchild: that's great Khathu!
passingiton: that is great Khathu
vicky: good gor you Spivey good for you spivey
Khathu: Erykah was in DC on Fri/Sat
Seventies Soulchild: oh okay
vicky: you mean the streaker lol
alt: Khathu... you know you can set up an email account on TP and they can mail the photos directly into your TP site..
Spivey: Well, back at it today. On hiatus since my other life began last Friday.
Khathu: She doesn't have email
Spivey: What is TP Khathu?
Professordru: Have any of you visited the library of congress before?
Khathu: tribal pages
alt: oh, okay too bad LOL
Seventies Soulchild: No. Have you gone there recently Professordru?
Khathu: i have dru
Spivey: Ah, thanks. Is that were you have your website Khathu?
vicky: not me prof dru
Khathu: i usually go there twice a month
Professordru: Do they just have one microfilm room? If so, what building is it in?
Khathu: it is a family history website
AYWalton: I have used the section with old newspapers in the Madison bldg. Need to use other resources as well.
freaainnc: not me Dru
AYWalton: Greetings, VKN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Seventies Soulchild: hello vkn!
freaainnc: hi V!
Professordru: hey vee
Khathu: I think there is more than one Dru
alt: hello vkn
AYWalton: greetings VKN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
vicky: hello vkn!
vkn: Howdy all yall
Spivey: Hi Miss Vee.
freaainnc: well today is the first day of my new job
Professordru: Soulchille, I'm planning a visit later this month.
passingiton: hey vkn
Khathu: I am usually in the newspaper and genealogy/local history room
AYWalton: Microfilm is in both buildings, as I understand, but I have only used the Madison Bldg.
passingiton: congrats free
vkn: Congrats free
Khathu: hello vkn
Seventies Soulchild: Ok Professor Dru
AYWalton: that is Madison, right khathu.
Professordru: I plan to look at some city directories on microfilm.
Spivey: For your own research or for others as well, Khathu?
alt: and you've got time for us free... how nice
Seventies Soulchild: I read a couple of weeks ago that the LOC was going to document and store tweets
Khathu: for my own research
Seventies Soulchild: I thought that was interesting
vicky: I guess seventies a new phenom
Professordru: khathu, is there a long wait at the loc to get microfilm?
passingiton: well, I have to go, 2 little girls with beautiful thick hair that needs combing
passingiton: have a great day all
Khathu: I never had to wait long but i am usually there around 5pm
Seventies Soulchild: have a good day passingiton
AYWalton: later, dru.
Spivey: Okay. Your research is much more extensive than mine, Khathu and I don't know that those records would be of use to me right now.
vicky: lol ok passingiton good luck
vicky: Are you staying a couple days Prof Dru
Professordru: I meant bye to passington
vicky: not sure where you live in relation to the LOC
Professordru: I plan to stay in the Richmond area and drive to northern VA and take th subway for the day.
Seventies Soulchild: Ok well I can't eat and eat bbq chicken at the same time... I'll check in a bit later... after I eat my homemade pound cake... lol
AYWalton: eat and eat?
Seventies Soulchild: lol
Seventies Soulchild: I type too fast! lol
Spivey: Wow, Seventies Soulchild. I was confused.
Seventies Soulchild: later all
vicky: later bowl of cherrios for me
vicky: Professor Dru, R directories all you are going to look for?
3rdthawkins: hello vkn
vicky: ok vkn
vkn: Pleae note that the message box on the forum now permits style text
AYWalton: I think think that the Madison building which houses the genealogy section would be the most useful.
3rdthawkins: would that be like html vkn?
vkn: so be sure tp preview your text before posting to be sure it looks as you would have it,
vicky: good deal vkn
alt: okay vkn.. thanks for the heads-up
freaainnc: sorry, back
Professordru: vicky, right now that is the plan. I'm still studying their website to see what they have.
vkn: Also we are encouraging all these beautiful blogs to be posted to the writers forum
Khathu: have a great day everyone
vkn: Certainly they can encourage bidding writers to follow your lead
AYWalton: That is a good idea, vkn!
vkn: also include at least a one line segue with the message. THANX to all
AYWalton: and possibly also could there be a link to AfriGeneas member blogs from the main page?
Professordru: will do, vkn
alt: vkn, do you encourage them to copy & paste their blog entry or just paste the link?
freaainnc: vkn: what do you mean a one line segue with the message? example?
vkn: The fewer links the better alt
AYWalton: I think a link to the blog would be sufficient maybe with a sentence or two followed by a "for more info click link below..." kind of statement.
alt: right.. I'd like to read the blog with having to click on a link to read it,,, but that's jys me
Professordru: gotta run.
