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* * The Concierge

Start: 21:52:42
End: 21:53:47
Chatters: Spivey

Spivey: Hello everyone. Hello everyone. Is anyone here? I can see people but don't hear anybody. :)

* LunchBunch

Start: 12:01:09
End: 13:06:49
Chatters: 3rdthawkins, alt, AYWalton, freaainnc, Khathu, passingiton, Professordru, Selma, Seventies Soulchild, Spivey, vicky, vkn

passingiton: hey 3rd

3rdthawkins: hello pass

passingiton: hey alt

alt: hello y'all

3rdthawkins: noon alt

passingiton: how was your Memorial Day?

alt: mine was fine ... yours?

passingiton: I woke up bright and early to call GA vital recs since they couldn't locate Tobe Mitchel(l) death cert, so I ended up calling the health dept, they had no prob locating it....

vicky: hello 3rd alt and passingiton!

3rdthawkins: hello vicky

passingiton: the lady was nice she couldn't tell me who the informant was, but she told me in so many words, but parents were listed as DK

alt: same office ?

3rdthawkins: wow, interesting, great pass

passingiton: back to the drawing board

alt: keep thedrawing board close lol

vicky: I just read your conversation regarding uh oh puter keeps freezing

Khathu: hello everyone

passingiton: hey Khathu

alt: hello Khathu

vicky: why could they not give you the informants name, was it a recent death

alt: and vicky

vicky: hi there khathu

3rdthawkins: hello Khahtu

passingiton: 1949, she did give it to me though in so many words, she asked who was the wife and then was like who was Christine, so I summized

vicky: i see lol Are the Ga records online anywhere

passingiton: not the dc after 31

vicky: oh wow!

3rdthawkins: did you tell them it was for genealogy passingiton? most places say that it cannot be done over the phone if it's genealogy or something

passingiton: she told me, the wife who was the informant married him when he was ailing and from what I heard it was for his wife so she may not have cared to give info it was for his house I meant to type

alt: well at least you're making headway Hello AYWAlton

passingiton: wb vicky

AYWalton: Good afternoon, all.

passingiton: hi AYWalton

AYWalton: hello 3rd, alt, khathu, passingiton. I hope everyone is doing well.

Khathu: Hello AYWalton

3rdthawkins: hello AY

AYWalton: I hope that everyone had a nice holiday weekend.

passingiton: cold and rainy here but blessed nonetheless

alt: I did.. and hope your's went well AYWalton

passingiton: how was yours

AYWalton: pretty good.

alt: we went to a family cookout yesterday afternoon in Columbus, OH.... Anita's sister and her family Hi Selma

AYWalton: Howdy Ms. Selma!!!!!!!!!

passingiton: hi Selma

AYWalton: hope all is well with you.

Selma: Good Tuesday afternoon 3rd, alt, AY, Khathu, passingiton and myself

alt: lil' darlings still with you Selma?

Selma: No the litle darlins...are home...LOL..

alt: ages Selma ?

Selma: of the little darlins?...2, 4 and 12

3rdthawkins: hello Selma

AYWalton: what a range!

alt: ah so, okay

AYWalton: Your hands are full! Oops! am I back in the room?

alt: boys/girls?

passingiton: wb ay

Selma: are in the room...

alt: old nosy Alt wants to know LOL

Selma: 2 boys and girl is 2 years old..

alt: okay

Selma: AY...I mailed you the FB info on Saturday

3rdthawkins: wb Pro Dru :)

alt: hello Dru

AYWalton: The FB as in Facebook?

Khathu: hello Selma and Dru

Selma: Afternoon Dru...your WDYTYA postings are great

AYWalton: ProfessorDru is in da house!

Professordru: hello gang

AYWalton: yes that is a great post!

Professordru: thanks selma

alt: DRu.. Vance Co. & Edgecombe Co aren't too far apart in NC.... and Ihave some Edgecombe Bullocks.

passingiton: hey Professordru

alt: and an Andrew Bullock

Professordru: ok alt

AYWalton: I did not get anything Selma.

alt: just maybe, perhaps a long shot. but who knows

Selma: I sent it by snail mail...I copied the pages and the index... I am trying to help the postal workers keep their jobs

alt: good, I have a son and a daughter with the US Postal Service LOL

AYWalton: Oh in regular mail!! Ok thanks I shall watch out for it. I thought you meant Facebook. lol

Selma: I am not on FACEBOOK...

AYWalton: so what was FB?

Professordru: alt, when was your andrew bullock born?

3rdthawkins: Freedman Bureau?

alt: hold it DRu.. be right back atcha

Selma: I didn't say anything about Facebook ...for me FB is Freedmen's Bureau Didn't you ask for the Choctow entries...

3rdthawkins: hello Seventies

passingiton: hey 70s

Selma: Afternoon seventies

Seventies Soulchild: Good afternoon all. 3rd, alt, AYWalton, Khathu, passingiton, Professordru, Selma

AYWalton: Yes, I did. I mistook FB to mean Facebook but glad you found it on Freedman's Bureau instead. hello SoulChile.

Khathu: Hey Seventies

Selma: LOL

Professordru: hey 70s

alt: Professordru .. my andrew Bullock born ca 1892 in Edgecombe co Hello 70's

Professordru: ok alt

Spivey: Hello everyone.

Khathu: Hello Spivey

Selma: Afternoon Spivey

alt: hello Spivey

freaainnc: hi!

passingiton: hi Spivey and free

alt: Hi free & wb vicky

Professordru: howdy free

passingiton: wb vicky

Seventies Soulchild: Hi vicky! How did I miss you?!

Spivey: Alt, I got a new computer. Can you give me the URL of that radio station again?

3rdthawkins: hello three amigoes Spivey free and vicky :)

Khathu: hello free

vicky: hello all who I have not seen earlier

Selma: Afternoon free and vicky

Spivey: Hi Free.

3rdthawkins: wb vicky

Seventies Soulchild: Hi Spivey

freaainnc: Howdy Spivey!

alt: there you go Spivey

Spivey: Oh, now I can rock in my rocking chair again Alt. Thanks.

Seventies Soulchild: Hi freeaainnc!

alt: yw Spivey

freaainnc: hi SS :)

Seventies Soulchild: Ok y'all all had a good weekend?

vicky: Did everyone spend their day off researching or do you all have other lives?

