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2010-05-30* SunMornBrunchStart: 11:28:43
3rdhawkins: hey alt alt: Hello 3rdhawkins ..whas up? 3rdhawkins: nothing much, trying to gather all the records and information I have on my maternal family to give to my grandmother for her birthday alt: wonderful... when is her birthday? 3rdhawkins: in June, in about 2 or 3 wks alt: okay, a nice package would include, charts, copies of records & perhaps a family timeline.... can you do something like that with your software package? 3rdhawkins: I wanted to give her some indexes from census, but it's hard doing it horizontally. I don't know how to make it vertical where it will print out wide yeah, I can do that.... alt: I did a package for Anita's oldest sister 86 y/o. her ancestors & descendants charts, narratives, w/copies of census & other records and she will enjoys reading & re-reading it. will=really 3rdhawkins: how do you do the census? make copies alt: made copies of the printed pages from Ancestry. 3rdhawkins: oh, did it come out good? I did it from my computer, but the writing is too small alt: or rahter the image pages 3rdhawkins: oh, Ok, and you wrote the information in yourself? alt: I did the feature where you printed only the section you wanted. 3rdhawkins: oh, ok I might have to do that alt: she wasn't really concerned with the full image page, just the sections that showed her ancestors for any given censu year. she was on the 1930 page. 3rdhawkins: right, that's one thing to think about, especially given it to someone else, for me, I would rather have the hold thing, I like having everything right there in my face will I search on the computer hold-whole alt: yes, me too, but they don't know or really care about ED's and all ot the header inforamtion Khathu: good morning everyone alt: just their names & ages 3rdhawkins: that's true........even though I included it alt: Hello Khahtu 3rdhawkins: hello Khathu alt: the other parts to the package show all of the other 'stuff' they are interested in. the charts & narratives , especailly w/photos if you have them are you doing a descendant thing for her too? Seventies Soulchild: Hello 3rd, alt, Khathu alt: Hello Seventies Soulchild 3rdhawkins: yes I am, that is the main thing hello Seventies alt: they really enjoy that 3rdhawkins 3rdhawkins: alt, I am thinking about including the children of others, such as my great great grandfather's and my grgr grandmother's siblings, maybe not go in depth with their descendants, but just show other families...but that may be census or something Khathu: Hello Seventies 3rdhawkins: or a family group sheet alt: I took the package... about 50 pages to Office Max and had them put a cover on it... used a photo of her and her husband for the cover photo Khathu: That sounds nice alt: the more you have the better they like it 3rdhawkins Seventies Soulchild: Nice alt. 3rd are you making a family memorial booklet or something along those lines? 3rdhawkins: no, just something for my grandmother to give to her for her B-day Seventies Soulchild: I wish I had made plans for this weekend. . . alt: ancestor chart, descdant charts, narratives, cipoes of records (census, etc.) 3rdhawkins: alt, really? I might go to office max also alt: family group sheets .. just about anything your software package can generate.. put it in there Seventies Soulchild: does your software provide footnotes and references? 3rdhawkins: yes alt: the binder w/cover makes it really attractive & they don't have loose pages to keep up with and it is in some kind of order for them to follow yes, the narratives can include, notes, indexes & source references 3rdhawkins: I just feel bad that I couldn't find anything on her father so she'll just get her maternal family alt: you'll find something AFTER you finish and present her with the package LOL LOL 3rdhawkins: lol I know, right alt: you're in Joplin, right? how far into ARK will you have to go? 3rdhawkins: I'm in SW MO (Joplin), Hempstead Co. is SW AR near TX and LA alt: okay Khathu: Have a great everyone 3rdhawkins: you too Khathu alt: I used to drive thru Joplin on the way to OKC ..on I 44 Seventies Soulchild: I've got to get going too. Parents anniversary dinner today... alt: enjoy Seventies Soulchild Seventies Soulchild: I'm going to be marinating in red wine. . . 