AYWalton: but the text belongs on the site where it was created.
alt: but that doesn't help with the "blog traffic count" when you don't click on the link
AYWalton: it is the intellectual property of the creator of the text. and it also exposes the 1st time visitor to the blog, and provides another avenue--and the more avenues we have the better.
alt: does that change with a 'copy & paste' AYWalton
vkn: lol lol the The aim of each website is to encourage peeps to stay as long as possible
AYWalton: if the entire text is taken from the original site the 1st time visitor, or reader might not visit the blog from which the post comes and where the post actually rests. quite true, and I am sure that the forum will encourage visitors to linger. But quoting from a blog--the blog itself could be bookmarked for a later visit as well.
alt: stay as long as possible.. right vkn... and links just make AfriGeneas a 'traffic cop" IMHO
vkn: clicking a link in 1 second rather than 5 secs takes the person to another place where thsy may stay for 30 secs. That is fine BUT our aim is to have a erson stay with us as long as possible. The bottom line is how long a person remains
AYWalton: well AfriGeneas is too big and too important for being a traffic cop. But---look at Christine Charity---hers is a traffic copy site and I go there often and spend time there.
vkn: Absolutely Alt Forum means lets talk for a while lol not hi and bye lol
AYWalton: Her site does not suffer from being in that role, and folks return to it as a result of getting good info. AND----if the forum provides more info---they will be back---for more. question about the Slavery database---any chances that it will be updated? I want to talk about it in an upcoming Baltimore AAHGS meeting.
vkn: We can talk further at what counts with advertisers and partners
AYWalton: I think folks are submitting info---hopefully they are.
vicky: I hope so too, especially after the call for slave owner decendants to submit what they have
vkn: Well hope all enjoy the style icons. Got a date with a guy in Germany. Take all care
vicky: bye vkn
AYWalton: especially with the two latest drives by GeorgeGeders's open letter, and the creation of AFriendofFriends.com
3rdthawkins: ok vkn bye
alt: each entity has it's place and purpose... and heaven knows we need them all.
freaainnc: vkn just wanted to let you know I have not forgotten about starting that chat, but I will get back to you about that after the 15th of this month. This is a crazy month for me
vkn: okies free
freaainnc: I'm moving the week of the 15th so after my move we'll "sit down" and solidify a plan
vkn: The more the merrier altt and ayw
AYWalton: okie dokie, VKN!
freaainnc: I need to get going, no more staying late in the room with this new job LOL
vkn: oops I meant alt. Each pot must support its own bottom lol lol lol
AYWalton: good luck with the new job, free.
AYWalton: lol I like that line, vkn, I will have to borrow it.
freaainnc: funny, it's my first day, but I have yet to do anything resembling genealogy or reference! LOL
vkn: take all care to all
vicky: bye vkn
Selma: I have to run folks .... see you this evening.
vicky: heyyyyy lol
AYWalton: I have to run, also. Everyone have a great day!
vicky: its track season lol
3rdthawkins: wow, every's dipping out, guess I will go to, bye everyone
Spivey: Oh, I will leave too. I want to attend Selma's Tuesday Night chat.
alt: folks running, huh vicky LOL
Spivey: 'Bye for now everyone.
vicky: me too I guess lol I know
alt: alone at last LOL
vicky: well alt, we both cant be last lol
alt: okay, I'll turn out the lights LOL
vicky: cya later and thanks again
3rdthawkins: hello charlene hello AY
AYWalton: good evenng all. hello 3rd, charlene. I guess Charlene is busy. how are you 3rd?
3rdthawkins: I'm good AY, have some good news concering my grgrgr grandmother Hannah Williamson.......I believe I found her mother
AYWalton: I know you are pleased then. it is always exciting to find new information.
3rdthawkins: yes, very, and on top of that, found marriage rec for one of my grgr grandmother's siblings, whom my 4th gr gm was living with
AYWalton: wonderful. Is this the same line that Selma and Vicky had helped you with before? howdy khathu? hope all is well with you.
3rdthawkins: also, my grandmother's brother was living in two different houses in 1930, one was his mother's cousin, and the othe rwas with his mother and stepfather hello Khathu, how is it going?
AYWalton: wb khathu. looks like we have you bouncing around a bit.
Khathu: Hello AYWalton, 3rd and charlene
AYWalton: hope all is well.
Khathu: just multitasking and not paying attention
AYWalton: I know how that goes. Have you mailed your application?
3rdthawkins: you're talking to me?? oh, Khathu, ok.......
Khathu: i am sending it off tomorrow
AYWalton: I was earlier when I asked about your lines. I am sure you will be successful, khathu.
Khathu: thanks AYWalton
AYWalton: Khathu will you be attending the Juneteenth event with the PG AAHGS?
Khathu: i dont think so
3rdthawkins: hello Selma
AYWalton: I will be traveling back to MD from Samford, so I probably won't either.
Selma: Good evening Tuesday night chatters
AYWalton: Greetings, Selma!!!!!!!!!
Khathu: i'm not too interested in the sessions
AYWalton: Oh Selma I got the package in the mail!!! Thank you thank you thank you!
Selma: Your welcome...are you planning to go to NARA and check it out
AYWalton: It was quite useful. I plan to go to the Archives to get to see the original rolls, this week.
Selma: OH good.. You were the first and only person I thought of when I read it I figured you would know what to do with it... Good evening charlene...welcome to the Tuesday night chat is this your 1st time here?
AYWalton: Plus I recognized the names of some of them. The Kemps for sure. Plus there was a typo in the article. Kimmish should really be Kiamitia.
Selma: I thought Bushyhead was an interesting name to say the least
AYWalton: (which we call Ki-mish) Bushyhead is an old Cherokee name.
AYWalton: named after Chief Bushyhead. http://digital.library.okstate.edu/encyclopedia/entries/B/BU015.html there was a long line of them, from the Cher Nation, and some of that line were slave owners as well.
AYWalton: I plan to find the documents mentioned. Oh what is the source of the article? what book or booklet was it from?