Seventies Soulchild: partied all weekend, mostly... lol

vicky: lol I bet you had a nice time

Khathu: i spent part of the weekend researching and the other half hanging out

vicky: find anything new Khathu

Khathu: I saw Erykah Badu at Constitution Hall on Friday

freaainnc: lol Vicky! I spent the day nursing a migraine and laying on the couch watching TV

Spivey: I was living one of my other lives Miss Vicky.

Seventies Soulchild: Hm I thought she was going to be at Pier Six, Khathu?

3rdthawkins: so Seventies Soulchild LOL

vicky: gee thanks Seventies 8S

Khathu: i discovered that a cousin had some pictures i have been trying to obtain

passingiton: just rub it in

Seventies Soulchild: lol no problem y'all

Khathu: and she is willing to send them to me

Seventies Soulchild: that's great Khathu!

passingiton: that is great Khathu

vicky: good gor you Spivey good for you spivey

Khathu: Erykah was in DC on Fri/Sat

Seventies Soulchild: oh okay

vicky: you mean the streaker lol

alt: Khathu... you know you can set up an email account on TP and they can mail the photos directly into your TP site..

Spivey: Well, back at it today. On hiatus since my other life began last Friday. :)

Khathu: She doesn't have email

Spivey: What is TP Khathu?

Professordru: Have any of you visited the library of congress before?

Khathu: tribal pages

alt: oh, okay too bad LOL

Seventies Soulchild: No. Have you gone there recently Professordru?

Khathu: i have dru

Spivey: Ah, thanks. Is that were you have your website Khathu?

vicky: not me prof dru

Khathu: i usually go there twice a month

Professordru: Do they just have one microfilm room? If so, what building is it in?

Khathu: it is a family history website

AYWalton: I have used the section with old newspapers in the Madison bldg. Need to use other resources as well.

freaainnc: not me Dru

AYWalton: Greetings, VKN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seventies Soulchild: hello vkn!

freaainnc: hi V!

Professordru: hey vee

Khathu: I think there is more than one Dru

alt: hello vkn

AYWalton: greetings VKN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

vicky: hello vkn!

vkn: Howdy all yall

Spivey: Hi Miss Vee.

freaainnc: well today is the first day of my new job :)

Professordru: Soulchille, I'm planning a visit later this month.

passingiton: hey vkn

Khathu: I am usually in the newspaper and genealogy/local history room

AYWalton: Microfilm is in both buildings, as I understand, but I have only used the Madison Bldg.

passingiton: congrats free

vkn: Congrats free

Khathu: hello vkn

Seventies Soulchild: Ok Professor Dru

AYWalton: that is Madison, right khathu.

freaainnc: thanks :)

Professordru: I plan to look at some city directories on microfilm.

Spivey: For your own research or for others as well, Khathu?

alt: and you've got time for us free... how nice

Seventies Soulchild: I read a couple of weeks ago that the LOC was going to document and store tweets

Khathu: for my own research

Seventies Soulchild: I thought that was interesting

vicky: I guess seventies a new phenom

Professordru: khathu, is there a long wait at the loc to get microfilm?

passingiton: well, I have to go, 2 little girls with beautiful thick hair that needs combing

Professordru: bye

passingiton: have a great day all

Khathu: I never had to wait long but i am usually there around 5pm

Seventies Soulchild: have a good day passingiton

AYWalton: later, dru.

Spivey: Okay. Your research is much more extensive than mine, Khathu and I don't know that those records would be of use to me right now.

vicky: lol ok passingiton good luck

Khathu: okay

vicky: Are you staying a couple days Prof Dru

Professordru: I meant bye to passington

vicky: not sure where you live in relation to the LOC

Professordru: I plan to stay in the Richmond area and drive to northern VA and take th subway for the day.

Seventies Soulchild: Ok well I can't eat and eat bbq chicken at the same time... I'll check in a bit later... after I eat my homemade pound cake... lol

AYWalton: eat and eat?

vicky: BOINK!!!

AYWalton: lol

freaainnc: LOL

Seventies Soulchild: lol

Professordru: lol

Seventies Soulchild: I type too fast! lol

Spivey: Wow, Seventies Soulchild. I was confused.

Seventies Soulchild: later all

vicky: later bowl of cherrios for me

vkn: Announce

vicky: Professor Dru, R directories all you are going to look for?

3rdthawkins: hello vkn

vicky: ok vkn

vkn: Pleae note that the message box on the forum now permits style text

AYWalton: I think think that the Madison building which houses the genealogy section would be the most useful.

3rdthawkins: would that be like html vkn?

vkn: so be sure tp preview your text before posting to be sure it looks as you would have it,

vicky: good deal vkn

alt: okay vkn.. thanks for the heads-up

freaainnc: sorry, back :)

Professordru: vicky, right now that is the plan. I'm still studying their website to see what they have.

vkn: Also we are encouraging all these beautiful blogs to be posted to the writers forum

Khathu: have a great day everyone

vkn: Certainly they can encourage bidding writers to follow your lead

AYWalton: That is a good idea, vkn!

vkn: also include at least a one line segue with the message. THANX to all

AYWalton: and possibly also could there be a link to AfriGeneas member blogs from the main page?

Professordru: will do, vkn

alt: vkn, do you encourage them to copy & paste their blog entry or just paste the link?

freaainnc: vkn: what do you mean a one line segue with the message? example?

vkn: The fewer links the better alt

AYWalton: I think a link to the blog would be sufficient maybe with a sentence or two followed by a "for more info click link below..." kind of statement.

alt: right.. I'd like to read the blog with having to click on a link to read it,,, but that's jys me

Professordru: gotta run.