3rdhawkins: ok Seventies, bye have fun Seventies Soulchild: I will try. . . alt: how many years 3rdhawkins 3rdhawkins: you mean, for my grandmother? Seventies Soulchild: bye fellas alt: gone, I meeant for tha anniversary, but yes 3rdhawkins .. how old/young will your grandmother be? 3rdhawkins: 80 she just missed the census by about a couple of months alt: okay, my age then LOL I just turned 76 on the 11th of May your gift is great!!!! just wish my grandkids were interested in genealogy. 3rdhawkins: but she has already got to she her parents and siblings in 1930.........she has seen all of the census, so it won't be too much of a surprise she-see alt: well hello fairwinds, how have you been? 3rdhawkins: hello fairwinds fairwinds: hi! good- thanks and how have you two been? alt: how are ya fairwinds? fairwinds: Alt are you still in MD? alt: trying to stay out of trouble me, no I'm in OH fairwinds 3rdhawkins: doing good fairwinds fairwinds: oh, ok- whats good these days? alt: it'a all good LOL LOL fairwinds: gearing up here for Memorial Day protest at the cemetery alt: is this the Auburn cemetery? fairwinds: yep- I'm still at it alt: stay on it fairwinds fairwinds: until my last breath alt: wonderful.. it takes that kind of determination to get things accomplished fairwinds: hi jhonora 3rdhawkins: Hello Jhonora jhonora: Morning alt, 3td, fairwinds alt: hello jhonora, is school out? jhonora: Yeah, school has been out since first week of May fairwinds: yes- reunited quite a few families and helped with some local research alt: good man fairwinds: got it cleared, but the preservation part isthe biggest battle you mean good woman? xoxoxo alt: money and a sustained effort fairwinds: had the clearing done by the dept of corrections. More people should use this resource. alt: no that was to jhonora fairwinds,,, I know you're a good/great woman xoxoxo fairwinds: hahaha jhonora: Which cemetery are you preserving fairwinds? fairwinds: xoxoxo back atcha... alt: ty fairwinds fairwinds: Mt Auburn in Baltimore 3rdhawkins: hello Selma fairwinds: hi selma jhonora: Morning Selma alt: Hello Ms. Selma fairwinds: prisioners need something to do, what better cause than a cemetery clean up Selma: Good Sunday morning/afternoon everyone... jhonora: Is it a church cemetery? How old is it? alt: right, an article in today's paper mentione the help in prisoners... said they need something to do other than TV and playing cards. fairwinds: The "stewards" are a church. 1872 inception Selma: fairwinds...I was thinking about you, I think there was an article about Mt. Aubern in the Morgan STate University alumni journal fairwinds: Yes- I am sure of it-I saw it also Selma: Prisoners here do the mowing on our roads... Do you have a copy? fairwinds: Morgan's beginning ties are at rest in the cemetery yes jhonora: I've had prisoners to clean a cemetery i'm working on preserving. fairwinds: they are honestly helping to make a difference out there-the church though has other motivations, money and greed jhonora: Which denom.? alt: Selma, I gotta find the information for you on the desc. of a McCollough (sp) from Hampshire Co., VA that had an investment in Morgan State.. fairwinds: I spoke with Dr. Richardson before he left Morgan-they truly want to make it a part of the Museum Studies Department. Selma: Money investment fairwinds: it's all good as long as they keep the families best interest at heart. which is not happening now... all of the ground markers, (trees, large stones etc) have been removed. in alot of the burial descriptions it read like this "third marker from the pine tree" thoas are lost forever jhonora: Have you though of organizing a descendants society for the graveyard? Selma: jhonora..I found an article circa 1951...3 soldiers stationed at Ft. Eustis from New Orleans..they were military police in charge of patrolling Negro Town.. fairwinds: yes- we have a families division that now speaks on behalf of some 80+ families jhonora: Really, Selma, what were their names? fairwinds, do you all have a website? alt: fairwinds has not left many, if any 'bases' untouched fairwinds: preservationalliance.net alt: wb 3rd fairwinds: thanks alt, its been a long hard fight to do the right thing 3rdhawkins: oops, not what I meant to push fairwinds: 3rdhawkins: Let me go, have a lot of work to do....also cleaning and cooking fairwinds: site is a little out behind-concentrating more on the battle field" then cyberspace alt: take care 3rdhawkins , congrats on Grandma's birthday gift jhonora: You probably have thought of it, but if there are any CW vets, having a Veterans Day ceremony with the local SUVCW can draw publiciity Selma: Let me see if I can find the article... fairwinds: We invited