Selma: You mean what I sent you?..its downstairs, the author is Jacqueline Lawson published in 1995...( I think).. Oh I forgot to copy the cover..
Khathu: i am preparing to conduct some interviews this weekend
Selma: I am sure I picked it up at an AAHGS conference in the 1990's.. In person interviews or phone Khathu
Khathu: via the computer
AYWalton: Useful info---when you get a chance, take a photo of the article with a digital camera and then email it.
Selma: Ahh... I will..
AYWalton: what kind of interviews, khathu. Thanks so much, Selma.
Selma: Lots of folks doing interviews here lately, Pearl Alice was seeking help in query on the main mailing list
Khathu: using skype to make the call and record the conversation
AYWalton: yes, I saw her post, too, Selma.
Khathu: interviewing family members
AYWalton: Khathu note that you can also use tokbox to do the same thing. who will you be interviewing?
Selma: Ah..skype..think my son loaded skype on my laptop
AYWalton: Skype and tokbox are loads of fun. Keli1 said that is how she got to see her grandchildren growing up when the lived in Hawaii and she in Virginia. she uses both.
Khathu: never heard of tokbox
AYWalton: www.tokbox.com it is also free and you can have up to 20 people in the room at the same time. skype only allows for 2 people at a time. and you can see their faces as well.
Selma: tokbox sounks like a party...LOL
3rdthawkins: hello Ingrid
AYWalton: howdy Ingrid. it can be, Selma!
Selma: Good evening Ingrid
Ingrid_Doweary: Good evening Selma, Khathu, AYWalton, 3rd... did I leave out anyone?
Selma: Next thing you know vkn..will have these chats on skype and tokbox...then I have to comb my hair..
AYWalton: don't think so, Ingrid. lol, well Selma I do keep lipstick next to my computer. lol
Selma: Yes, well you do podcasts...so you have to look presentable
Khathu: Hello Ingrid
Selma: Have you met these interviewees (is that a word) before in person Khathu..or will this be the first time
AYWalton: well my podcasts are just voice. The videos of course I have to primp for those.
Khathu: i have met them in person as well as interviewed them
AYWalton: Using my studio tech makeup. lol
Selma: I meant the videos.. LOL
AYWalton: oh well, yes I do try to look presentable for those. After I write my notes I run for the makeup before the camera goes on. lol
Khathu: the people i will be interviewing again with be my grandmother, grand uncle, grand aunt, grandparents' first cousins
AYWalton: khathu where will they be---and where will you be?
Ingrid_Doweary: I'm probably behind on this, but I see your photo was included in a Family Tree Magazine article about genealogy videos.
Khathu: they are in CA and TX and I will be in DC
Ingrid_Doweary: Congrats, AY.
Khathu: i will be recording the conversation (audio) Hello Seventies
Seventies Soulchild: Good evening all!
AYWalton: Howdy SoulChile.
Selma: Good evening seventies
Ingrid_Doweary: Hey Seventies!
3rdthawkins: hello Sista SOULja >Seventies lol
Seventies Soulchild: Hello 3rd, AYWalton, Ingrid_Doweary, Khathu, Selma Is anyone currently doing any community research?
AYWalton: all the time, SoulChile.
Selma: Khathu on the folks you have interviewed before...will there be a new topic..or a continuation of the 1st
Seventies Soulchild: ok What community are you looking into now AYWalton?
Selma: Were you looking for something specific seventies..I think generally most of us do that
AYWalton: the same ones I have always looked into----the ones where I research. the same counties where my ancestors lived.
Ingrid_Doweary: Do you consider researching the community service activities of a local sorority chapter a type of community research, 70s?
AYWalton: only if they were in my communities.
Seventies Soulchild: Just trying to figure out what y'all were doing. Besides, a while back I did notice a trend of relatives from both sides of my maternal grandparents moving back and forth between two counties in MS
AYWalton: and my focus has always been looking for more information in the communities where I research. then they should both become your area of focus.
Khathu: it will be a continuation of the 1st
AYWalton: I just posted something on my African-Native blog about using old newspapers from the communities.
Seventies Soulchild: That's what I was considering AYWalton. I was trying to get information about Wilkinson Co. MS but not a lot of information online But the courthouse is chocked full of great information.
Khathu: but this will be the first time i will be recording the conversation
AYWalton: http://www.african-nativeamerican.blogspot.com/ that is the lastest post.
Seventies Soulchild: Ok
AYWalton: so they also have skype too---the folks you will be interviewing? I think that is great! you have to let us know how it goes.
Selma: I see genealogy bank has added some new AA newspapers...I might have to subscribe for a year just to see.
Ingrid_Doweary: Gonna multitask here for a little folks. BRB
Seventies Soulchild: Nice blog AYWalton
AYWalton: I have found that if you use the Defender---just try this from the search part: type in your state, and then your hometown. (thanks SoulChile) then see if any articles pertain to your hometown. I found over 30 articles on my hometown. Apparently a lady who lived there would send in to Chicago news about the black community.
Selma: I know AY..its incredible how much info is in some of these newspapers from other states..
AYWalton: I found the obit for the first black female teacher---and info on her funeral. the data is wonderful!
Seventies Soulchild: You know, speaking on the Chicago Defender, I wonder if they have any articles about goings on in Mississippi?
Selma: I bet they do Seventies... They had local correspondence that sent in info.. correspondents..