AYWalton: but the text belongs on the site where it was created.

alt: but that doesn't help with the "blog traffic count" when you don't click on the link

AYWalton: it is the intellectual property of the creator of the text. and it also exposes the 1st time visitor to the blog, and provides another avenue--and the more avenues we have the better.

alt: does that change with a 'copy & paste' AYWalton

vkn: lol lol the The aim of each website is to encourage peeps to stay as long as possible

AYWalton: if the entire text is taken from the original site the 1st time visitor, or reader might not visit the blog from which the post comes and where the post actually rests. quite true, and I am sure that the forum will encourage visitors to linger. But quoting from a blog--the blog itself could be bookmarked for a later visit as well.

alt: stay as long as possible.. right vkn... and links just make AfriGeneas a 'traffic cop" IMHO

vkn: clicking a link in 1 second rather than 5 secs takes the person to another place where thsy may stay for 30 secs. That is fine BUT our aim is to have a erson stay with us as long as possible. The bottom line is how long a person remains

AYWalton: well AfriGeneas is too big and too important for being a traffic cop. But---look at Christine Charity---hers is a traffic copy site and I go there often and spend time there.

vkn: Absolutely Alt Forum means lets talk for a while lol not hi and bye lol

AYWalton: Her site does not suffer from being in that role, and folks return to it as a result of getting good info. AND----if the forum provides more info---they will be back---for more. question about the Slavery database---any chances that it will be updated? I want to talk about it in an upcoming Baltimore AAHGS meeting.

vkn: We can talk further at what counts with advertisers and partners

AYWalton: I think folks are submitting info---hopefully they are.

vicky: I hope so too, especially after the call for slave owner decendants to submit what they have

vkn: Well hope all enjoy the style icons. Got a date with a guy in Germany. Take all care

vicky: bye vkn

AYWalton: especially with the two latest drives by GeorgeGeders's open letter, and the creation of

3rdthawkins: ok vkn bye

alt: each entity has it's place and purpose... and heaven knows we need them all.

freaainnc: vkn just wanted to let you know I have not forgotten about starting that chat, but I will get back to you about that after the 15th of this month. This is a crazy month for me

vkn: okies free

freaainnc: I'm moving the week of the 15th so after my move we'll "sit down" and solidify a plan :)

vkn: The more the merrier altt and ayw

AYWalton: okie dokie, VKN!

freaainnc: I need to get going, no more staying late in the room with this new job LOL

vkn: oops I meant alt. Each pot must support its own bottom lol lol lol

AYWalton: good luck with the new job, free.

freaainnc: thanks!

AYWalton: lol I like that line, vkn, I will have to borrow it.

freaainnc: funny, it's my first day, but I have yet to do anything resembling genealogy or reference! LOL

Selma: LOL

freaainnc: bye!

vkn: take all care to all

vicky: bye vkn

Selma: I have to run folks .... see you this evening.

vicky: heyyyyy lol

AYWalton: I have to run, also. Everyone have a great day!

vicky: its track season lol

3rdthawkins: wow, every's dipping out, guess I will go to, bye everyone

Spivey: Oh, I will leave too. I want to attend Selma's Tuesday Night chat.

alt: folks running, huh vicky LOL

Spivey: 'Bye for now everyone.

vicky: me too I guess lol I know

alt: alone at last LOL

vicky: well alt, we both cant be last lol

alt: okay, I'll turn out the lights LOL

vicky: cya later and thanks again

alt: bye

* TuesNiteChat

Start: 20:59:08
End: 23:09:53
Chatters: 3rdthawkins, AYWalton, deannie, Ingrid_Doweary, jhonora, Khathu, rcs, Sadonya, Selma, Seventies Soulchild, Spivey, vicky, vkn

3rdthawkins: hello charlene hello AY

AYWalton: good evenng all. hello 3rd, charlene. I guess Charlene is busy. how are you 3rd?

3rdthawkins: I'm good AY, have some good news concering my grgrgr grandmother Hannah Williamson.......I believe I found her mother

AYWalton: I know you are pleased then. it is always exciting to find new information.

3rdthawkins: yes, very, and on top of that, found marriage rec for one of my grgr grandmother's siblings, whom my 4th gr gm was living with

AYWalton: wonderful. Is this the same line that Selma and Vicky had helped you with before? howdy khathu? hope all is well with you.

3rdthawkins: also, my grandmother's brother was living in two different houses in 1930, one was his mother's cousin, and the othe rwas with his mother and stepfather hello Khathu, how is it going?

AYWalton: wb khathu. looks like we have you bouncing around a bit.

Khathu: Hello AYWalton, 3rd and charlene

AYWalton: hope all is well.

Khathu: just multitasking and not paying attention

AYWalton: I know how that goes. Have you mailed your application?

3rdthawkins: you're talking to me?? oh, Khathu, ok.......

Khathu: i am sending it off tomorrow

AYWalton: I was earlier when I asked about your lines. I am sure you will be successful, khathu.

Khathu: thanks AYWalton

AYWalton: Khathu will you be attending the Juneteenth event with the PG AAHGS?

Khathu: i dont think so

3rdthawkins: hello Selma

AYWalton: I will be traveling back to MD from Samford, so I probably won't either.

Selma: Good evening Tuesday night chatters

AYWalton: Greetings, Selma!!!!!!!!!

Khathu: i'm not too interested in the sessions

AYWalton: Oh Selma I got the package in the mail!!! Thank you thank you thank you!

Selma: Your welcome...are you planning to go to NARA and check it out

AYWalton: It was quite useful. I plan to go to the Archives to get to see the original rolls, this week.

Selma: OH good.. You were the first and only person I thought of when I read it I figured you would know what to do with it... Good evening charlene...welcome to the Tuesday night chat is this your 1st time here?

AYWalton: Plus I recognized the names of some of them. The Kemps for sure. Plus there was a typo in the article. Kimmish should really be Kiamitia.

Selma: I thought Bushyhead was an interesting name to say the least

AYWalton: (which we call Ki-mish) Bushyhead is an old Cherokee name.

Selma: Oh

AYWalton: named after Chief Bushyhead. there was a long line of them, from the Cher Nation, and some of that line were slave owners as well.

Selma: Interesting

AYWalton: I plan to find the documents mentioned. Oh what is the source of the article? what book or booklet was it from?

Selma: You mean what I sent you?..its downstairs, the author is Jacqueline Lawson published in 1995...( I think).. Oh I forgot to copy the cover..

Khathu: i am preparing to conduct some interviews this weekend

Selma: I am sure I picked it up at an AAHGS conference in the 1990's.. In person interviews or phone Khathu

Khathu: via the computer

AYWalton: Useful info---when you get a chance, take a photo of the article with a digital camera and then email it.

Selma: Ahh... I will..

AYWalton: what kind of interviews, khathu. Thanks so much, Selma.

Selma: Lots of folks doing interviews here lately, Pearl Alice was seeking help in query on the main mailing list

Khathu: using skype to make the call and record the conversation

AYWalton: yes, I saw her post, too, Selma.