the Parks Service out about 5 years ago due to the number of sevice members there. Theyhave been coming out on Memorial Day ever since... vicky: hello! jhonora: Morning vicky fairwinds: Hi vicky! alt: vicky, hi....thought you would be at a track meet, or was that yesterday? jhonora: Fairwinds, y'all are on the ball! fairwinds: hi Angela! AYWalton: Good afternoon, all. alt: Hello AYWalton jhonora: Morning AYWalton AYWalton: Hello alt, fairwinds, Selma, Ms. Vicky, Hey hey hey, it's honoray! howdy jhonora vicky: it is today also but tyler is not running fairwinds: A- are you coming out for the AAGHS picnic? AYWalton: probably so---if the weather is good. alt: told ya jhonora... fairwinds has left no bases uncoverd, she is on Da Case!!!! bigtime!!! AYWalton: if you are speaking about hte BAAGHS picnic on Saturday. fairwinds: it'll bee good to see you there yes-that one on the 5th vicky: I was there last night until almost 9pm alt AYWalton: likewise, fairwinds. Selma: Grandma duty.. LOL alt: hehehehehe @vicky.. A grandma's gotta do what a grandma's gotta di Selma: I gots the little angels here... LOL BRB AYWalton: how old are they, Selma? vicky: Hi finished 5th alt. He said he got tired so he slowed down a step or two lol fairwinds: Selma-did you find the article? vicky: sel is off line right now alt: ain't that what you're supposed to do when you get tired.. slow down LOL fairwinds: lol @ alt jhonora: One more thing, fairwinds, the UM's have an excellent system of archives and hist. societies. Has the national level been of any help? vicky: yep, lol he is a smart kid AYWalton: what areas are you researching, fairwinds--are you a Maryland researcher mostly? as you know most folks are MD/VA in the chapter. I am lone soul west of the Mississippi. jhonora: We think of ourselves as the better half. alt: hello trisha fairwinds: Yes- to some degree- the "stewards" were receiveing National money for a Cold Storage House on the cemetery grounds. But, much to our dismay they let it collaspe trisha: morning everyone vicky: 'hello trisha! jhonora: Morning trisha fairwinds: yes- a- md/va alt: money is a BIG problem with restoration and preservation fairwinds especially when it comes to AA projects AYWalton: which cemetery, fairwinds--sounds like Mt. Auburn. vicky: MT Auburn AY fairwinds: Absolutely, but here there are private funds available, but not as long as the church is involved. they have wasted millions in donatoins over the last 20 years jhonora: How is their archival center, fairwinds, much of anything?? fairwinds: Yes, one in the same alt: exactly fairwinds AYWalton: anyway to get the cemetery away from Sharp Street? I would think that they would welcome the relief. It is in such sad condition. fairwinds: We were able to move some of the records down here from Schomberg in NY to the Pratt Free Library on Cathedral Street- can't tell you how many families have been reunited from these vicky: hello keli1 alt: hello keli1.. whas up? jhonora: On their website, they claim to have Saturday clean-ups and all. They don't even link to your site. keli1: good afternoon, hope all is well trisha: hey Keli vicky: fairwinds how did the documentary turn out? fairwinds: been to the BW Methodist Conference to try to do just that- I will never give up! I hope to see it incorporated in the AA experience in Balto or at the least have Morgan oversee it keli1: If anyone gets a chance to look at the 1900 census, Richmond VA for Christopher Baker, b. 1860, wife Martha, tell me what you see as his occupation, I am trying to figure it out. thanks fairwinds: the trailer is up on you tube-PBS has picked it up locally-we are reaching out to HBO AYWalton: hey there, Keli1! didn't see you slip in--I had stepped away from the computer. keli1: howdy Angela... fairwinds: j-they don't even acknowledge us-we have been at odds from the beginning-we are fighting as families to do the right thing, the church is looking solely at it for profit. AYWalton: that is wonderful to hear about the families getting info from the Schomburg records. alt: what do you think the occupation is keli1? AYWalton: are burials still going on at Mt. Auburn? fairwinds: you read my mind- A keli1: he worked at a medical college, I am seeing super(visor) ??, Hall alt: okay fairwinds: 6 in the most recent months-There is still NO map telling or showing where anyone has been buried keli1: but just can't get it...it is one of those challenges AYWalton: taking a look at the census keli1 alt: keli1, Robert Goins is getting quite excited