Seventies Soulchild: Kind of on topic, one of my FB friends son is running for senate seat up here and they are campaiging in MS and IL For campaign donations.
AYWalton: Well you won't know till you go and see, SoulChile.
Seventies Soulchild: I know... lol I haven't been looking seriously at newspapers yet. baby steps, baby steps...
Selma: An article about my husbands g grandmother death and funeral was in the Baltimore Afro American..and she lived and died in VA
Khathu: unfortunately they don't AYWalton
Seventies Soulchild: News spread pretty good back in those days.
Khathu: i can still call them using skype
AYWalton: quite true. So you will be recording their voices then. That should also work.
Selma: That will be a wonderful archive for your family Khathu
3rdthawkins: they have free trial, don't they Selma? or do they?
Selma: Who has a free trial?
Selma: They might..but I will probably subscribe for a year to play around with
3rdthawkins: I try to be optimistic about AA newspapers, but it all seems like fools gold for me
AYWalton: Newspaper archives is also very good. I have used that and found it quite useful. Anything offering access to old newspapers can be great!
Seventies Soulchild: Hey Sadonya!
AYWalton: HOWDY Sadonya!!1
3rdthawkins: I had a free trial to that AYWalton they have all the same newspapers that ancestry.com has so wasn't much use
Khathu: ho sadonya
3rdthawkins: hello Sadonya
Khathu: hello sadonya
Sadonya: hello every body.... how have you all been?
3rdthawkins: good Sadonya
Sadonya: and what happy with your family research
Selma: Evening Sadonya..doing good, how are you?
Seventies Soulchild: Hello jhonora!
3rdthawkins: hello jhonora
Selma: Evening jhonora
AYWalton: hey hey hey, it's honoray!! howdy jhonora!
3rdthawkins: lots Sadonya
jhonora: evening 3rd, AY, Selma, Sadonya, Khathu, Ingrid, 70s
Seventies Soulchild: hello rcs
3rdthawkins: hello rcs
Selma: Evening rcs
Sadonya: I am on a flex schedule sometimes its hard to know if I am coming or going .. can't wait for the next bid for hours
rcs: good evening all
AYWalton: well take it easy when you can, Sadonya!
3rdthawkins: Wow! Hoosiers is such a Great Basketball Movie
Ingrid_Doweary: Hey RCS.
Sadonya: I have a small tidbit to share I got a call from a lady in MS... she got my number from her cousin in CA that saw a family book I had put together I th ought thszt was amazing
Ingrid_Doweary: Hey Sadonya a & Jhonora
Selma: Thats great Seventies...is she also in your family?
Seventies Soulchild: ok... huh? lol
AYWalton: what did she say, Sadonya, did she want you to do one on her family as well?
Seventies Soulchild: Must've been a mighty impressive book. . . Now I'm curious as to what it looks like. . .
Spivey: Hello everyone.
Seventies Soulchild: Hi Spivey
Ingrid_Doweary: Hey Spivey
Selma: Oops just realized I got the "S"..sadonya and spivey confused..you know its late for me
3rdthawkins: Hey Spivey-rific
Spivey: I thought I was her before and no one answered when I spoke. Geez, I am losing it bigtime!
Selma: Evening spivey
Spivey: I must still have been in the concierge.
rcs: vcccc ng Spivey
Spivey: CS! Long time no see.
Seventies Soulchild: LOL Selma, its ok.
rcs: Good evening Spivey
Spivey: RCS that is. Sorry about that. Is there a topic tonight?
AYWalton: open topic this evening, spivey.
rcs: We were all taliking about you till you cam in
Khathu: it is hard trying to get these pictures from folks
Selma: Like pulling teeth..Khathu
Seventies Soulchild: Just go ahead and hop a flight down to TX before the gas and airline tickets get outrageous. . . again.
AYWalton: always wise to take a digital camera with you so that you can snap and go.
Khathu: i guess i will need to do a road trip through Louisiana, Missouri and Texas with my scanner and laptop
Spivey: I know about that Khathu. My grandmother's photo disappeared when my Mom died. My cousin says he has a studio portrait photo of her. I have been waiting for it for about seven years.
AYWalton: a road trip would be great!
Seventies Soulchild: Hey let me know when and where so I can ride wit ya!
AYWalton: you will have to blog about it should you decide to hit the road.
Khathu: i need to travel to a lot of hick towns
AYWalton: I have learned to take no prisoners, when I am on a genealogy mission.
rcs: Missouri is HOT in the summer
Sadonya: hey there Spivey how are you feeling?
Khathu: Texas is even hotter
Seventies Soulchild: Sure is Khathu!
AYWalton: that way your time is your and no need to worry about folks getting bored when you want to keep going.
Spivey: I am much better Sadonya. How are you?
3rdthawkins: my uncle spoke with my long lost brother and told him he was going to send a photo of his parents (our grandparents), but my brother never heard from it since
AYWalton: take no prisoners.
3rdthawkins: that was 2008
Seventies Soulchild: and AYWalton means that too. . .
Sadonya: Angela she has a brick wall she wants help getting over and wanted to know if I would go a book for her family
Spivey: 3rdthawkins, my cousin has the nerve to visit every now and then and always makes the same promise.
Seventies Soulchild: Sadonya, you do publishing?
Sadonya: since she has done so much work I told her I would help her put a book together
Spivey: Seven whole years . . . .
rcs: Pictures are a tough issue
AYWalton: absolutely! No one has the same research demands and some of us who are die hards can't be hampered by folks who can only do one or two hours.