Khathu: interviewing family members

AYWalton: Khathu note that you can also use tokbox to do the same thing. who will you be interviewing?

Selma: my son loaded skype on my laptop

AYWalton: Skype and tokbox are loads of fun. Keli1 said that is how she got to see her grandchildren growing up when the lived in Hawaii and she in Virginia. she uses both.

Khathu: never heard of tokbox

AYWalton: it is also free and you can have up to 20 people in the room at the same time. skype only allows for 2 people at a time. and you can see their faces as well.

Selma: tokbox sounks like a party...LOL

3rdthawkins: hello Ingrid

AYWalton: howdy Ingrid. it can be, Selma!

Selma: Good evening Ingrid

Ingrid_Doweary: Good evening Selma, Khathu, AYWalton, 3rd... did I leave out anyone?

Selma: Next thing you know vkn..will have these chats on skype and tokbox...then I have to comb my hair..

AYWalton: don't think so, Ingrid. lol, well Selma I do keep lipstick next to my computer. lol

Selma: Yes, well you do you have to look presentable

Khathu: Hello Ingrid

Selma: Have you met these interviewees (is that a word) before in person Khathu..or will this be the first time

AYWalton: well my podcasts are just voice. The videos of course I have to primp for those.

Khathu: i have met them in person as well as interviewed them

AYWalton: Using my studio tech makeup. lol

Selma: I meant the videos.. LOL

AYWalton: oh well, yes I do try to look presentable for those. After I write my notes I run for the makeup before the camera goes on. lol

Khathu: the people i will be interviewing again with be my grandmother, grand uncle, grand aunt, grandparents' first cousins

AYWalton: khathu where will they be---and where will you be?

Ingrid_Doweary: I'm probably behind on this, but I see your photo was included in a Family Tree Magazine article about genealogy videos.

Khathu: they are in CA and TX and I will be in DC

Ingrid_Doweary: Congrats, AY.

Khathu: i will be recording the conversation (audio) Hello Seventies

Seventies Soulchild: Good evening all!

AYWalton: Howdy SoulChile.

Selma: Good evening seventies

Ingrid_Doweary: Hey Seventies!

3rdthawkins: hello Sista SOULja >Seventies lol

Seventies Soulchild: Hello 3rd, AYWalton, Ingrid_Doweary, Khathu, Selma ;) Is anyone currently doing any community research?

AYWalton: all the time, SoulChile.

Selma: Khathu on the folks you have interviewed before...will there be a new topic..or a continuation of the 1st

Seventies Soulchild: ok What community are you looking into now AYWalton?

Selma: Were you looking for something specific seventies..I think generally most of us do that

AYWalton: the same ones I have always looked into----the ones where I research. the same counties where my ancestors lived.

Ingrid_Doweary: Do you consider researching the community service activities of a local sorority chapter a type of community research, 70s?

AYWalton: only if they were in my communities.

Seventies Soulchild: Just trying to figure out what y'all were doing. Besides, a while back I did notice a trend of relatives from both sides of my maternal grandparents moving back and forth between two counties in MS

AYWalton: and my focus has always been looking for more information in the communities where I research. then they should both become your area of focus.

Khathu: it will be a continuation of the 1st

AYWalton: I just posted something on my African-Native blog about using old newspapers from the communities.

Seventies Soulchild: That's what I was considering AYWalton. I was trying to get information about Wilkinson Co. MS but not a lot of information online But the courthouse is chocked full of great information.

Khathu: but this will be the first time i will be recording the conversation

AYWalton: that is the lastest post.

Seventies Soulchild: Ok

AYWalton: so they also have skype too---the folks you will be interviewing? I think that is great! you have to let us know how it goes.

Selma: I see genealogy bank has added some new AA newspapers...I might have to subscribe for a year just to see.

Ingrid_Doweary: Gonna multitask here for a little folks. BRB :)

Seventies Soulchild: Nice blog AYWalton

AYWalton: I have found that if you use the Defender---just try this from the search part: type in your state, and then your hometown. (thanks SoulChile) then see if any articles pertain to your hometown. I found over 30 articles on my hometown. Apparently a lady who lived there would send in to Chicago news about the black community.

Selma: I know AY..its incredible how much info is in some of these newspapers from other states..

AYWalton: I found the obit for the first black female teacher---and info on her funeral. the data is wonderful!

Seventies Soulchild: You know, speaking on the Chicago Defender, I wonder if they have any articles about goings on in Mississippi?

Selma: I bet they do Seventies... They had local correspondence that sent in info.. correspondents..

Seventies Soulchild: Kind of on topic, one of my FB friends son is running for senate seat up here and they are campaiging in MS and IL For campaign donations.

AYWalton: Well you won't know till you go and see, SoulChile.

Seventies Soulchild: I know... lol I haven't been looking seriously at newspapers yet. baby steps, baby steps...

Selma: An article about my husbands g grandmother death and funeral was in the Baltimore Afro American..and she lived and died in VA

Khathu: unfortunately they don't AYWalton

Seventies Soulchild: News spread pretty good back in those days.

Khathu: i can still call them using skype

AYWalton: quite true. So you will be recording their voices then. That should also work.

Khathu: yes.....

Selma: That will be a wonderful archive for your family Khathu

3rdthawkins: they have free trial, don't they Selma? or do they?

Khathu: yes.....

Selma: Who has a free trial?

3rdthawkins: Genealogybank

Selma: They might..but I will probably subscribe for a year to play around with

3rdthawkins: I try to be optimistic about AA newspapers, but it all seems like fools gold for me

AYWalton: Newspaper archives is also very good. I have used that and found it quite useful. Anything offering access to old newspapers can be great!

Seventies Soulchild: Hey Sadonya!

AYWalton: HOWDY Sadonya!!1

3rdthawkins: I had a free trial to that AYWalton they have all the same newspapers that has so wasn't much use

Khathu: ho sadonya

3rdthawkins: hello Sadonya

Khathu: hello sadonya

Sadonya: hello every body.... how have you all been?

3rdthawkins: good Sadonya

Sadonya: and what happy with your family research

Selma: Evening Sadonya..doing good, how are you?

Seventies Soulchild: Hello jhonora!

3rdthawkins: hello jhonora

Selma: Evening jhonora

AYWalton: hey hey hey, it's honoray!! howdy jhonora!