about his findings in Belmont Co., OH, huh? keli1: he is well known in the Richmond area, they are now trying to determine if he was the child of an enslaved couple, since there was a slave owner with the same name. AYWalton: He was superintendant of Secting Hall. keli1: yes he is, I am excited for him!!! fairwinds: disgraceful! we will be looking to file an injunction in the coming months-that should force them to produce a viable map (which we know does not exist) and stop the burials AYWalton: Did he work at a college keli1? keli1: yes it was a medical college AY! AYWalton: there was probably a building with that name, Secting or Sector, or something similar. keli1: Secting was what I pieced but just not sure, it is not connecting to anything yet. fairwinds: A-any Baltimore support is welcome or anywhere else too, for that matter :0 Selma: What medical college was that? AYWalton: and the last word is Hall---look at the H in Hughes on the bottom of the page---same crazy "H". Something called Sector's Hall or Sexton's Hall probably on the campus. a near neighbor was a janitor at the college (or some college) and he probably was the Super or head of a staff at the Hall---which might have been a residence of some sort. keli1: might be supervisor of section hall, it is now MVC I think Selma, his son also worked there as well, John Baker. I just received several write ups about him Selma: AY I mailed you the inntro to the FB Index book...and the section with the info you are interested in. trisha: I am trying to find family for a Lillian Wesley Lee married to Howard Nathaniel Lee. She was born in Savannah GA in 1936, Howard was born in Lithonia, GA in 1934. Lillian's parents are: Earline Hagood Wesley (married to Sumpter Wesley), Earline's parents are: Walter Hagood and Sarah Villard Hagood...any info, dates would be appreciated fairwinds: hi Dru ProfessorDru: howdy brunch gang AYWalton: filing an injunction will be the way to go, fairwinds. jhonora: Morning ProfessorDru keli1: hello Pro..Dru! trisha: Hello ProfessorDru Selma: Hi Dru and trisha AYWalton: Fairwinds have you considered keeping a blog about the conditions at Mt. Auburn. You have TONS of data on it and blog would be great! ProfessorDru is in da house!!! Selma: Jeez jhonora..had the article last week when I thought you were going to be in the room..will have to find it again. AYWalton: I have to run out shortly to try to find the FT Magazine August issue---so I can see the article Dru and Keil1 were telling me about. fairwinds: Though about it-not sure if I could keep up with it... keli1: Congrats to you Angela for being recognized in the current issue of the Famiy Tree Magazine. AYWalton: thanks keli1, I still have to get a copy. I did go and renew my subscription that had expired. jhonora: fairwinds, if you go to the Methodist conf. bishop or national leaders an really push the "deplorable" conditions of the "souls' resting places." It should work, never failed me, sell 'em on the souls part. trisha: Fairwinds, the cemetery where my father is buried was a total disgrace. We would clean our section and other areas. We appealed to our city council and the city has taken it over, it is so pristine. keli1: i never see them on the stands, so I subscribed, if you don't find one, let me know, I will be glad to send you mine AYWalton: that is a great strategy, jhonora. I see them at Barnes & Nobles usually. fairwinds: failed here - J- been to them 3 times-but never gonna stop putting it intheir face-they need to see it for what it is trisha: Where there was neglect, families came out the day it was cut and cleaned, nd started putting flowers onthe graves...it was amazing. AYWalton: Oh fairwinds----jhonora has a good point----AND I would also write a personal letter to Bishop Johnatha Keaton. He is the first Afr. Am. Bishop of the United Methodist Church. fairwinds: trisha- there are 34 acres that have been virtually cleared since I began this 6 years ago- AYWalton: He grew up in my hometown, and though he went to Catholic Schools---his family were loyal methodists, and he is a great person, I think who might take a personal interest in the case. alt: fairwinds has been running into a money thing about /property/ and not doing the right thinr AYWalton: I have to find out where he is based. trisha: I did some editorials to our paper discussing the deplorable state of the cemetery nd the Mayor of the city emailed me. Subsequently my city councilman became involved and I was appointed to the city's cemetery