Sadonya: yes Seventies Soulchild
3rdthawkins: I don't know Khathu, I've been in both states now, hot is just HOT, but I hear AZ is worse, and I'm about to go there for my gm's b-day
Khathu: absolutely.....i am the lone ranger when i am on a genealogy mission
AYWalton: now you are talking, khathu!
Seventies Soulchild: Ok well I'll have to get with you on FB. you hardly ever post, now I know why lol
Ingrid_Doweary: That's the spirit, Khathu! lol
AYWalton: genealogy is a passion for the independent. Once we get started, when we break is our own call.
Khathu: i can't have any distractions
Seventies Soulchild: lol and all I have are distractions!
Spivey: Anyone want to help me out a bit? I have a problem I just discovered today.
Khathu: i can research for 10 hours straight without taking a break especially when i am in Salt Lake City
AYWalton: and a true researcher knows not to impose on others research time. Oh yes I agree khathu.
3rdthawkins: we'll all be glad to see what we can do Spivey
Seventies Soulchild: Oh you went to SLC? wow.
Spivey: Wow, Khathu. But, I know the feeling. When I get into a library, I don't want to leave.
AYWalton: I used to have a tradition the day after Thanksgiving---from 9 to 9. opened the place up and shut it down!
Sadonya: Spivey whats your issue?
Khathu: I learned early on...have your own transportation and equipment
Ingrid_Doweary: What's the problem, Spivey?
AYWalton: during the AAHGS conference in Salt Lake in 2006 they kep the place open for us till 11 pm.
Spivey: Thanks. Let me begin. I had a Kelsey family member that I show as having been married three times. I talked to his daughter today [for the first time] and she said her father has only been married once.
Selma: Didn't the Allen County library stay open till Midnite one night?
Ingrid_Doweary: That's why I'm either a lone ranger or with a fellow researcher. Family has their own timetable.
AYWalton: yes a researcher who is equally devoted to doing their thing---I can fully understand that. Yes, it was open pretty late.
Spivey: I need to see if my records are straight. I think about the possibility she never knew her father was married before or after marriage to her mother. She is 89 so we are going some years back.
3rdthawkins: yeah, hard to convince people of those things Spivey
AYWalton: I did not pull the late night as I had to prepare for my presentation the next day and made sure I had good rest.
Sadonya: Spivey do you have documentation of the 3 marriages?
Khathu: i am prepared. planning a road trip through Texas (Houston, Dallas, Jewett, Ft. Worth, Naples, Denton and San Antonio) late August
Spivey: Not really Sadonya. I don't have documentation of any of his marriages, including the one to this lady's mother.
AYWalton: so is it just your word against hers?
Sadonya: so where did you get the info he had been married 3 times?
Spivey: No, AYWalton. She just may not have been aware, or I may be wrong.
AYWalton: I would not engage in an argument with an 89 year old to convince the elder of anything. And ESPECIALLY with no documentation. AND if you are not sure---then there is no dilemna, say nothing.
Ingrid_Doweary: I concur AY.
Sadonya: Spivey we have to remember a lot times folks did not get married formally but if they lived with a women they considered her his wife
Spivey: Oh, I have no intention of arguing with her. I just want my records to be accurate. I already told her I had three marriages down for him. That's when she said he was only married once.
Khathu: Are you sure it is the same person?
Selma: Where did you get the information that he was married 3 times?
Sadonya: that may be true and then again he may have never married just lived with women
Khathu: have you been able to locate divorce records for the individual?
Spivey: Mainly from census records and other researchers.
3rdthawkins: other researchers? or the researches?
Spivey: In Georgia there were not those kinds of records Khathu. My families mainly kept marriages, births, deaths, etc. in family bibles.
Sadonya: Spivey I would not discount what she said but just look for the proof
Khathu: divorce records will be at the courthouse
Spivey: That is what I am doing Sadonya. Not discounting what she said at all. She would know much better than I do.
Sadonya: Spivey girl what you talking about yes there is those kinds of records in GA... just a lot of us did not bother to go to the government
AYWalton: Spivey keep in mind---the census record might refer to various facts about a person---but it is not verification of anything other than the number of people who lived in a particular place.
3rdthawkins: have to agree with everyone, you have to take the elderlys' word for it, I have found on a lot of occasions where they would say something that didn't make sense, and vola, through more research, it is as they said
Spivey: If I give you his name, can someone look at the census records I am referring to and see where I might have mistaken him for someone else?
deannie: Hi everyone....it's a full house
AYWalton: That is the purpose of it. It is not there to verify marriages, or to confirm them.
Seventies Soulchild: Hi deannie
Spivey: Hi Deannie.
AYWalton: there are things that you can glean from the census but the census is not information to verify that a person was married x number of times.
Selma: Evening deannie
Sadonya: Spivey maybe its the same person with several names
AYWalton: after all the person who provided the information is not even identified.
Ingrid_Doweary: Hey Deannie.
AYWalton: We have no idea who spoke to the census taker when they came around.
Spivey: I think I am being misunderstood here. I already said I am not disagreeing or arguing with the lady. I said I just want my records to be accurate, no matter which of us is correct.
3rdthawkins: sometimes census takers made mistakes, I have seen on occaions where wife was placed, then scribbled and daughter was written over
Sadonya: there are a couple of census that say how many times the person had been married
Ingrid_Doweary: I understand your position, Spivey.