3rdthawkins: lots Sadonya :)

jhonora: evening 3rd, AY, Selma, Sadonya, Khathu, Ingrid, 70s

Seventies Soulchild: hello rcs

3rdthawkins: hello rcs

Selma: Evening rcs

Sadonya: I am on a flex schedule sometimes its hard to know if I am coming or going .. can't wait for the next bid for hours

rcs: good evening all

AYWalton: well take it easy when you can, Sadonya!

3rdthawkins: Wow! Hoosiers is such a Great Basketball Movie

Ingrid_Doweary: Hey RCS.

Sadonya: I have a small tidbit to share I got a call from a lady in MS... she got my number from her cousin in CA that saw a family book I had put together I th ought thszt was amazing

Ingrid_Doweary: Hey Sadonya a & Jhonora

Selma: Thats great she also in your family?

Seventies Soulchild: ok... huh? lol

AYWalton: what did she say, Sadonya, did she want you to do one on her family as well?

Seventies Soulchild: Must've been a mighty impressive book. . . Now I'm curious as to what it looks like. . .

Spivey: Hello everyone.

Seventies Soulchild: Hi Spivey

Ingrid_Doweary: Hey Spivey

Selma: Oops just realized I got the "S"..sadonya and spivey know its late for me

3rdthawkins: Hey Spivey-rific :)

Spivey: I thought I was her before and no one answered when I spoke. Geez, I am losing it bigtime!

Selma: Evening spivey

Spivey: I must still have been in the concierge.

rcs: vcccc ng Spivey

Spivey: CS! Long time no see.

Seventies Soulchild: LOL Selma, its ok. ;)

rcs: Good evening Spivey

Spivey: RCS that is. Sorry about that. Is there a topic tonight?

AYWalton: open topic this evening, spivey.

rcs: We were all taliking about you till you cam in

Spivey: LOL.

Khathu: it is hard trying to get these pictures from folks

Selma: Like pulling teeth..Khathu

Seventies Soulchild: Just go ahead and hop a flight down to TX before the gas and airline tickets get outrageous. . . again.

AYWalton: always wise to take a digital camera with you so that you can snap and go.

Khathu: i guess i will need to do a road trip through Louisiana, Missouri and Texas with my scanner and laptop

Spivey: I know about that Khathu. My grandmother's photo disappeared when my Mom died. My cousin says he has a studio portrait photo of her. I have been waiting for it for about seven years.

AYWalton: a road trip would be great!

Seventies Soulchild: Hey let me know when and where so I can ride wit ya! ;)

AYWalton: you will have to blog about it should you decide to hit the road.

Khathu: i need to travel to a lot of hick towns

AYWalton: I have learned to take no prisoners, when I am on a genealogy mission.

rcs: Missouri is HOT in the summer

Sadonya: hey there Spivey how are you feeling?

Khathu: Texas is even hotter

Seventies Soulchild: Sure is Khathu!

AYWalton: that way your time is your and no need to worry about folks getting bored when you want to keep going.

Spivey: I am much better Sadonya. How are you?

3rdthawkins: my uncle spoke with my long lost brother and told him he was going to send a photo of his parents (our grandparents), but my brother never heard from it since

AYWalton: take no prisoners.

3rdthawkins: that was 2008

Seventies Soulchild: and AYWalton means that too. . .

Sadonya: Angela she has a brick wall she wants help getting over and wanted to know if I would go a book for her family

Spivey: 3rdthawkins, my cousin has the nerve to visit every now and then and always makes the same promise.

Seventies Soulchild: Sadonya, you do publishing?

Sadonya: since she has done so much work I told her I would help her put a book together

Spivey: Seven whole years . . . .

rcs: Pictures are a tough issue

AYWalton: absolutely! No one has the same research demands and some of us who are die hards can't be hampered by folks who can only do one or two hours.

Sadonya: yes Seventies Soulchild

3rdthawkins: I don't know Khathu, I've been in both states now, hot is just HOT, but I hear AZ is worse, and I'm about to go there for my gm's b-day

Khathu: absolutely.....i am the lone ranger when i am on a genealogy mission

AYWalton: now you are talking, khathu!

Seventies Soulchild: Ok well I'll have to get with you on FB. you hardly ever post, now I know why lol

Ingrid_Doweary: That's the spirit, Khathu! lol

AYWalton: genealogy is a passion for the independent. Once we get started, when we break is our own call.

Khathu: i can't have any distractions

Seventies Soulchild: lol and all I have are distractions!

Spivey: Anyone want to help me out a bit? I have a problem I just discovered today.

Khathu: i can research for 10 hours straight without taking a break especially when i am in Salt Lake City

AYWalton: and a true researcher knows not to impose on others research time. Oh yes I agree khathu.

3rdthawkins: we'll all be glad to see what we can do Spivey

Seventies Soulchild: Oh you went to SLC? wow.

Spivey: Wow, Khathu. But, I know the feeling. When I get into a library, I don't want to leave.

AYWalton: I used to have a tradition the day after Thanksgiving---from 9 to 9. opened the place up and shut it down!

Sadonya: Spivey whats your issue?

Khathu: I learned early on...have your own transportation and equipment

Ingrid_Doweary: What's the problem, Spivey?

AYWalton: during the AAHGS conference in Salt Lake in 2006 they kep the place open for us till 11 pm.

Ingrid_Doweary: Wow!

Spivey: Thanks. Let me begin. I had a Kelsey family member that I show as having been married three times. I talked to his daughter today [for the first time] and she said her father has only been married once.

Selma: Didn't the Allen County library stay open till Midnite one night?

Ingrid_Doweary: That's why I'm either a lone ranger or with a fellow researcher. Family has their own timetable.

AYWalton: yes a researcher who is equally devoted to doing their thing---I can fully understand that. Yes, it was open pretty late.

Spivey: I need to see if my records are straight. I think about the possibility she never knew her father was married before or after marriage to her mother. She is 89 so we are going some years back.

3rdthawkins: yeah, hard to convince people of those things Spivey

AYWalton: I did not pull the late night as I had to prepare for my presentation the next day and made sure I had good rest.

Sadonya: Spivey do you have documentation of the 3 marriages?

Khathu: i am prepared. planning a road trip through Texas (Houston, Dallas, Jewett, Ft. Worth, Naples, Denton and San Antonio) late August

Spivey: Not really Sadonya. I don't have documentation of any of his marriages, including the one to this lady's mother.