committee. fairwinds: A- I will try to see him-He was on the list but for later- Bishop Jonathan Keaton, thank you politics are deeply rooted in this preservation mission, unfortunately vicky: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhWZ3_WMSFU&feature=related AYWalton: I will try to get some local (Arkansas) points to put into the letter. He attended Philander Smith College in Little Rock, an HBCU, and a Methodist College. If you write you local bishop for MD, AND to Keaton, you might get some results. (and file the injunction) trisha: like in lot of things in life fairwinds...unfortunately Selma: I gotta run folks...Have a great day vicky: fairwind is this the one fairwinds: Morgan's involvement has helped, I must admit AYWalton: wathing the video right now. jhonora: AY, there have been Afr.Am. UM bishops since 1858 keli1: I saw a documentary on An Old Negro Burial cemetery in Richmond, where they believe the first enslaved of Virginia were buried-hwy 95 is over it and it was just paved, they been trying for a few years to get it recognized AYWalton: I will put that out on Twitter for several hundred folks to see, fairwinds. keli1: Me too trisha: well folks I gotta run. You all have great day. fairwinds: Keli, we had that done here also, Rt 1-right down the middle of our cemetery alt: fairwinds, is one of the problems the church stewards fear is that it wil be at their expense to maintain the proerty once the renovation/preservation aspect of the property is finished? fairwinds: That is a good idea-Angela- alt: and they are more interested in the 'value' of the proerty as property and not so much a cemetery fairwinds: No, if that was all, we gave them a solution for that. With the monies that would be coming into the cemetery fund. Creating a perpetual trust would take care of that jhonora: Are they still burying there fairwinds, maybe they don't want to loose income. fairwinds: the stewards are only interested in "lining there pockets" just like before yes- 6 in the most recent months alt: it does sound political & financial fairwinds: when I wanted to bury my creamated aunt there they wanted $1600- and could not give me an account of what that money would ne used for crooks- unfortunately, the word that frequently comes to mind-church people are human too- keli1: called Meet me in the Bottom: The Struggle to Reclaim Richmond's African burial ground fairwinds: I will take a look at that Keli- thanks keli1: it was used from about 1750 to 1816 vicky: I have to run also..Time for Church alt: laters vicky AYWalton: am I back in the room? keli1: I need to get back to my school stuff, enjoy your day.. fairwinds: yes keli1: yes you are back AYWalton: ok---I was in a room by myself, I think. fairwinds: take care, keli AYWalton: the system was acting up. alt: fairwinds is unfortunately involved in a 'power struggle' and the church gas the upper hand .. legally. or at least this particular congreagation AYWalton: the winning hand will be through the public humiliation, fairwinds is fighting a moral battle. alt: lets hope so AYWalton jhonora: I don't know if you answered this, but is their archival center of any help? AYWalton: they should either do what should be done OR----relinquish their contorol. alt: power is not given up easily. fairwinds: hopefully, not for long, alt-Angela is right-morality is at stake and to preserve and restore this cemetery is the absolutely right think to do. this is God's path... AYWalton: quite true! alt: oh, I understand completely fairwinds fairwinds: j- the church still has some records that they refuse to release of let anyone see and charge $25 per inquiry-what we were able to bring here from Schomberg are the only free records available AYWalton: I have to run, folks. Best wishes fairwinds, and hope to see you on Saturday. alt: laters WAlton-Raji fairwinds: see you there, Angela- take care jhonora: The cemetery I'm working on has one congregation which was merged after katrina and another with an 80+ old preacher. All I've been able to do is have the prisoners cut the grass. fairwinds: are you in NOLA jhonora: Yes, fairwinds. fairwinds: I have been there many times and have visited many of the cemeteries there- So peaceful and beautiful! ProfessorDru: gotta go fairwinds: by Dru! alt: laters ProfessorDru fairwinds: me too, Alt-great to see you jere\ alt: my turn to split... laters y'all fairwinds: me to- take care jhonora- great talking with you! jhonora: Bye y'all |
it may take a trip to AR which I can't do right now