Selma: Or they would say they were married and weren't...census taker is not there to confirm marital status
3rdthawkins: hello deannie
AYWalton: there are clues to use, yes and you can take note of what the record said---but census records are not marriage records---only marriage records are official sources of data of a marriage.
Spivey: Acknowledged, AYWalton, but there are other members of the same family branch who are also coming up with the same information.
rcs: post your list of census references to the surname board and I will look at them
AYWalton: and if they are looking at the same document, perhaps so. But here is an 89 year old woman whose FATHER we are talking about. And no one--even those in agreement were around for all of her FATHER's marriages.
Seventies Soulchild: Ok good night everyone. Enjoy your week.
Selma: Are you all looking at the same documents...or do they have access to something you don't
Spivey: Not just census records, AYWalton, but family heritage. There are children of children who were born of his 'other' marriages.
AYWalton: genealogy is about the records. relationships can be viewed as marriages, by many.
Selma: Ahh..I was going to ask about other children besides her
Spivey: Okay. Thanks for your help.
3rdthawkins: hmmmmm, I guess that's proof then
AYWalton: and there is common law recogninzed by many.
3rdthawkins: well, not of marriages
Khathu: goodnight everyone
3rdthawkins: but proof of other women
AYWalton: proof is in the documentation.
Spivey: I am dropping the topic. You see, in my family, not everything was recorded into a 'record book.
AYWalton: there probabaly were other women---no doubt about that.
Sadonya: in the south Common Law marriage is just as legal as if they stood before who ever and got married
Spivey: I guess my family was backwards.
AYWalton: yes that did happen in many states where Common Law was respected.
Ingrid_Doweary: Unique perhaps, Spivey.
AYWalton: I think it is today still in some places.
jhonora: La. doesn't recognize common law marriage
rcs: Well turn them around so they face frontwards
AYWalton: is that right jhonora?
jhonora: We are a Civil Law state, using the Napoleonic Code.
AYWalton: lol @rcs.
Spivey: Not so unique among my Kelsey ancestors Ingrid_Doweary. They had a habit of marrying two or three times. One wife would die or leave and they would marry a younger woman.
rcs: and we can look at them if you post your censs record references to the Surname boards
AYWalton: that's right Louisiana would be, from it's old traditions.
Ingrid_Doweary: Ahhhh, Jhonora
Spivey: I will try to remember how to do that RCS. Thanks.
Sadonya: Spivey not backwards.. in TN a couple had to pay a $1250 bond to get married so if you did not have the money you just lived together and if you stayed together for 10 years it was legal in AL common law is legal after 7 years
AYWalton: that is a good example, Sadonya!
Spivey: Same in Georgia Sadonya. But, when there is an insistence on 'records' it leaves me no where to turn to.
AYWalton: and many folks did not have the money, quite right.
3rdthawkins: what my gf's cousin told me, was that my grgr grandmother was the nurse for my grgr grandfather's first wife, when the first wife died, he married the nurse (my grgr grandmother)
Ingrid_Doweary: That'ds significant info Sadonya
rcs: An unfortunately large number of women died of child birth complications, and the husband frequently remarried
deannie: I have a case...my gggreat uncle Gabe Tyler of Fayette, Ms had two families.....Mary his wife and Martha his mistress (who lived next to my gggrandfather Andrew...his was with both for over 20 yrs...with children born by each .... every other year
3rdthawkins: only a year after she died
Spivey: Common law marriages were recognized in Georgia until the mid-1950's I believe.
AYWalton: yes, a high mortality rate.
Sadonya: yes rcs if wife died and there were small children that man got a new wife really quick
AYWalton: Hey there, deannie---I didn't see you slip in the door!
Spivey: That sounds like my maternal grandfather Deannie.
rcs: So multiple marrieges were common even among"settled" folks\
deannie: Where are they from
jhonora: One of my distant cousin's grandmother married her first cousin. Because they married in church, the consanguinity (shared blood) was indicated.
Selma: Approximately what years did these "3" marriages occur
Sadonya: There is another law in GA not well known... on March 9, 1865 any couple living together that were put together in slavery were then legally married
Spivey: Oh, that is a new one for me Sadonya.
jhonora: I'ved found several mixed race couples who had been together from the 1830s and 40s who legitimized their marriages in Reconstruction.
AYWalton: that is where some of the many co-habitation records come from.
Selma: This is one month before Confederates surrendered..who wrote that law Sadonya
Sadonya: the state of Georgia
Ingrid_Doweary: How did they go about legitimizing their marriage, Jhonora?
Sadonya: I found that infor in a pension file
rcs: In rural Missouri some of the ex-slaves married their partners in a new ceremony
jhonora: They went to a notary to attest to their long-term relationship and legitimize the children.
Ingrid_Doweary: Thank you very much folks. This is new information to me particular examining legal civil actions in some of those southern, secessionist states.
3rdthawkins: my gf's cousin's maternal grandfather (white) had to sign and affidavit (sp?) to marry a black woman (who was the cousin's maternal grandmother
Ingrid_Doweary: Where did Alabama fall with these marriage practices?
AYWalton: Not sure about that, Ingrid.
3rdthawkins: or I should say great grandfather
jhonora: Interestingly, when the La. legislature prohibited miscegenation in 1894, the N.O. bishop spoke against it. They would have rathered see married mixed-couples than unmarried couples.