AYWalton: so is it just your word against hers?

Sadonya: so where did you get the info he had been married 3 times?

Spivey: No, AYWalton. She just may not have been aware, or I may be wrong.

AYWalton: I would not engage in an argument with an 89 year old to convince the elder of anything. And ESPECIALLY with no documentation. AND if you are not sure---then there is no dilemna, say nothing.

Ingrid_Doweary: I concur AY.

Sadonya: Spivey we have to remember a lot times folks did not get married formally but if they lived with a women they considered her his wife

Spivey: Oh, I have no intention of arguing with her. I just want my records to be accurate. I already told her I had three marriages down for him. That's when she said he was only married once.

Khathu: Are you sure it is the same person?

Selma: Where did you get the information that he was married 3 times?

Sadonya: that may be true and then again he may have never married just lived with women

Khathu: have you been able to locate divorce records for the individual?

Spivey: Mainly from census records and other researchers.

3rdthawkins: other researchers? or the researches?

Spivey: In Georgia there were not those kinds of records Khathu. My families mainly kept marriages, births, deaths, etc. in family bibles.

Sadonya: Spivey I would not discount what she said but just look for the proof

Khathu: divorce records will be at the courthouse

Spivey: That is what I am doing Sadonya. Not discounting what she said at all. She would know much better than I do.

Sadonya: Spivey girl what you talking about yes there is those kinds of records in GA... just a lot of us did not bother to go to the government

AYWalton: Spivey keep in mind---the census record might refer to various facts about a person---but it is not verification of anything other than the number of people who lived in a particular place.

3rdthawkins: have to agree with everyone, you have to take the elderlys' word for it, I have found on a lot of occasions where they would say something that didn't make sense, and vola, through more research, it is as they said

Spivey: If I give you his name, can someone look at the census records I am referring to and see where I might have mistaken him for someone else?

deannie: Hi's a full house

AYWalton: That is the purpose of it. It is not there to verify marriages, or to confirm them.

Seventies Soulchild: Hi deannie

Spivey: Hi Deannie.

AYWalton: there are things that you can glean from the census but the census is not information to verify that a person was married x number of times.

Selma: Evening deannie

Sadonya: Spivey maybe its the same person with several names

AYWalton: after all the person who provided the information is not even identified.

Ingrid_Doweary: Hey Deannie.

AYWalton: We have no idea who spoke to the census taker when they came around.

Spivey: I think I am being misunderstood here. I already said I am not disagreeing or arguing with the lady. I said I just want my records to be accurate, no matter which of us is correct.

3rdthawkins: sometimes census takers made mistakes, I have seen on occaions where wife was placed, then scribbled and daughter was written over

Sadonya: there are a couple of census that say how many times the person had been married

Ingrid_Doweary: I understand your position, Spivey.

Selma: Or they would say they were married and weren't...census taker is not there to confirm marital status

3rdthawkins: hello deannie

AYWalton: there are clues to use, yes and you can take note of what the record said---but census records are not marriage records---only marriage records are official sources of data of a marriage.

Spivey: Acknowledged, AYWalton, but there are other members of the same family branch who are also coming up with the same information.

rcs: post your list of census references to the surname board and I will look at them

AYWalton: and if they are looking at the same document, perhaps so. But here is an 89 year old woman whose FATHER we are talking about. And no one--even those in agreement were around for all of her FATHER's marriages.

Seventies Soulchild: Ok good night everyone. Enjoy your week.

Selma: Are you all looking at the same documents...or do they have access to something you don't

Spivey: Not just census records, AYWalton, but family heritage. There are children of children who were born of his 'other' marriages.

AYWalton: genealogy is about the records. relationships can be viewed as marriages, by many.

Selma: Ahh..I was going to ask about other children besides her

Spivey: Okay. Thanks for your help.

3rdthawkins: hmmmmm, I guess that's proof then

AYWalton: and there is common law recogninzed by many.

3rdthawkins: well, not of marriages

Khathu: goodnight everyone

3rdthawkins: but proof of other women

AYWalton: proof is in the documentation.

Spivey: I am dropping the topic. You see, in my family, not everything was recorded into a 'record book.

AYWalton: there probabaly were other women---no doubt about that.

Sadonya: in the south Common Law marriage is just as legal as if they stood before who ever and got married

Spivey: I guess my family was backwards.

AYWalton: yes that did happen in many states where Common Law was respected.

Ingrid_Doweary: Unique perhaps, Spivey.

AYWalton: I think it is today still in some places.

jhonora: La. doesn't recognize common law marriage

rcs: Well turn them around so they face frontwards

AYWalton: is that right jhonora?

jhonora: We are a Civil Law state, using the Napoleonic Code.

AYWalton: lol @rcs.

Spivey: Not so unique among my Kelsey ancestors Ingrid_Doweary. They had a habit of marrying two or three times. One wife would die or leave and they would marry a younger woman.

rcs: and we can look at them if you post your censs record references to the Surname boards

AYWalton: that's right Louisiana would be, from it's old traditions.

Ingrid_Doweary: Ahhhh, Jhonora

Spivey: I will try to remember how to do that RCS. Thanks.

Sadonya: Spivey not backwards.. in TN a couple had to pay a $1250 bond to get married so if you did not have the money you just lived together and if you stayed together for 10 years it was legal in AL common law is legal after 7 years

AYWalton: that is a good example, Sadonya!

Spivey: Same in Georgia Sadonya. But, when there is an insistence on 'records' it leaves me no where to turn to.

AYWalton: and many folks did not have the money, quite right.

3rdthawkins: what my gf's cousin told me, was that my grgr grandmother was the nurse for my grgr grandfather's first wife, when the first wife died, he married the nurse (my grgr grandmother)

Ingrid_Doweary: That'ds significant info Sadonya

rcs: An unfortunately large number of women died of child birth complications, and the husband frequently remarried

deannie: I have a gggreat uncle Gabe Tyler of Fayette, Ms had two families.....Mary his wife and Martha his mistress (who lived next to my gggrandfather Andrew...his was with both for over 20 yrs...with children born by each .... every other year

3rdthawkins: only a year after she died

Spivey: Common law marriages were recognized in Georgia until the mid-1950's I believe.

AYWalton: yes, a high mortality rate.

Sadonya: yes rcs if wife died and there were small children that man got a new wife really quick

AYWalton: Hey there, deannie---I didn't see you slip in the door!

Spivey: That sounds like my maternal grandfather Deannie.

rcs: So multiple marrieges were common even among"settled" folks\

deannie: Where are they from

jhonora: One of my distant cousin's grandmother married her first cousin. Because they married in church, the consanguinity (shared blood) was indicated.

Selma: Approximately what years did these "3" marriages occur

Sadonya: There is another law in GA not well known... on March 9, 1865 any couple living together that were put together in slavery were then legally married

Spivey: Oh, that is a new one for me Sadonya.

jhonora: I'ved found several mixed race couples who had been together from the 1830s and 40s who legitimized their marriages in Reconstruction.

AYWalton: that is where some of the many co-habitation records come from.

Selma: This is one month before Confederates surrendered..who wrote that law Sadonya

Sadonya: the state of Georgia

Ingrid_Doweary: How did they go about legitimizing their marriage, Jhonora?

Sadonya: I found that infor in a pension file

rcs: In rural Missouri some of the ex-slaves married their partners in a new ceremony

jhonora: They went to a notary to attest to their long-term relationship and legitimize the children.

Ingrid_Doweary: Thank you very much folks. This is new information to me particular examining legal civil actions in some of those southern, secessionist states.

3rdthawkins: my gf's cousin's maternal grandfather (white) had to sign and affidavit (sp?) to marry a black woman (who was the cousin's maternal grandmother

Ingrid_Doweary: Where did Alabama fall with these marriage practices?

AYWalton: Not sure about that, Ingrid.

3rdthawkins: or I should say great grandfather

jhonora: Interestingly, when the La. legislature prohibited miscegenation in 1894, the N.O. bishop spoke against it. They would have rathered see married mixed-couples than unmarried couples.

AYWalton: that is quite interesting, jhonora.

Ingrid_Doweary: I'm curious, AY, it is believed my husband's maternal grandmother may have been the product of a domestic worker and the employer or his son.

Spivey: I have a website but can't paste it. What's the procedure again?

AYWalton: interestingly in Maryland, some of the oldest records on slaves come from Jesuit records.

Ingrid_Doweary: That is interesting, AY.

AYWalton: they owned many slaves as well, and they did not want slave just having children---so they baptized them and married them, as well. so there are records that go back to the late 1600s in Maryland, on slaves.

jhonora: They sold a lot of them to La., in fact I think the majority.

rcs: those relationships are really hard to confirm Ingrid_Doweary

AYWalton: some of those records exist today at Healy Hall at Georgetown University.


rcs: I have two living relatives from that kind of relationship -- and it remains a delicate topic

Ingrid_Doweary: I'm sure they are, RCS. I just want to give it the old college try. Thanks Spivey.

jhonora: The Jesuit records I've seen here, they very creatively avoided ownership by borrowing from neighboring families. They always call them "Jacques, the carpenter" or "Louise, the cook," slave is almost never mentioned.

Spivey: You're welcome Ingrid_Doweary. I forgot I can't paste a URL in this room and wanted to know how. I ended up just typing it in. :(

vicky: hello all!

3rdthawkins: hello vkn and vicky

AYWalton: Hello there VKN!!!!!!!!!!! howdy Ms. Vicky!

jhonora: Heyyy vkn!

Spivey: Hi, Misses Vicky and Vee.

vkn: good evenng 2 all

Ingrid_Doweary: Hey Vicky and Vkn

Sadonya: Spivey actually you can copy a paste a URL

AYWalton: in Maryland they were slaves.

3rdthawkins: push Ctrl and V Spivey

AYWalton: hope all is well, VKN!!!!

vkn: going well ayw

Spivey: I thought you could, Sadonya, but forgot how. No answer when I asked so with the new room set up I thought you couldn't.

Sadonya: when you copy the URL to get in the chat window you click on CRTL V


rcs: Ctrl C then ctrl V same as cut and paste anywhere

Spivey: There you go [again]. Hope I remember that. RCS, I use the shortcut icons. I don't remember the keystrokes. :x

vicky: looks like there was a lively topic going on regarding marriages

rcs: Don't like icons

Sadonya: yes

Spivey: Oh. I use them all the time.

Selma: Ingrid...Barnetta White listed the laws as they pertained to marriages of ex-slaves in the southern states in the intro in her 3 volume books on cohabitation lists for NC

vicky: oops for your link on cool nurse

Spivey: I was trying to post the link Miss Vicky and forgot how.

Ingrid_Doweary: Thnx, Selma. I'll take a look at that.

Sadonya: Vicky actually Spivey had a question on of her ancestors was married she thought 3 times but one of his children says he was only married once it took off from there

Selma: Evening vicky and spivey

Spivey: Hi Selma.

vicky: ok got it this time! I went back up to the first post heyy Selma!

Selma: Hi spivey..I spoke when you first came in

Spivey: Sorry Selma.

Ingrid_Doweary: Yup. Understanding the American Civics history is quite valuable.

Spivey: Miss Vicky the discussion began with me telling information I learned today from the daughter of an ancestor whom I thought was married three times and the daughter says her father was married only once.

vicky: I see

Spivey: It did get quite lively and Ingrid asked about the laws in states and I looked for that resource. Couldn't get it posted at first though. 8S

vicky: most of the marriages I have on my paternal side happened between 1877-78. I think they got together as a group lol

Spivey: I had another site that told about when common law marriages stopped being recognized. I am still looking for that one.

Selma: Time for me to go folks...night all

vicky: do you mean in your state or is that all states

AYWalton: I too have to run. Have a great evening everyone.

rcs: Well I live in a State of Confusion -- what were the marriage laws there?

Spivey: It was all states Miss Vicky. That's where I learned that two states [can't remember which ones] still recognize common-law marriages.

3rdthawkins: Let me finish watching Rocky......he's getting his mac on with Adrian right now (Part I) lol

vicky: hehehehe@rcs

Sadonya: The laws for marriage are different for every state

vkn: 2 funny rcs

Sadonya: Tennessee has a law on the books that you are allowed to marry your first cousin

Ingrid_Doweary: I wonder how many of those state/ county civil union issues originated from individual or personal legislation?

Sadonya: I found a white family in GA that did that they kept information in a bible

vicky: I don't think I could do that one Sadonya!