AYWalton: that is quite interesting, jhonora.
Ingrid_Doweary: I'm curious, AY, it is believed my husband's maternal grandmother may have been the product of a domestic worker and the employer or his son.
Spivey: I have a website but can't paste it. What's the procedure again?
AYWalton: interestingly in Maryland, some of the oldest records on slaves come from Jesuit records.
Ingrid_Doweary: That is interesting, AY.
AYWalton: they owned many slaves as well, and they did not want slave just having children---so they baptized them and married them, as well. so there are records that go back to the late 1600s in Maryland, on slaves.
jhonora: They sold a lot of them to La., in fact I think the majority.
rcs: those relationships are really hard to confirm Ingrid_Doweary
AYWalton: some of those records exist today at Healy Hall at Georgetown University.
rcs: I have two living relatives from that kind of relationship -- and it remains a delicate topic
Ingrid_Doweary: I'm sure they are, RCS. I just want to give it the old college try. Thanks Spivey.
jhonora: The Jesuit records I've seen here, they very creatively avoided ownership by borrowing from neighboring families. They always call them "Jacques, the carpenter" or "Louise, the cook," slave is almost never mentioned.
Spivey: You're welcome Ingrid_Doweary. I forgot I can't paste a URL in this room and wanted to know how. I ended up just typing it in.
vicky: hello all!
3rdthawkins: hello vkn and vicky
AYWalton: Hello there VKN!!!!!!!!!!! howdy Ms. Vicky!
jhonora: Heyyy vkn!
Spivey: Hi, Misses Vicky and Vee.
vkn: good evenng 2 all
Ingrid_Doweary: Hey Vicky and Vkn
Sadonya: Spivey actually you can copy a paste a URL
AYWalton: in Maryland they were slaves.
3rdthawkins: push Ctrl and V Spivey
AYWalton: hope all is well, VKN!!!!
vkn: going well ayw
Spivey: I thought you could, Sadonya, but forgot how. No answer when I asked so with the new room set up I thought you couldn't.
Sadonya: when you copy the URL to get in the chat window you click on CRTL V
rcs: Ctrl C then ctrl V same as cut and paste anywhere
Spivey: There you go [again]. Hope I remember that. RCS, I use the shortcut icons. I don't remember the keystrokes. :x
vicky: looks like there was a lively topic going on regarding marriages
rcs: Don't like icons
Spivey: Oh. I use them all the time.
Selma: Ingrid...Barnetta White listed the laws as they pertained to marriages of ex-slaves in the southern states in the intro in her 3 volume books on cohabitation lists for NC
vicky: oops for your link on cool nurse
Spivey: I was trying to post the link Miss Vicky and forgot how.
Ingrid_Doweary: Thnx, Selma. I'll take a look at that.
Sadonya: Vicky actually Spivey had a question on of her ancestors was married she thought 3 times but one of his children says he was only married once it took off from there
Selma: Evening vicky and spivey
Spivey: Hi Selma.
vicky: ok got it this time! I went back up to the first post heyy Selma!
Selma: Hi spivey..I spoke when you first came in
Spivey: Sorry Selma.
Ingrid_Doweary: Yup. Understanding the American Civics history is quite valuable.
Spivey: Miss Vicky the discussion began with me telling information I learned today from the daughter of an ancestor whom I thought was married three times and the daughter says her father was married only once.
vicky: I see
Spivey: It did get quite lively and Ingrid asked about the laws in states and I looked for that resource. Couldn't get it posted at first though. 8S
vicky: most of the marriages I have on my paternal side happened between 1877-78. I think they got together as a group lol
Spivey: I had another site that told about when common law marriages stopped being recognized. I am still looking for that one.
Selma: Time for me to go folks...night all
vicky: do you mean in your state or is that all states
AYWalton: I too have to run. Have a great evening everyone.
rcs: Well I live in a State of Confusion -- what were the marriage laws there?
Spivey: It was all states Miss Vicky. That's where I learned that two states [can't remember which ones] still recognize common-law marriages.
3rdthawkins: Let me finish watching Rocky......he's getting his mac on with Adrian right now (Part I) lol
Sadonya: The laws for marriage are different for every state
vkn: 2 funny rcs
Sadonya: Tennessee has a law on the books that you are allowed to marry your first cousin
Ingrid_Doweary: I wonder how many of those state/ county civil union issues originated from individual or personal legislation?
Sadonya: I found a white family in GA that did that they kept information in a bible
vicky: I don't think I could do that one Sadonya!
Sadonya: none of us could we have been brianed washed but think about it.. in Europe they did it all the time keep the money in the family
vicky: yes for sure
Ingrid_Doweary: Oh okay Sadonya, I see your point.
jhonora: I come from a set of cousins who married.
vicky: were they 1st
Sadonya: good for your family
rcs: cousin marriages were quite common insmall communities
vicky: I guess! I should know that. especially here in Az with the Mormon community
rcs: usually second cousins or more distant
Sadonya: now a days 3rd cousins think it is a crime to get together their common ancestor is great great grand parent
deannie: I have a friend now who is married to her thrid cousin
rcs: second cousin marriages required catholic church approval -- further separation marriages did not
Sadonya: thats interesting
deannie: They did not know they were cousin until they when to a family meeting...but they were together about a year at the time
rcs: I had an uncle an aunt who were 1/2 first coussins
Ingrid_Doweary: How was that, RCS?