Sadonya: none of us could we have been brianed washed but think about it.. in Europe they did it all the time keep the money in the family

vicky: yes for sure

Ingrid_Doweary: Oh okay Sadonya, I see your point.

jhonora: I come from a set of cousins who married.

vicky: were they 1st

Sadonya: good for your family

rcs: cousin marriages were quite common insmall communities

vicky: I guess! I should know that. especially here in Az with the Mormon community

Sadonya: lol

rcs: usually second cousins or more distant

Sadonya: now a days 3rd cousins think it is a crime to get together their common ancestor is great great grand parent


deannie: I have a friend now who is married to her thrid cousin

rcs: second cousin marriages required catholic church approval -- further separation marriages did not

Sadonya: thats interesting

deannie: They did not know they were cousin until they when to a family meeting...but they were together about a year at the time

rcs: I had an uncle an aunt who were 1/2 first coussins


Ingrid_Doweary: How was that, RCS?

Spivey: Okay. That does it for that topic. LOL.

vkn: sadonya needing your help with the osborne research in tn and the senior group

rcs: My great granfather was married twice -- 14 children lived to adult hood

Spivey: The Wikipedia discussion is detailed and informative.

Sadonya: I have been waiting for you to give me details VKN

rcs: is from the first wife my line is from the first wife

Ingrid_Doweary: oh oklay.

Sadonya: my gg grandfather Tom Sanders is said to have had 3 wives and 29 children

vkn: it is all at the site sadonya. ... sent you a message from there

rcs: My uncle steve(back in the 1930s) went to work for his 1/2 uncle -- from the second family

Sadonya: I am sorry what site?

vkn: oops lol

Spivey: Same with one of my Kelsey ancestors Sadonya. His wives were always years younger than him, except for his first.

rcs: He and Annie got together and she got pregnant

deannie: My gggreat uncle children from his and mistress are still not together as a family

Sadonya: yep

vkn: afriseniors sadonya

Sadonya: I do not recall that one

jhonora: I know of one man who was married four times and had 25? children

rcs: So ------------ there was no option at the time other than a quick marriage

Sadonya: I will look for it but the most facinating family I research was one that had 19 kids with same mother and father

vkn: okies

Spivey: That is fascinating. A lot of women didn't live that long because they gave birth so often.

vicky: one better jhonora. Slyvester Primous a man here has 29 children. two marriages though

Sadonya: Spivey thats what I thought also and they were from GA

vkn: yall be good and take care

vicky: nite v

jhonora: Wow! A cousin of mine had 30 plus, and each set really didn't know the next.

Ingrid_Doweary: Nite Vkn

jhonora: Night vkn

vicky: he and all his kids were listed in Ebony yrs ago

Spivey: Well, actually my grandmother had 12 during the early 1900s and would have had more had her husband been a proper acting person. LOL.

rcs: My father was oneof12 So I have 90+ first cousins

Spivey: A fellow researcher made a statement that it was unlikely that a woman would give birth over a 32 year period. I pointed that my maternal grandmother gave birth over a period of over 22 years, so why not?

Sadonya: wow you are family rich

deannie: I work in a Federal Work release program...and I think drug dealer think they should do the same.....but they think have a lot of children is a status thing with them....

rcs: I can lend you a few

vicky: losts of cousins rcs. I wish I had some on my maternal side

Sadonya: I think the census form was wrong but I found a woman that was said to have had her first child at age 6

Ingrid_Doweary: That's almost biolgically impossible unless she was menustratiing.

vicky: agree with that deannie. In fact on one of the shows I think they said something like that

rcs: I have met some 6 year olds and consider that not very likely

vicky: probably 16 Sadonya

Sadonya: no 9

rcs: suspect she was a second wife were from fisrt

Ingrid_Doweary: Yea I think somebody left off a digit.

Spivey: I have heard of girls having children at 9 Sadonya. It still happens today in some countries.

deannie: I am able to speak them in the prison and in out program....I have a present inmate with 19 children...and he claims them all

vicky: jhonora I am saddened about the BP news today

Sadonya: yall dont understand her oldest child was born when according to her age then she was 6 years old

rcs: In some Moslem countries marriage is still legal at that age (Mohammed did it) but children?? later

Sadonya: I use to live in AL when I was a child I was told that back in the day if a girl got to be 15 and was not married she was a old maid

Ingrid_Doweary: I glad the AG is finally starting a criminal investigation into the matter.

jhonora: Yeah, the fishermen, shrimpers, and seafood dealers will hurt badly.

Spivey: I don't think it is necessary for a woman to be menstruating when she becomes pregnant. Many do who have gone through the change and are no longer doing so.

Sadonya: 12 and 13 were the going ages to get married

Spivey: That is true Sadonya.

vicky: me to ingrid.. It seems like the more I look at that video the more it seems like its getting bigger

Spivey: I am surprised by my female relatives who got married in their 20's and 30's.

vicky: and pray tell if a hurricane come

Spivey: Most were in their early teens.

Sadonya: no now a days girls are not ready at age 25 at 12 its indecent

rcs: I have seen one case of an early teenage marriage in MS, all others were typical young adult

Spivey: My sister's father-in law married his 14 year old sister in law when his wife died RCS. Legally. In Florida.

Sadonya: in T

deannie: That was the normal for my grandmother (br 1904) and mother (br 1924) to get married by age 15

Spivey: And that was during the 1930's rcs.

Sadonya: in TN I found a marriage where a 16 year wanted to marry and mother had to write a note giving premission and they mircofilmed the note that was an awesome find

vicky: indeed it was Sadonya

deannie: I seen licenses like that

Ingrid_Doweary: Indeed

Spivey: I agree Sadonya. Wow. Well, time for me to leave. It was nice spending this time with you all. Goodnight. Miss Vicky, I am no longer the night owl I once was. LOL.

Ingrid_Doweary: I'm going to say goodnite folks. It's been educational.

deannie: I enjoy the was on time....thanks and go nite to all

Spivey: Goodnight.

vicky: well my cousins dont have any money, my cougar days are over, and I have made my vows to this

rcs: That permission was necessary in Missouri as well

Ingrid_Doweary: lol

jhonora: Well, I am signing off. See y'all.

vicky: nite

Ingrid_Doweary: Nite

Sadonya: :)

Ingrid_Doweary: Nite all

vicky: guess I will look around and see what I can find nite all

Sadonya: night

rcs: good night all

Sadonya: night

18 Dec 2002 :: 1 Feb 2009
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