Spivey: Okay. That does it for that topic. LOL.
vkn: sadonya needing your help with the osborne research in tn and the senior group
rcs: My great granfather was married twice -- 14 children lived to adult hood
Spivey: The Wikipedia discussion is detailed and informative.
Sadonya: I have been waiting for you to give me details VKN
rcs: is from the first wife my line is from the first wife
Ingrid_Doweary: oh oklay.
Sadonya: my gg grandfather Tom Sanders is said to have had 3 wives and 29 children
vkn: it is all at the site sadonya. ... sent you a message from there
rcs: My uncle steve(back in the 1930s) went to work for his 1/2 uncle -- from the second family
Sadonya: I am sorry what site?
vkn: oops lol
Spivey: Same with one of my Kelsey ancestors Sadonya. His wives were always years younger than him, except for his first.
rcs: He and Annie got together and she got pregnant
deannie: My gggreat uncle children from his and mistress are still not together as a family
vkn: afriseniors sadonya
Sadonya: I do not recall that one
jhonora: I know of one man who was married four times and had 25? children
rcs: So ------------ there was no option at the time other than a quick marriage
Sadonya: I will look for it but the most facinating family I research was one that had 19 kids with same mother and father
Spivey: That is fascinating. A lot of women didn't live that long because they gave birth so often.
vicky: one better jhonora. Slyvester Primous a man here has 29 children. two marriages though
Sadonya: Spivey thats what I thought also and they were from GA
vkn: yall be good and take care
vicky: nite v
jhonora: Wow! A cousin of mine had 30 plus, and each set really didn't know the next.
Ingrid_Doweary: Nite Vkn
jhonora: Night vkn
vicky: he and all his kids were listed in Ebony yrs ago
Spivey: Well, actually my grandmother had 12 during the early 1900s and would have had more had her husband been a proper acting person. LOL.
rcs: My father was oneof12 So I have 90+ first cousins
Spivey: A fellow researcher made a statement that it was unlikely that a woman would give birth over a 32 year period. I pointed that my maternal grandmother gave birth over a period of over 22 years, so why not?
Sadonya: wow you are family rich
deannie: I work in a Federal Work release program...and I think drug dealer think they should do the same.....but they think have a lot of children is a status thing with them....
rcs: I can lend you a few
vicky: losts of cousins rcs. I wish I had some on my maternal side
Sadonya: I think the census form was wrong but I found a woman that was said to have had her first child at age 6
Ingrid_Doweary: That's almost biolgically impossible unless she was menustratiing.
vicky: agree with that deannie. In fact on one of the shows I think they said something like that
rcs: I have met some 6 year olds and consider that not very likely
vicky: probably 16 Sadonya
Sadonya: no 9
rcs: suspect she was a second wife were from fisrt
Ingrid_Doweary: Yea I think somebody left off a digit.
Spivey: I have heard of girls having children at 9 Sadonya. It still happens today in some countries.
deannie: I am able to speak them in the prison and in out program....I have a present inmate with 19 children...and he claims them all
vicky: jhonora I am saddened about the BP news today
Sadonya: yall dont understand her oldest child was born when according to her age then she was 6 years old
rcs: In some Moslem countries marriage is still legal at that age (Mohammed did it) but children?? later
Sadonya: I use to live in AL when I was a child I was told that back in the day if a girl got to be 15 and was not married she was a old maid
Ingrid_Doweary: I glad the AG is finally starting a criminal investigation into the matter.
jhonora: Yeah, the fishermen, shrimpers, and seafood dealers will hurt badly.
Spivey: I don't think it is necessary for a woman to be menstruating when she becomes pregnant. Many do who have gone through the change and are no longer doing so.
Sadonya: 12 and 13 were the going ages to get married
Spivey: That is true Sadonya.
vicky: me to ingrid.. It seems like the more I look at that video the more it seems like its getting bigger
Spivey: I am surprised by my female relatives who got married in their 20's and 30's.
vicky: and pray tell if a hurricane come
Spivey: Most were in their early teens.
Sadonya: no now a days girls are not ready at age 25 at 12 its indecent
rcs: I have seen one case of an early teenage marriage in MS, all others were typical young adult
Spivey: My sister's father-in law married his 14 year old sister in law when his wife died RCS. Legally. In Florida.
Sadonya: in T
deannie: That was the normal for my grandmother (br 1904) and mother (br 1924) to get married by age 15
Spivey: And that was during the 1930's rcs.
Sadonya: in TN I found a marriage where a 16 year wanted to marry and mother had to write a note giving premission and they mircofilmed the note that was an awesome find
vicky: indeed it was Sadonya
deannie: I seen licenses like that
Spivey: I agree Sadonya. Wow. Well, time for me to leave. It was nice spending this time with you all. Goodnight. Miss Vicky, I am no longer the night owl I once was. LOL.
Ingrid_Doweary: I'm going to say goodnite folks. It's been educational.
deannie: I enjoy the chat....it was on time....thanks and go nite to all
vicky: well my cousins dont have any money, my cougar days are over, and I have made my vows to this computer.lol
rcs: That permission was necessary in Missouri as well
jhonora: Well, I am signing off. See y'all.
Ingrid_Doweary: Nite all
vicky: guess I will look around and see what I can find nite all
rcs: good night all